AATIP DOD 'Executive Summary' report tells of extraordinary physics

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Based on the reportage from AATIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program) there is compelling evidence for extraordinary physics

    https://media.lasvegasnow.com/nxsglobal/lasvegasnow/document_dev/2018/05/18/TIC TAC UFO EXECUTIVE REPORT_1526682843046_42960218_ver1.0.pdf

    this is the important part, page one ( note: document is in the public domain per licensing commons stated on wikimedia) (Paragraphing added for easier reading)

    During the period of approximately 10-16 November 2004, the Nimitz Carrier Strike
    group (CSG) was operating off the western coast of the United States in preparation for their deployment to the Arabian Sea. The USS Princeton on several occasions detected multiple Anomalous Aerial Vehicles (AAVs) operating in and around the vicinity of the CSG. The AAVs would descend "very rapidly" from approximately 60,000 feet down to approximately 50 feet in a matter of seconds. They would then hover or stay stationary on the radar for a short time and depart at high velocities and turn rates.

    On 14 November after again detecting the AAV, the USS Princeton took the opportunity of having a flight of two F/A-18Fs returning from a training mission to further investigate the AAV. The USS Princeton took over control of the F/A-18s from the E-2 Airborne Warning aircraft and vectored in the F/A-18s for intercept leading to visual contact approximately one mile away from the AAV, which was reported to be "an elongated egg or 'Tic Tac' shape with discernable midline horizontal axis." It was "solid white, smooth, with no edges. It was uniformly colored with no nacells, pylons, or wings". It was approximately 46 feet in length.

    The F/A-18F's radar could not obtain a 'lock' on the AVV: however, It could be tracked while stationary and at slower speeds with the Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR).
    The AAV did take evasis actions upon intercept by the F/A-18 demonstrating an advanced acceleration (G), aerodynamic, and propulsion capability.

    The AAV did not take any offensive action against the CSG; however, given its ability to operate unchallenged in close vicinity to the CSG it demonstrated the potential to conduct undetected reconnaissance leaving the CSG with a limited ability to detect, track, and/or engage the AAV.

    Key Assessments
    - The Anomalous Aerial Vehicle (AAV) was no known aircraft or air vehicle
    - The AAV exhibited advanced low observable characteristics at multiple radar
    bands rendering US radar based engagement capabilities ineffective.
    - The AAV exhibited advanced aerodynamic performance with no visible
    control surfaces and no visible means of lift.
    - The AAV exhibited advanced propulsion capability by demonstrating the
    ability to remain stationary with little or no variation in altitude transitioning
    to horizontal and/or vertical velocities far greater than any known aerial vehicle
    with little or no visible signature
    - The AAV possibility demonstrated the ability to 'cloak' or become invisible to
    human eye or human observation
    - The AAV possibly demonstrated a highly advanced capability to operate undersea
    completely undetectable by our most advanced sensors.



    The above document, not quite as visible, in the source below confirms that it is an DOD document prepared by AATIP (Advanced Aerial Threat Identification Program) --scroll down to the 'licensing' section:

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/...TIVE_REPORT_1526682843046_42960218_ver1.0.pdf

    So, the question is, could this document be forged? the source of the Document is a Las Vegas News8 TV show

    https://www.8newsnow.com/news/i-team-exclusive-confidential-report-analyzes-tic-tac-ufo-incidents/

    Per Channel 8 news Las Vegas:

    Elizondo is not authorized to release such information, but the I-Team obtained some of it anyway. Earlier this year, we made a whirlwind trip to Washington for a debriefing arranged by former Senator Harry Reid. While in D.C., the I-Team obtained copies of unclassified documents related to the UFO encounters, including the Tic Tac. The analysis was compiled in 2009 with input from multiple agencies. It confirms the Nimitz group had several interactions with AAV’s, Anomalous Aerial Vehicles.
     
  2. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    It could be a planned leak release. They gotta keep this stuff in the news and remind us that this is real. A counter to the attacks of the skeptics.
     
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    Who is "they?"

    And why do they want us to not stop believing that it's real?
     
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    The hidden underbelly of the government, military, and intelligence agencies who have covered this up, but then recently had a change of heart.
     
