"Abortion has always existed and always will exist"

I've frequently heard pro-choicers say something like "Abortion has always existed and always will exist".

Well, that doesn't make it right, now does it? All sorts of bad things existed in ancient history, some of which are still going on in certain parts of the world today. Like slavery, infanticide.


Abortion instrument used in 1750-1850 period Switzerland




An account from an ancient Christian Roman historian:
"Among surgeons tools there is a certain instrument that is formed with a nicely adjusted flexible frame for first of all opening the uterus and then keeping it open. It also has a circular blade, by means of which the limbs within the womb are dissected with careful but unflinching care. Its last appendage is a blunted or covered hook, by which the entire fetus is extracted by a violent delivery. There is also a copper needle or spike, by which the actual death is brought about in this treacherous robbery of life. From its infanticide function, they give it the name, "killer of the infant", which infant, of course, had once been alive."
Tertullian, c. 220 A.D.


relief at Angkor Wat, c. 1150, depicting a demon performing an abortion upon a woman who has been sent to the underworld




Abortion in Ancient Rome
Double Crochet -
This abortion tool was used to grab and extract the baby from the womb

 

Good to see you learned something. Glad you finally realized I was correct.

Yup abortions has been around , well, ever since the first woman wanted one, probably thousands of years ago.....


...and it's good to see how abortion procedures have advanced and now women can now get safe abortions...

 

Abortion has and will always exist as long as the little human is unwanted. Orphans will always exist as long as they are unwanted. Entering text on forums will not change their status to "Wanted". Maybe pretending to care about these precious lives makes you feel better. If you will excuse me, I have to go and pretend I care about the homeless by insisting you let one live with you.

 

As far as the title of this thread goes, murder has always been around and will always be around. So what? Doesn’t mean it is a good thing or even something we should be OK with!

 

Murder is different. Murder disrupts society and causes chaos and robs others of their rights so it needs to be controlled, not always successfully but there does need to be laws against it.

Abortion does not cause chaos nor disrupts society.


Women you know, live with, work with , pass on the street or who sell you a car or a house may all have had abortions and you wouldn't know or be affected....millions of women have had millions of abortion and it hasn't disrupted society one bit.

 

Both are homicides. But you, once again, miss the point. This thread is based on the notion that you should allow it if you can’t stop it. Using that logic all crimes should be allowed.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Murder is different. Murder disrupts society and causes chaos and robs others of their rights so it needs to be controlled, not always successfully but there does need to be laws against it.

Abortion does not cause chaos nor disrupts society.


Women you know, live with, work with , pass on the street or who sell you a car or a house may all have had abortions and you wouldn't know or be affected....millions of women have had millions of abortion and it hasn't disrupted society one bit.

No, it isn't.

No.

Abortion isn't a crime.....and there's a reason that some things ARE considered crimes as I explained above.

 

Abortion is actually a crime if committed after the child in utero reaches s certain age, which is obviously an arbitrary threshold. And abortion is undeniably a homicide. It is just a legal one under certain circumstances!

 

Haven't you posted that meaningless crap about """homicide, HOMICIDE I TELL YOU Squawck Squawck!! Homicide!!! """ enough in other threads..?

I don't give a rat's patoot what you call it and neither does the law....abortion is legal and it's even legal after 23 -24 weeks if the life /health of woman and/or fetus is in jeopardy....so that's pretty much all abortions...

 

Not quite. If you forced a woman to carry full term against her will, that is a crime. It is still legal to adopt unwanted children if you really care about them.

 

Hey if the truth strikes such a nerve with you that is your problem.

I don’t give a patoot what you give a patoot about. Legality isn’t the deciding factor. