A very simple and easy to understand explanation of why climate change is REAL.

So, NASA tortures numbers until they confess is basically what you're saying?

 

Nope. Not what Ive said at all. Just need to see the valid data is all. Is there a reason you cant supply me with even the most remedial form of your data that you claim is fact? We havent even gotten into background subtractions yet much less the real meat of the data. Can you even tell me if any measurements were taken from the fantail of a ship?

 

Oh, so it's me you want to argue with and you're not interested in the science itself at all?

You mean these: https://oco.jpl.nasa.gov/
https://airs.jpl.nasa.gov/

 

Theres no argument. Im waiting to see your valid data is all thats happening here. Im very interested in Science, thats why Im wondering when the last time you maintained your orbiting sattellite was and how you ensured it remained calibrated during the forces applied to it during launch. Do you have those records? Or are you going to flip the chessboard over and storm away wanting me to just believe your charts?

 

I was reminded, just today of the variability of weather. For so many US cities this April will have been the coldest month for those cities ever. Lowest average temps, record number of minimum high temps. All the hallmarks of variable weather.

 

Not by much. At least I respect actual scientists...you seem to have no respect for your fellow scientists.

What is your field by the way

 

A little longer term look at "climate".

 

Thats incorrect. Scientists love their data being verified by second source entity. Sorry personal information is not being given....but nice try.

 

Ah, you ask too much of me. I admit, I am but one, frail person. Touche!

This is just a game to you? And you don't believe that NASA site has credibility?

 

So let's see...you want calibration data on all NASA satellites and ground measurement stations. That would be hundreds.

And you're claim is that unless you can personally see these records...warming isn't occurring.

Sure. That's reasonable

 

please stop implying I think things that Ive not said. Its a forum violation. I believe people that supply valid data have credability. Until they do I cant say they do or dont have credability. Ill believe any data that is collected and verified under GLP procedures.

 

Yes I want access to all of the records. Ill then randomize them and audit a certain percentage at 100%. Ill then submit a report outlining any deficiencies and await the corrective actions by the responsible parties.
Yes until I see that your data is valid, manmade warming data is qualitative NOT quantitative. That means its interesting to talk about....like saying this is whats at the edge of the universe.....but nothing more. Back in the 70s my home town was supposed to be underwater by now....surprise...the town boat ramp hasnt changed an inch in 40 years. It appears that data was wrong.

 

Um...

What am I actually implying?

Is NASA a credible source or not (GLP procedures and all)?

 

Thats what Im asking. You are about to demonstrate whether they are or arent. Its not my job to legwork your scientific claims. Its yours. If you cant thats fine, but dont tell us its valid because it simply isnt until you prove it.

 

I always try to separate the "data" from the assertions/conclusions. Data is simply that. Data. It was 72 today, it was 64 yesterday.. That is data.

The problem is that "data" is then "inferred" or otherwise "guessed at" when folks do reanalysis or other techniques that attempt to insert a data record in the absence of an actual collection of the data. Kind of like what most of the agencies are doing today, "constructing" data based on some models of what they assume create accurate guesses of what the temperatures in locations that don't actually have collections might be. Of course, from this data, we have seen that it is remarkably inaccurate.

Which also then creates an integrity problem for the conclusions or assertions based on that data.

 

I didn't know so many people dismissed NASA.

 

Correct. And what did the latest ARGO instrument payload say about the data collected from several decades ago?

Also, I'm not the one who injected ARGO into this thread. That was done in post #352 with the claim that ARGO proves the oceans are cooling which you and anyone can see is false.

 

First, do you even believe any of this data? If not then you can ignore point #2 below because you won't believe that either.

Second, now what happens when you add in the remaining 170 years worth of data from 1850 to present? You guessed it. That blue line shoots up past the Medieval Warm Period continues past the Roman Warm Period and even eclipses the Minoan Warm Period. You just presented a chart that shows we are currently warmer now than at any time in at least the last 10,000 years and likely much longer than that since we were in an ice age more than 10,000 years ago.

And just so you don't think I'm blowing smoke. I want you to download the data yourself here. Note that "years before now" in the chart you posted (which I happen to acknowledge is real bona-fide quality data) means 1950 and that this dataset ends at around 1850.

 

Correct. Guesses are not facts they are simply qualitative.

 

The global carbon project is a pretty good source. They have all of the data freely available and well cited with cross references to the peer reviewed literature discussing the data.

Chapter 6 of the IPCC AR5 report has a lot of this information as well. Note the ~750 citations at the bottom. All of it's there for you to go over with a fine toothed comb if you desire.

 

Actually, Argo didn't show warming so was adjusted to show warming.

 

no thanks, Ill just have uou go through it and give me the information I asked for. Its not my job to legwork your science, its yours.
Name of person and credentials of who took your first measurement. Pretty please.

 

Charles Darwin. His credentials, well... He was some dude.

Died in 1882 though, he's kinda' outdated. But alas people are still denying evolution even in light of the growing mountain of evidence that supports evolution -I mean Global Warming.

Clutching at straws they are.

 

At this point, you have flipped the checker board over in response to being politely asked to back up your data. Thanks for playing. **Throws another global warmer on the cant back up their claim heap**

 

the Earth is warming.

no one denies this