Abeter of Genocide to Spearhead Venezuela Coup

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/30/elliott-abrams-venezuela-coup/

This is clearly meant to scare the Hell out of the population down there. 'Support the coup or else'. Elliott Abrams was at the forefront of Reagan's terrorist wars in Central America. His job at the State Department was to cover up mass atrocities committed by U.S. mercenary forces trained, supplied, and directed by the United States - U.S. military advisers and CIA "bosses" in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. The CIA in Nicaragua.

Hundreds of thousands of people were killed. Millions were displaced.

In September 2018, the Guatemalan court ruled that Guatemala's genocide was carried out in accordance with United States policy. Chief Judge Castellanos:

In March 1983, shortly after the genocide had occured, Elliott Abrams went on television to defend US support for the Guatemalan regime: The army massacres and the ensuing refugee flows should be blamed "on the guerrillas who are fighting the government", he said. Mass murder and refugees are "the price of stability."

https://books.google.com/books/about/With_Friends_Like_These.html?id=CaOFAAAAMAAJ

After the UN Truth Commission on El Salvador reported that 85% of the human rights abuses were committed by the Armed Forces, Elliot Abrams described the results as a "fabulous acheivement":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...e7ae4da/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.562aa8fb4f9b

In Nicaragua, the CIA advised the Contras to attack what one US General called "soft targets" - including schools, hospitals, cooperatives - and to "neutralize" individuals who were "in tune with the regime," as advocated in the CIA manual, Tayacan.

https://fas.org/irp/cia/guerilla.htm

In 1985, 2 years before the Contras' atrocities reached their peak, Elliott Abrams expressed concern that there would be growing opposition to such tactics from human rights groups.

"There are going to be a lot of people who are fairly fainthearted" about this type of warfare. "As they see, in some of these cases, the amount of violence increase - and it will, because the purpose of our aid is to permit people who are fighting on our side to use more violence - a lot of people are going to get scared off," Mr. Abrams said candidly.

https://www.nytimes.com/1985/11/25/world/push-the-russians-intellectuals-say.html

 

On Charlie Rose, Elliot Abrams defends the Armed Forces of El Salvador and adamantly denies that U.S. agencies had shared personal information on refugees with Salvadoran authorities, which was a lie.

Also on the program is a Salvadoran woman who had fled for her life to the U.S. after being targeted by the military for partipating in her church's charity work in Christian base communities.

 

I dont support regime change, but Maduro is indeed a brutal dictator and his people should hold free and fair elections or shoot him into a ditch.

But that's not my call to make. It's time for the Venezuelans to decide their own fate. If they want to continue with an autocrat who has ruled by dictate for near his entire term of office, so be it. No skin off my back.

 

I care even less about Venezuela than I do about Puerto Rico and that's saying a lot.

 

Cause the corporate media said so. So much for the fake news crowd. Enemy of the people. Whatever.

 

It's fake news when they do not like it and real news when it suits their desires.

 

You don't support regime change, but you do under certain conditions. That is a beautiful example of rationalization by the human mind, LOL.

Changing regimes is what the US does. It is in our DNA.

 

Where did I condone foreign regime change?

 

It's no skin off your back, right? If the regime changers inside the Beltway do it on a weekend, it's no skin off your back.

 

I dont support regime change, period.

 

But if it happens, it's no skin off your back.

 

No, I do not support regime change, period. I support the right of local communities to determine their own future.

 

If you watch the short video in this link, you will discover that many Americans are grateful to the Venezuelan government for its generosity with heating oil gifts some years back.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/venez...-100000-needy-us-households-2005-2013/5667418

 

What an evil man Abrams is. It's reflected in his face. Bolton, Pompeo and now Abrams proves that Trump like the former Pres. Bush sold himself to the devil and sold out the American people that voted for him.

 

I have to admit Jeanette, his face sure looks it. Many people get away with looking innocent but not him!

 

I have news for you, all the election observers said it was an open and free election, and Venezuela is known to have the best electoral machines in the world - so how can an elected official be called a dictator?

A little logic here. The term 'dictator' is used by Washington when they want people to believe black is white and white is black. It's a brain washing technique, and was used in Syria against Assad so Washington could destroy the country.

Other brainwashing terms that Washington uses for its regime changes are 'corrupt' and 'regime'.

 

Maduro has ruled by dictate the majority of his term.

 

Most of the opposition boycotted the election last year at the US behest. They even told election observers not to monitor the vote. Then they claimed it was illigitimate. The leading opposition party in Nicaragua did the same in 1984 during the Contra war there. Its the same playbook.

The elections prior to last years were monitored and deemed free and fair. The Carter Center said Venezuela's election were the best in the world. Lets not forget that the current US President got less votes than his opponent. Also recall how Hillary Clinton and the DNC rigged the Primary against Bernie Sanders.

 

Yes people are saying it is almost an exact copy of Chile which resulted in getting the US's darling Pinochet in to do the killing.

I have though heard people thinking they are getting a bit weak having to declare someone President who the vast majority of Venezuelan's had never heard of before...but there again if they have the death squad man there, resistance from the people whose homeland it is will not stop the US taking control of their country.

Trump even got less percentage of the votes of the US that Maduro did of the people of Venezuela. Trump got 25% Maduro 31% so I think that makes the US less of a Democracy than Venezuela. People are also claiming lots of irregularities in the US voting system so we should at least start on the first bit of honesty. This is nothing to do with democracy and given that the real reason for Venezuela's economic situation is US sanctions, it has nothing to do with any humanitarian viewpoint from the US or its civilians. Up until now the poor have been receiving regular food packs and while we only ever see pictures of Venezuela with empty shelves apparently that is not the case at all and that happened several years ago. Most things are available only certain things not - for some reason toilet paper being a usual one not available. However people were suggesting the US newest sanctions may have the ability to result in mass death by starvation of the people of Venezuela. Apparently the US believes it will have won its coup before too many people die. Everything the US is up to is against International law and given the amount of support it has received from the rest of the West I think we ought all be prepared to accept that our Leaders no longer live with democratic values, they no longer respect International law, they no longer respect the right of states Sovereignty and believe it is fine to take them over if they are militarily stronger. The US is at war with Venezuela to get Venezuela's resources for itself. Dying Empires commit so much brutality.​

 

Venezuela's economic problems began with a sharp drop in oil prices and government mismanagement, corruption, and the way they managed their exchange rates. Saudi Arabia stepped up oil production causing prices to fall. The Chavista governments never diversified the economy. Entirely dependant on oil revenue. US sanctions are just exasperating the crisis and preventing the economy from recovering. It's opportunism. And the narrative remains the same. "Because Socialism."

 

That is not how I have heard it. Corruption I do not know but not the rest. I have people coming round soon so do not have time to go into it, show sources but yes the price of oil coming down, yes not diversifying their economy though as 75% of the economy is Capitalist I am not 100% sure that was necessarily the governments problem. My biggest difference to you is the extent to which US sanctions affected Venezuela. I looked this up because people were denying that it had and it certainly looks like they did but I will need to look for that information when I have time. Maduro also apparently tried to copy one of your right wing economists and that was great for the Venezuelan rich but really bad for the country.

 

and even if all this was true which as I have said above I do not believe is so, it still would not give you the right to do what you are doing. The only thing that is giving you any right is your superior military giving you the ability to kill without fear of it being returned and your ability for however long it lasts to destroy people's economies. Even if what you claim there was true what you are doing is still well against International law, not democratic and showing total disregard for human rights - not least keeping the economy low enough to starve the people. I will put my source in later. It is in the other thread on this.

 

You may want to check my position on all this. I started this thread. To say the government bears no responsibility for the crisis is just as skewed as blaming it all on socialism. But yes the US is indeed "making the economy scream" as Nixon ordered the CIA to do in Chile September 11, 1973.

 

I think with China's loans and investments, and plans to make it part of its new silk roads as well as with Russia's help in developing its agriculture, the economy would have bettered itself - and that's something Washington doesn't want.

Venezuela will become another Syria, and this time it might include China. Our sociopaths love to sit back and watch others kill themselves off. In Syria, when the army was defeating the terrorists, experts from Britain would conduct a false flag chemical attack to use as an excuse for the US to bomb Assad's troops.

The reasoning behind it was to level out the playing field so the war could continue.

 

It's kind of hard to have a stable economy when the CIA is inside your country trying to overthrow the government all day, every day.

And I say that as someone who is very much opposed to the kind of state socialism that is being practiced in Venezuela.