Abortion and poverty

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Bowerbird, Oct 7, 2018.

  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    And what birth control IS abortion?
     
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    Don't know all I look at are the statistics

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    Medicaid covers contraception. And the poorest of our people have Medicaid. Not to mention that you can get free birth control pills from planned parent hood and greatly reduced birth control pills from Wal-Mart.

    Abortions are not free. So it doesn't make sense to say the poorest can't afford birth control.

    Must be another reason why the poor have abortions and I'm guessing it has more to do with a lack of personal responsibility or lifestyle. The "baby daddy" is the norm in heavy multi generational poverty. Sex without responsability can lead to poverty and the assess to contraception does not trump a lack of responsability.
     
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    Why should they? No one is obligated to use any birth control.....



    That's a more than fair question but you'll squirm out of it somehow..:



    Now let's get back to why those against rights for women have to MISEPRESENT what others post:




    NO I do not "push for abortion".


    NOW, SHOW PROOF I PUSH FOR ABORTION OR ADMIT YOU LIED


    Funny how Anbti-Choicers have to "misrepresent" others but it's because they HAVE NO FACTS TO USE...
     
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    YUPPERS! It ALWAYS boils down to " Force these lazy sluts to have babies by banning abortion so we can call them names for having babies"


    So typical of Anti-Choicers "resoniong" ability...
     
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    If you want to see something funny, go to the Currents Events Forum for "'We've bred them to their limit': death rates surge for female pigs in the US""

    I don't know the stance on abortion that the OP or other posters have but so far they are against PIGS being bred too much , how cruel and harmful it is...how they (pigs) are so cruelly treated by being forced to gestate so much....
     
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    Poverty is very sad, but it's not a pity card excuse to have an abortion.

    Well, not a second-trimester one, anyway...
     
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    Too bad !! :) :) Women don't need a reason at all to get an abortion, all they have to do is want one :) :)


    AND : NO I do not "push for abortion".


    NOW, SHOW PROOF I PUSH FOR ABORTION OR ADMIT YOU "misrepresented" what I posted....


    Funny how Anbti-Choicers have to "misrepresent" others but it's because they HAVE NO FACTS TO USE...
     
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    You ranted but you didn't respond to anything I said in the post. So what in my post is wrong?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    YUPPERS! It ALWAYS boils down to " Force these lazy sluts to have babies by banning abortion so we can call them names for having babies"


    So typical of Anti-Choicers "resoniong" ability...




    ************CKW said:
    Medicaid covers contraception. And the poorest of our people have Medicaid. Not to mention that you can get free birth control pills from planned parent hood and greatly reduced birth control pills from Wal-Mart.

    Abortions are not free. So it doesn't make sense to say the poorest can't afford birth control.

    Must be another reason why the poor have abortions and I'm guessing it has more to do with a lack of personal responsibility or lifestyle. The "baby daddy" is the norm in heavy multi generational poverty. Sex without responsability can lead to poverty and the assess to contraception does not trump a lack of responsability."""""""""


    That whole paragraph...



    You said the "poor" have no sense of responsibility ( which is silly to say if they abort a kid they can't afford). You slammed the "poor", an easy target, while ignoring the FACT that they aren't the only women who have abortions.

    No, for some poor women there is no easy access to safe, affordable, reliable, birth control.

    There is the FACT that all birth control has a failure rate.

    There is the BIG Fact that NO ONE is obliged to use birth control.


     
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    Yes I said that a poor person who has access to birth control but chooses to not use it and then has an abortion is irresponsible.

    Of course the same goes for a rich woman who has the same behavior.

    But regardless...poor have access to birth control so there is another reason why they have so many abortions.
     
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    You said the "poor" have no sense of responsibility ( which is silly to say if they abort a kid they can't afford). You slammed the "poor", an easy target, while ignoring the FACT that they aren't the only women who have abortions.

    No, for some poor women there is no easy access to safe, affordable, reliable, birth control.

    There is the FACT that all birth control has a failure rate.

    There is the BIG Fact that NO ONE is obliged to use birth control.
     
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    I said poor who have abortions. But yes I also said that generational poverty exists......where having babies and being funded by the government is a way of life. That is irresponsible. And abortion becomes an option for them as well.

    That way at of life is a dead end and miserable. I'm surprised you think having abortions and having sex without birth control even when it is accessable is ok. It's not how I would guide my daughter because I care for her. Why is it ok to encourage an irresponsible lifestyle to strangers?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    You said the "poor" have no sense of responsibility ( which is silly to say if they abort a kid they can't afford). You slammed the "poor", an easy target, while ignoring the FACT that they aren't the only women who have abortions.

    No, for some poor women there is no easy access to safe, affordable, reliable, birth control.

    There is the FACT that all birth control has a failure rate.

    There is the BIG Fact that NO ONE is obliged to use birth control.




    I would be surprised, too, to think I think having abortions and having sex without birth control even when it is accessible is ok...BECAUSE I never said that...


    NOR did I encourage irresponsible lifestyles so you're wrong on both counts.

    However, I do believe that people should be able to make their own decisions about BC and abortion....and decide for themselves what is or is not "responsible".

    which they have done almost since humans first walked the earth so insulting and belittling them is just spitting into the wind...

    I do think women have a right to NOT put foreign objects or drugs into their bodies (birth control) and should have access to safe affordable medical procedures like abortion....

    It's THEIR choice and no one else's, I believe in Freedom and Liberty and the right to choose...
     
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    Ahhh! But I thought we were all about defunding planned parenthood?
     
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    You are saying that women who don't want to use contraceptives shouldnt be expected to use it. And they should have access to abortion....

    Well that must be the same attitude of poor women who abort their babies rather then use birth control....Which they most definately have access too.
    Abortion over and over sounds like a pretty intrusive sort of birth control.
     
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    It comes from the government as a part and a reason for the funding they get from tax payers.. We could put Planned Parenthood out of business and let clinics and doctors dispense birth control.
     
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    Not if they don't want to...just like MEN shouldn't be forced to get a vasectomy so no one ever has to worry about pregnancy or abortion.



    Poor women should have access to ALL medical procedures...




    Being forced to give birth is pretty damn "intrusive"...…………...
     
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    Why do you want to put PP out of business when they help give poor women access to affordable birth control !!!? WTF?

    What DO you want?

    You're against poor women having lots of kids, you're against PP and the health care and BC they provide for women, , you're against abortion....are you sure it isn't just you're against women???

    I mean, c'mon , what DO you want?
     
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    Sure. So you are ok with a poor woman who has access to birth control but chooses not to bother with it, and uses abortion as birth control.

    You may not have concerns about the risks of having multiple abortions over and over, but does this sound like a responsible way for a poor person to utilize their financial resources?

    How can you truely care about women and stand by and say this behavior is ok? Doesn't it hurt her chances of success and independence?
     

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