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    Given that the speed of sound is 1200fps, that would be more like a 50 seconds of descent to stay under that speed while descending 60,000' even if 0 forward progress were involved.

    So, it had to be breaking the sound barrier in a major way.

    Was there a sonic boom?
     
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    We couldn't detect it (any of the various "it's" they couldn't detect).

    So, obviously it must have a cloaking device.

    I like that!!
     
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    That doesn't answer the "why" part of the question.
     
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    Because society is heading for collapse. And the technologies needed to save us are going to answer the question of whether we're alone in the universe or not.

    And, many people are not ready for this. We can't have people dropping dead in the street from a heart attack brought on by the sudden realization that aliens are real.

    And, to ease the transition, people are going to be eased into being prepared for that knowledge. And that can't happen if the narrative gets dropped by the next news cycle. Instead, there needs to be a steady drum-beat of progress towards that goal.
     
  9. Patricio Da Silva

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    That was based on Fravor's testimony that it disappeared in front of his eyes.

    It's not far fetched, we have cloaking technology, eh?
     
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    What do we have that behaves like cloaking technology?
     
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    My my, WillReadmore, there are tons of articles on the subject on a range of methods. Surely I thought you'd have heard something about it. Anyway, nothing is perfect, but it's getting pretty darn close.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/09/170913104506.htm
    https://www.thedefensepost.com/2021/06/23/israeli-camouflage-soldiers-invisible/
    https://interestingengineering.com/invisibility-cloaks-are-no-longer-just-science-fiction
    https://www.armytimes.com/news/your...igued-by-breakthrough-in-cloaking-technology/
    https://science.howstuffworks.com/invisibility-cloak.htm
     
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    Cool stuff!

    I should have remembered the camouflage direction - I hadn't heard that called "cloaking".

    This is a constant battle. We were pretty proud of the "stealth" of the Nighthawk, but one of those was shot down by Yugoslavia. While that was in the past, so was the detection equipment and rocketry that made that shootdown possible.

    As one of those articles points out, a common airborne scenario is when the "cloaked" craft is in front of the detector technology. That's a case where the materials covering the plane aren't protection against the heat plumes of the engines. And, in general that angle of view of any of the surfaces is a significant factor.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I found this on the CIA website, your thoughts?

    https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000015340.pdf
    MEMORANDUM FOR: Director of Central Intelligence
    THRU : Deputy Director of Intelligence
    SUBJECT : Unidentified Flying Objects
    (4)...At this time, the reports of incidents convince us that there is something going on that must have immediate attention.
    The details of some of these incidents have been discussed with AC/SI and with [unintelligible type],
    Sightings of unexplained objects at great altitudes and travelling at high speeds in the vicinity of major U.S. defense installations
    are of such nature that they are not attributable to natural phenomena or known types of aerial vehicles.

    (signature of H.M Chadwell)
    Assistent Director
    Scientific Intelligence


    The point is, for the last 50 years, there are mountains of interagency memos on the subject, pro and con, sightings of 'credible observations by relatively incredible things' (---Gen Samford, press conference, 1951). Mostly con, but there a number that are pro, from credible sources.

    You'd think that, if all they were were pedestrian objects, so much traffic, not to mention millions of taxpayer dollars spent. hiring of scientists, engineers, military personal researching the subject, that if all they were were ordinary things, all of this would not have occurred.

    It's similar to the proposition of Jesus Christ, without reference to religious belief, looking at it agnostically, that, given the monumental available ANECDOTAL evidence, we can safely presume he existed, once upon a time, and similarly, presume the existence of aerial vehicles that defy explanation.
     
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    I don't accept that the question of Jesus being an actual human on Earth is at all the same as claiming there are aliens flying around Earth.

    I'm fine with our government spending huge sums on trying to determine the cause of the events they detect. There are other areas of our defense spending that are far worse than that.
     
  15. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Who said anything about aliens?

    "aerial vehicles that defy explanation'' was the claim, which could easily be a US Military black project.

    You keep doing that, and you should stop it.
     
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    I don't believe that craft would break physics by accident.

    So, I don't know what choices there are other than observational errors, secret technology created by opposing forces, or aliens.
     

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