Abbas admits 1947 rejection of Jewish state a huge mistake

I do have issues with Islamic States.and the minute they plant themselves on another country's land and start building settlements and trying to steal that land, while penning the rightful owners up in ghettos and bantustans and oppressing them...I will say much the same about them as I now say about Israel.

 

Once more you pretend that Jews just took over the Palestinian Territories one day rather than deal with facts.

FACT: Israel came about as a result of the efforts by European Nations to extinguish them and the post WWII collective guilt of the victors of that war.

FACT: Israel comprises less than 1% of the land in the Middle East; yet for the Jew haters that is too much.

FACT: There never was a Palestine nation any more than the State of Jordan, the State of Iraq and Syria were a creation of European Imperialism. Pretending Jews don't have the same rights as Arabs won't make the idiot tome of the terrorist sympathizers any more credible.

Carry on.

 

Fact: the Palestinians should never have been forced to pay for the sins of Hitler.

Fact: The Jews should buy land not steal it at gun point.

Fact: Palestine has existed since 500 BC as a province of Syria.

Fact: As many as 85% of Palestinians are descended from first century Jewish farmers who didn't leave.

Fact: Palestinians have always been there.. they were called Jews, Canaanites, Gentiles and goyim.

 

They could always swap that 1% and increase it to 5% by moving to the Sinai desert. Surely that must be a good idea to you since you think that the size of the area is the important factor

 

Sinai has belonged to Egypt since Exodus.

 

It is funny that so many on the Israeli side do not understand this point. They seem to think that the ancestors of the current Palestinians suddenly appeared from nowhere

 

I know, but my point was about the type of land that Israel has been so kindly allocated. 1% of prime agricultural land is worth hundred times that of a desert; until that is, if oil is discovered - then they just get invaded.

 

FACT - The United Nations only granted Israel those lands set out in the 1947 Partition. It has reluctantly recognized the 1948 borders and in 1967 recognized the rights and obligations of Israel as a conqueror of the Sinai (now returned to Egypt), the Golan Heights (still in dispute with Syria) and the West Bank and Gaza Strip (which has somehow dragged on for 44 years).

FACT - There is apparently no room for the Palestinians in the West Bank, as far as an increasing percentage of Israelis are concerned. Nearly all of the Palestinians living there are descended from families that lived there for hundreds of years and telling them they don't have a right to live in their ancestral homeland is just wrong. Government sanctioned settlement and illegal settlement is slow motion eviction of the Palestinians from what remains of their lands.

FACT - getting hung up on national labels (Palestine, Iraq, Jordan) obscures the fact THAT THE PEOPLE LIVING THERE WERE LIVING THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME Truth-Detector is using the same argument that justified crushing the Native American tribes (no legal status, so no land ownership). Iraq in particular is a bad example, as central Iraq has had civilizations existing there that were recognized as nations for a very long time.

FACT - All Arabs are not the same, just as all Europeans are not the same. Truth-Detector is implying a massive lie by lumping all Arabs together. Would it be all right for Israel to re-locate to Belgium and evict all the Belgians, on the grounds that the Israelis need a safer homeland and there is plenty of Europe for the Belgians to move to?

 

Fact: they weren't. This is another complete idiot fabrication pretending that Palestinians were part of some nation.

Fact: they didn't steal it. This is another fabrication and terrorist lie spewed by the uninformed to promote ignorance. The land owned by Jews is bought and paid for and the land given up by the Arabs who believed the lies of their leaders in the belief that they could destroy the Jewish nation will never be returned.

Fact: another laughable fabrication; there never was a Palestine. The land currently occupied has been under different occupations as far back as 500 BC and when the Jewish State was created under the Imperial “protection” of the British Empire and known merely as "territories."

So what; is there a point to this pointless rant?

Fact: Palestinians are still there and the ones living in Israel are far better off than the ones living under Arab rule.

Carry on; it is obvious you do not have a coherent grasp of the facts and the point that Israel occupies less than 1% of the land in the Middle East. The notion that Arabs cannot provide a home for their own in the remaining 99% requires willful ignorance; the notion that the ONLY acceptable outcome is the destruction of the Jewish state, nothing more than anti-Semitic babble and genocide.

History lesson for those who willfully remain clueless:

The Jewish Kingdoms of Ancient Judah and Israel
The archeological record indicates that the Jewish people evolved out of native Cana'anite peoples and invading tribes. Some time between about 1800 and 1500 B.C., it is thought that a Semitic people called Hebrews (hapiru) left Mesopotamia and settled in Canaan. Canaan was settled by different tribes including Semitic peoples, Hittites, and later Philistines, peoples of the sea who are thought to have arrived from Mycenae, or to be part of the ancient Greek peoples that also settled Mycenae.

According to the Bible, Moses led the Israelites, or a portion of them, out of Egypt. Under Joshua, they conquered the tribes and city states of Canaan. Based on biblical traditions, it is estimated that king David conquered Jerusalem about 1000 B.C. and established an Israelite kingdom over much of Canaan including parts of Transjordan. The kingdom was divided into Judea in the south and Israel in the north following the death of David's son, Solomon. Jerusalem remained the center of Jewish sovereignty and of Jewish worship whenever the Jews exercised sovereignty over the country in the subsequent period, up to the Jewish revolt in 133 AD.

The Assyrians conquered Israel in 722 or 721 B.C. The Babylonians conquered Judea or Judah around 586 B.C. They destroyed Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem, and exiled a large number of Jews. About 50 years later, the Persian king Cyrus conquered Babylonia. Cyrus allowed a group of Jews from Babylonia to rebuild Jerusalem and settle in it. However, a large number of Jews remained in Babylonia, forming the first Jewish Diaspora. After the reestablishment of a Jewish state or protectorate, the Babylonian exiles maintained contact with authorities there. The Persians ruled the land from about 530 to 331 B.C. Alexander the Great then conquered the Persian Empire. After Alexander's death in 323 B.C., his generals divided the empire. One of these generals, Seleucus, founded a dynasty that gained control of much of Palestine about 200 B.C. At first, the new rulers, called Seleucids, allowed the practice of Judaism. But later, one of the kings, Antiochus IV, tried to prohibit it. In 167 B.C., the Jews revolted under the leadership of the Maccabeans and either drove the Seleucids out of Palestine or at least established a large degree of autonomy, forming a kingdom with its capital in Jerusalem. The kingdom received Roman "protection" when Judah Maccabee was made a "friend of the Roman senate and people" in 164 B.C. according to the records of Roman historians.

Palestine From Roman to Ottoman Rule
About 61 B.C., Roman troops under Pompei invaded Judea and sacked Jerusalem in support of King Herod. Judea had become a client state of Rome. Initially it was ruled by the client Herodian dynasty. The land was divided into districts of Judea, Galilee, Peraea and a small trans-Jordanian section, each of which eventually came under direct Roman control. The Romans called the large central area of the land, which included Jerusalem, Judea. According to Christian belief, Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem, Judea, in the early years of Roman rule. Roman rulers put down Jewish revolts in about A.D. 70 and A.D. 132. In A.D. 135, the Romans drove the Jews out of Jerusalem, following the failed Bar Kochba revolt. The Romans named the area Palaestina, at about this time. The name Palaestina, which became Palestine in English, is derived from Herodotus, who used the term Palaistine Syria to refer to the entire southern part of Syria, meaning "Philistine Syria." Most of the Jews who continued to practice their religion fled or were forcibly exiled from Palestine, eventually forming a second Jewish Diaspora. However, Jewish communities continued to exist, primarily in the Galilee, the northernmost part of Palestine. Palestine was governed by the Roman Empire until the fourth century A.D. (300's) and then by the Byzantine Empire. In time, Christianity spread to most of Palestine. The population consisted of Jewish converts to Christianity and paganism, peoples imported by the Romans, and others who had probably inhabited Palestine continuously.

During the seventh century (A.D. 600's), Muslim Arab armies moved north from Arabia to conquer most of the Middle East, including Palestine. Jerusalem was conquered about 638 by the Caliph Umar (Omar) who gave his protection to its inhabitants. Muslim powers controlled the region until the early 1900's. The rulers allowed Christians and Jews to keep their religions. However, most of the local population gradually accepted Islam and the Arab-Islamic culture of their rulers. Jerusalem (Al-Quds) became holy to Muslims as the site where, according to tradition, Muhammad ascended to heaven after a miraculous overnight ride from Mecca on his horse Al-Buraq. The al-Aqsa mosque was built on the site generally regarded as the area of the Jewish temples.

The Seljuk Turks conquered Jerusalem in 1071, but their rule in Palestine lasted less than 30 years. Initially they were replaced by the Fatimid rulers of Egypt. The Fatimids took advantage of the Seljuk struggles with the Christian crusaders. They made an alliance with the crusaders in 1098 and captured Jerusalem, Jaffa and other parts of Palestine.

The Crusaders, however, broke the alliance and invaded Palestine about a year later. They captured Jaffa and Jerusalem in 1099, slaughtered many Jewish and Muslim defenders and forbade Jews to live in Jerusalem. They held the city until 1187. In that year, the Muslim ruler Saladin conquered Jerusalem. The Crusaders then held a smaller and smaller area along the coast of Palestine, under treaty with Saladin. However, they broke the treaty with Saladin and later treaties. Crusade after crusade tried to recapture Jerusalem, but they were unable to do so for more than a brief period.

The Crusaders left Palestine for good when the Muslims captured Acre in 1291. During the post-crusade period, crusaders often raided the coast of Palestine. To deny the Crusaders gains from these raids, the Muslims pulled their people back from the coasts and destroyed coastal towns and farms. This depopulated and impoverished the coast of Palestine for hundreds of years.

In the mid-1200's, Mamelukes, originally soldier-slaves of the Arabs based in Egypt, established an empire that in time included the area of Palestine. Arab-speaking Muslims made up most of the population of the area once called Palestine. Beginning in the late 1300's, Jews from Spain and other Mediterranean lands settled in Jerusalem and other parts of the land. The Ottoman Empire defeated the Mamelukes in 1517, and Palestine became part of the Ottoman Empire. The Turkish Sultan invited Jews fleeing the Spanish Catholic inquisition to settle in the Turkish empire, including several cities in Palestine.

In 1798, Napoleon entered the land. The war with Napoleon and subsequent misadministration by Egyptian and Ottoman rulers, reduced the population of Palestine. Arabs and Jews fled to safer and more prosperous lands. Revolts by Palestinian Arabs against Egyptian and Ottoman rule at this time may have helped to catalyze Palestinian national feeling. Subsequent reorganization and opening of the Turkish Empire to foreigners restored some order. They also allowed the beginnings of Jewish settlement under various Zionist and proto-Zionist movements. Both Arab and Jewish population increased. By 1880, about 24,000 Jews were living in Palestine, out of a population of about 400,000. At about that time, the Ottoman government imposed severe restrictions on Jewish immigration and land purchase, and also began actively soliciting inviting Muslims from other parts of the Ottoman empire to settle in Palestine, including Circassians and Bosnians. The restrictions were evaded in various ways by Jews seeking to colonize Palestine, chiefly by bribery.

 

Originally Posted by Truth Detector

FACT: Israel comprises less than 1% of the land in the Middle East; yet for the Jew haters that is too much.

Why should they; because you say so? What an assinine argument.

 

Your point was asinine.

 

Is there a point to this rant? Or do you wish to pretend that when three Arab legions assaulted the tiny Jewish Nation intent on her destruction and Israel threw them back that Israel, who was left to her own by the vaunted UN which created the tiny nation, should then give back that which it conquered and uses as a buffer against future attacks?

Only a moron would make such an asinine argument; something we expect from terrorists and their sympathizers I might add.

Another laughably stupid argument that farcically claims that there is nowhere else for the Palestinians in the remaining 99% of Arab lands to live.

Jordan was 100% part of Palestine and filled with Palestinians; why don't Jordan partition off a portion of former Palestinian territory for the creation of Palestine? Why was it that the King of Jordan who was a creation of European Imperialists, kicked out Arafat and his merry band of terrorists and banned him from Jordan?

Once again you pretend that they aren't still living there or that Jews have not been a part of the land for several millenniums.

Facts are definitely not your forte'. But this is to be expected when the clueless take up the specious lies and distortions spread by terrorists.

Another fallacious argument coming from someone who obviously lacks in basic reading comprehension and the history of the Middle East; get back to me when you have even a slight clue as to the history of this region and its people.

Read the above history I posted to Margo and get a clue.

 

Would love to hear from Skeptic the difference between a Jordanian Palestinian and a ''real'' Palestinian.