Abeter of Genocide to Spearhead Venezuela Coup

Except I did not say that. I am arguing against you saying

Regardless of what your position may be on death squads your position here is your governments, I read recently an example of what they put as the position of the against Venezuela rhetoric and it seemed to be very much this though I cannot find it to check and put it in. If we leave aside for the moment the fact that you are wrong on the effect of US sanctions, the word that shouts out as being firmly in your position and not in the alternative is that you believe the Venezuela Government is guilty of corruption. Of course along with this goes the idea that the only reason that Maduro is in power is because he is using Venezuela's money to buy off everyone, including it appears even by giving the poor free food. That argument neatly ties in with the 'corruption' of the Venezuela government's elections and a humanitarian argument for invading Venezuela, whether that is your position or not.

I have not yet been able to find evidence of corruption in Maduro's Government. An extremely difficult and complex economic situation yes, mistakes, yes, but corruption no. It may be there but I have not found it.

Now to go to your idea that the US sanctions only exasperated the crises. It certainly did. However by using the word only you are totally minimising both the ongoing disruption of the US in Venezuela since the coup attempt in 2002 which has resulted in the opposition, funded by millions of dollars from the US engaging in ongoing violence and the effect of the sanctions to which no only should be put. US sanctions have cost Venezuela $6 billion in the last year. To see the relevance of that number

My argument was against you saying 'only' and your blaming Maduro for everything, not that there was not the problems with the drop in oil price, nor that there were not arguments that the Government should have made other investments when times were good - though I did also say that given that the vast majority of Venezuela's economy is Capitalist, not therefore acting under the direction of the Government, I questioned whether all the blame can be put on that - and as I said earlier the economic situation in Venezuela appears to be extremely complex.

So, I see you as minimising the effect of the US sanctions and that is what I have seen done by those who just read the papers and look no further and I see that being used as an excuse for what the US plans now. Those who do not support the opposition which is the vast majority of the people of Venezuela, do not agree with you. They do not need to be supporters of the Maduro Government to recognise the immense negative effect of the US sanctions which rather than just exasperating the situation, as of themselves, bring the country to the verge of famine - not something unusual to the morality of the US as it has been actively supporting the same in Yemen.

My argument with you was that in your claim of corruption and in your massively minimising the effect of US sanctions you are simply supporting the argument of those wanting regime change - whether you do or not I do not know. Your claiming that I said the Government has no responsibility in the situation is also false, though whether that responsibility is more than not knowing how to deal with the situation, making mistakes has most certainly not been proved. That I said the government had no responsibility however is not true.

Now, lets get to the evidence concerning the effect of US sanctions for which I will give a quote.

https://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/14073

and it is believed US new sanctions may well result in and may well be being introduced to result in deaths from starvation which the US will then blame on Maduro and expect the entire West to support Regime change in Venezuela.

 

The crisis started before 2017. Shortly before Chavez passed away. No government is without sin. Any foreign head of state can be turned into a hate figure. It doesn't matter if there really was corruption. Does corruption not exist in Washington? Does that give Russia the right to force a coup in the US?

 

I see you are playing at broken record

 

Cants find evidence of corruption in Venezuela’s government? Are you so partisan that you just refuse to see the truth?

Wake up and smell the coffee! Your innocent maduro fills the pockets of his elite by using the most basic currency swaps at the expense of the treasury!

 

First of all quit the on going never ending personal attacks. It makes you look so weak. Second Miami are where all the ex pats are who are fueling this move for regime change. Them saying that is what someone would expect. You really believe that you can produce the most partisan and worse, given that they are actively working for regime change, and suggest someone is partisan for not accepting it. Time for you to find a mirror, and begin to get some understanding of how to do research.

 

And making the economy scream is a crucial element in US tactics in bringing down uncooperative governments.

 

It was mentioned earlier about the drop in the price of oil which was put down to the Saud's. However it was not mentioned who started the situation which resulted in the Saud's acting in this way and that was the US wanting a reduction in the price of oil both for it to be cheaper and also or so people say to hurt Iran, Russia and Venezuela. I think that that might also have been quite an agreeable possible result to the Sauds.

I found this video. I am not normally a Galloway fan. I went off him after watching him on Big brother. However this is an excellent interview with loads of information for anyone genuinely interested in the situation.



