In all the forums I have been on, with all the threads I have seen on this topic, this is the first time I have found a lot of laugh about in an abortion thread. You would not think to find comedy here, but this 1970's study on intelligence that we are supposed to 'debate' which we worked so very hard to access, certainly provided me with chuckles. Nonnie, you will eventually live this one down, but not soon!
Strawman Fallacy. I never argued that the world was perfect before the 1960s... I argued that issues usually result from having sex before being in a stable marriage. Whenever they have an unintended pregnancy. The point is that they know full well (from a moral standpoint) that they are committing murder, and are attempting to justify that murder somehow. And this is the debate about the moment that life begins... this also might be a semantic game... The process of childbirth begins at the moment of conception. The moment of conception is the moment that the life inside the mother's womb is striving to form into and become a born child. ACTUALLY, it is also the business of the father as well... Sure, he isn't physically carrying the child inside a womb, but that child is just as much a part of HIM as it is a part of her, DNA wise... The choice to have sex is the initial choice which leads into numerous responsibilities, thus having sex is a huge responsibility in and of itself. It is the method by which additional life is brought into this world, and that life is just as sacred and valuable as our own lives are.
Ahhh! Another proponent of “abstinence only” Only problem is IT DOES NOT WORK 7 billion people on this planet and we have people believing that if you tell teens not to have sex they will listen But let us look at who is actually having abortions And do you know why it has decreased recently Reliable contraception
You say that like it's a bad thing... It has a 100% success rate in avoiding pregnancy; it most definitely works. Of course, people have free will, and not everyone chooses abstinence. I don't believe that all of them will listen. People have free will. They will ultimately do whatever they want to do. I'm simply promoting a surefire way to avoid pregnancy. Your attached chart has NOTHING to do with who is having abortions; it instead makes reference to the number of pregnancies (between 1973 and 2013) in women who are 24 years of age or younger. That's certainly at least a small factor in those numbers, but you cannot 100% attribute those numbers to "reliable contraception". There are other contributing factors to those numbers, including but not limited to: [1] More people are choosing to get married at a later time in life than did before. [2] More people are choosing to remain single than did before. [3] More people are choosing to have much smaller sized families than did before.
Yes it is a “bad thing” and if you read any of the research around abstinence only education you would realise that it is not only an abysmal failure as a strategy but also dangerous as it reduces overall knowledge about reproduction As to my research I was trying, obviously unsuccessfully, to show that it is not “slutty teens” having abortions but women often in stable relationships People marrying later simply means that the requirement to stay celibate is more difficult to achieve. I mean if it does not work for catholic priests........ Do you want me to post research on why the abortion rate is falling. I would be happy to, in the meantime chew on theses statistics
I never said you did.... Uh, if as marriage is stable then why would issues arise from premarital sex.....your sentence contradicts itself... That's not "having a kid" that's getting pregnant....two different things. YOU do NOT know that....you have NO PROOF that you can know everyone's mind. You do NOT know what other's morals are. BS, women do not have to justify abortion whether YOU think it's murder or not. It is NOT semantics, it's SCIENCE....do you call an embryo an adult or a teenager? Well it isn't either, it's an embryo, and a fetus is a fetus and it is NOT a baby or a child. WHY do you have this NEED to call it by some other stage in life????? ACTUALLY the father does NOT spend 9 months growing a human in his insides. He does NOT suffer the pain and damage and inconvenience and financial loss pregnancy can inflict.... He can be involved only as much as the pregnant one allows him to be. Except that those who want to ban abortion value a fetus's life MORE than women's....
Teaching abstinance only has been clearly shown to be a failure at reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies. Full education including prophylaxis has a better success rate. This shouldn't be surprising. Full and truthful education is usually better and rarely worse.
It was a study conducted by someone or some group. Just because the topic flies over some heads, it doesn't mean the study is invalid. I didn't realise how many on this forum actually found it tricky.
