Aborting Jesus Christ!?

Think that is the definition .. but is a mute point .. only thing that matters is when the soul arrives .. when do you figure that happens ?

 

Interesting.

I was just trying to get definitions. I was not trying to insult.

I quoted both because I believe both should answer both, but the OP especially needs to if we’re going to have a civil discussion.

Personally, I define conception as beginning at implantation. It’s really not possible to abort a fertilized egg unless you’re talking about chemical “abortion” where the uterus is made from incompatible to implantation.

This is why defining abortion more critically is important. Some Papists define abortion to include male masturbation. I think abortion should be defined more strictly as unnatural ending of a pregnancy after implantation.

Next question becomes when should a pregnancy be considered an individual human life?

 

The is no empirical evidence that that a soul arrives, let alone exists. So when do I think the soul arrives? How bout never.

 

IMHO an individual human life is defined by a brain/cerebellum and some level of brain activity. Not sure when this happens with respect to a fetus.

 

"How about Never" is a fine answer ---- however your claim of no evidence is ridiculously false.

If no soul exists - then personhood does not exist -- and hence there is no valid justification for banning abortion.

 

a few decades ago Ireland went thru an abortion crisis, it was outlawed, and now is back, i suggest the RW check it out

 

Your consciousness comes from your brain. A person is a functioning brain. The pro and cons of abortion need to be argued without a reference to a soul unless it can be demonstrated there is a soul. You claim a soul exists. Fine. What is your evidence for your claim?

 

Your argument is lost before it starts - as we have not defined what a soul is - thus I can define it as anything I wish .. and say "Look there is the soul" Your flaw . in assuming my definition of Soul .. is some fairy dust seen in some movie.

Now . I am not going to just make up any old thing ... treat as if we had defined before .. give a definition you will agree to -- given a reasonable state of mind .. and not that YOU agree that this is what a soul means to you .. that this is a reasonable definition of soul .. that you can not refute .. and makes some semblence of sense.

The soul is the will .. The will is life ... the difference between animate and inanimate ... Some combination of matter and energy that is able to realize that it exists .. has a will ... and is able to manifest that will into physical reality.

 

it depends on what you consider a soul? non-mate. Sorry, I'm not gay, you'll have to find another mate, and quit hitting on me.

MOST WOULD SAY, THAT IF YOU BELIEVE IN A SOUL, THAT YOU WOULD BELIEVE THAT THERE IS 1 GOD, AND THAT THERE IS a HEAVEN AND HELL. DUH? lol.

I like that jet and boring liked your post. It shows that you're all on pretty much the same mindset. lol. lmao!

 

do democrats ever answer any questions, or simply just ask them, and demand answers 24-7?

What is a Bob? what is a Newhart? what is a bobby newhart?

what is a point? what is a letter? what is a word? who defines a letter or a word, and who has the right to do so?

Because, if democrat Politicians and their media don't like a letter, a number, a word or anything at all in America, they have the power to change it, and then they actually get stupid people to believe in the new definition of that word, that they changed it too. Even if that definition is illogical, or immoral, or completely contradicts the real original definition of that word.

 

Yes Mr. Chicago .. the correct question .. see post 35 for answer (my definition) .. and from there your post went mostly downhill .. stringing out some sodomite fantasy .. of which I will not partake fuvery much har har

You then posit to know what "Most" would say ..... Soul = belief in God ..
I agree with your supposition .. but, the raging masses are .. not sure how to say this in nice way .. pretty darn stupid much of the time ..

and in this case .. likely havent not thought it through .. like you have ... aye mate ?

then comes the bigger non sequitur fallacy (does not follow) .. belief in heaven and hell along for the ride .. albeit I would agree that the masses who believe in God .. would think this as well.. Cept the Jews Ya know ..and a very few others .. none of the majors.

so .. majority of who be do .. Skookums .. Sko be do .. or how did that go .. used to read those Archie comics as a young wart hog .. and yes was attracted to veronica .. sorry to dissapoint..

So .. When does the Soul Arrive ?