They make clear how this is probably the first time that Regime change has been made so public. They also speak about how this is being supported by social media. Some blue sticker which is supposed to belong to a President having been taken away from Maduro and put on the American stodge. (I heard last night that the number of votes from the Venezuela public he has ever received was around 97,000 for the Nat Assembly.) I also read that many twitter accounts of non opposition Venezuelans have been closed. Seems the US has learned how to fight war through social media. They also say that the only hope they see for Venezuela is if the army stay with Maduro and resists the silver offered by the U.S.

 

Absolutely what I hear they hollored they were doing to Chile in order to get regime change there.

 

No doubt the Saudis increased oil production on US orders. The CIA also directed the Contras to attack economic targets, including people, as part of its program of destabilization. As explained by former CIA Chief of Station John Stockwell.

 

That’s it? I give you quote and link and you give me nothing?
And how is it that you claim I insult you when i point out your inability to see beyond your partisan opinions, and you prove me right by completely disregarding my link and my quote?

 

Have to love the names the empire comes up with to propagandize it's next target. Bolton calls Venezuela one of the three countries they are after the Trioka of Tyranny...lol. Almost as catchy as the Axis of Evil but Frum came up with that first - Bolton's really plagiarizing for the new neo-conservative regime change agenda. Privatization of Venezuela's oil is really the goal along with the elimination of any even moderately left-wing governments in the Western Hemisphere.

"Well, that statement from Bolton is remarkable. And it sounds like he’s implementing the Trump doctrine of “to the victor belong the spoils, take the oil,” because what Bolton is proposing there is not just to overturn the policy of the Bolivarians, the Chávez movement; he’s talking about overturning the oil policy that existed before Chávez came to power, under the previous US — essentially, US-directed conservative governments in Venezuela. When Chávez came to power, the oil company in Venezuela was already nationalized. He inherited that. He did not suddenly nationalize an oil industry that was controlled by American corporations. It was already done by his predecessors. So, he’s actually — Bolton is actually proposing a radical change in the traditional economic policy of Venezuela."

"So, the reason for Bolton advocating having the US companies coming in and seizing the oil is more political, making — one, giving the US a source of leverage, deciding where that oil can go and where the — how the oil revenues can be used, because, up to now, first under Chávez and continuing, to a certain extent, under Maduro, the Venezuelan government, the Bolivarian government, has used those oil revenues for several political purposes. One is to fund social programs that have helped the poor. And, in fact, that was the specific reason that the rich, after ’02, went on strike against Chávez, trying to bring down the economy, because they objected to the oil revenues being used for social programs for the poor. They wanted the oil revenue to flow somehow into their pockets."

https://truthout.org/video/bolton-pushes-privatization-of-venezuelas-oil-as-us-ratchets-up-pressure/

 

unfuckingbelievable... they put Elliott Abrams in charge... so this is what Trump's MAGA is... it's Reagan's rape of South America 2.0

 

Venezuela and the world would be better off if the current gipovernment resigns.

Quality of life in Venezuela is dangerously low. Poverty, inflation, and hunger are out of control. What is the inflation rate? 100,000%? The non-state owned media has been shut down. Human rights, such as free speech, have been wiped out.

The country is falling apart.

 

Enough of the crocodile tears. If anyone really cared about Venezuelan people they would oppose the US destabilization program there.

A former top State Department official predicts that US sanctions will result in "a default on their bonds and a collapse of internal investment and oil production ... civil unrest, refugee flows across their borders, and a cutoff of Venezuelan financial support to Cuba and Haiti that could lead to migration flows to the United States."

No outcry from Trump partisans. Silence from partisan Dems. Its presupposed that the US has the right to meddle in another country's affairs.

 

Who gives a **** about Trump outcry? We don’t want Citgo to become Russian, so we go in and tell Maduro he is not the leader any more.

 

No. The US just wants to control the oil and objects to the government using oil revenue to fund social programs:

Raw imperialism.

 

Still no far right objections to Trump appointing Elliot Abrams to spearhead the coup. Genocide? Owell. Who cares. Socialism must be defeated everywhere and by any means necessary. Sick people.

 

Much of that is due to external (US) influences including sanctions and stealing their gold in London.

True, mismanagement by the locals has had an effect, but why are we meddling in their business? Why is it our business?

 

Good analysis of the failures of Guaido's dog and pony show.

One would never find an article like this in mainstream media.

https://www.rt.com/news/451157-juan-guaido-rt-interview-venezuela/

Sr. Guaido has been trained and supported by Washington.