 

God is always in full control of the universe. Not a single leaf falls from a tree unless God wants it to. So why does He let happen abortion?
To show mankind how cruel and selfish we are?

Maybe it's a test. All of life is a test that can qualify us for Paradise. But some fail and the abortionists are surely among them. Wrongdoers destined for the hellfire.

 

When you start with a false premise --- the rest can't be much good.

 

Are you saying that because you're an atheist, or do Christians doubt God's omnipotence?

 

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Neither - just pointing out a non sequitur / false assumption .. just because a God might exist -- does not mean that God is going to intervene in some experiment she has going on "Even If" is omnipotent .. something I don't assume but others might .. the fundies for sure.

 

That's where Bob Newhart comes from. I chose it because it describes many of the people and "conversations" I have online.

The questions were genuine and were meant to elicit enough information to continue a genuine conversation rather than my guessing what you mean by abortion. Some believe that masturbation is abortion. Some believe birth control pills with may prevent the attachment of the fertilized egg to be abortion. Etc.

 

Many I think would agree to that at the least. I would ere toward implantation myself. REM seems to be what you are looking for - week 28 - end of the second trimester. Would you support forcing a woman to carry such a baby to term or do you believe the woman still has the right to end the human life involved?

 

I get really uncomfortable opining on this issue as a man who was never in a position of wanting or needing to have an abortion. But the question is a fair one. I would not support forcing a woman to carry a 28 week old fetus to term. The bady in a lot of senarios would suffer a lot less being aborted at 28 weeks than being born into a bad situation.

 

the soul arrives when the sperm swims into the egg, and it has the chance of being a human being. duh? common sense is very hard for democrats. isn't it?

so, instead of asking me more stupid questions, try using a little common sense, next time, before asking me questions like, so what do you think about the morning after pill. ok. Princess?

I just want to make sure that this post is as offensive as possible, for stupid people that don't agree. That way, when a whiney little baby reports it, which they will, and I get banned for it, you can realize how cowardly you people really are. and gutless. and whiney, and disgusting. Never taking responsibility for your own actions, but living in a two tier justice system. so report me please you whiney little babies, I'm waiting for it. Some body has to teach ya'll babies some manners. God knows you don't know any better your own dang selves.

 

Report you ? That would take away all the fun of watching your crucifixion .. on a cross of your own making friend.

Who is the worthless RINO in the room .. the one who hates the founding principle ...the control freak who has no ability to make a valid argumen but wants to trample on liberty .. force religious beliefs on others through physical violence like the Islamists .. and other worthless pieces of human garbage of the same ilk.

That wouldn't be you would it mate -- who is the whiny collectivist "aka" Liberal Socialist .. in the room .. trying to tar others with his failure

Only a moron believes a human exists on the basis of "Potential" .. How stupid would that be .. and on that basis I am fine with the morning after pill .. so don't be tarring me with that brush either "princess" har har har.

Who's the liberal collectivist tyrant RINO in the room .. .. whining on about responsibility for one's actions .. says the fellow who hides behind the heavy hand of the state ... get them to do the dirty work .. big hero .. big tough guy hiding in the corner.

 

so you judge God? Your idea of god is pretty pathetic.

 

That is an important question....pretty easy to answer. It is life because science defines it as such pretty soon after conception. It is human because it has no potential to be anything else. It is an individual because it is not replicated anywhere else.

 

when debating a non believer of Christ, if they say a statement such as: "God is the biggest abortionist of them all", they're admitting that God is real.

wording is everything. then they turn around and deny God is real. But if he isn't real, then how could he do what they claim he does? lmao!!!

 

God knows everything. Therefore a soul already pre-exists. Then when the sperm swims into the egg, that is when it will be a human. I'd say that is when it enters the body.

Democrat Politicians enjoy murdering innocent babies. and raping little girls and boys. just ask kevin spacey, or harvey weinstien, or bill clinton, or jeffrey epstien. all democrats!!!

 

sorry, but I'm not perfect. I'm not God. There is only 1 God, and neither you or me, are him.

I'm sorry that you're ok with Aborting God though. I'll pray for you.

God Bless.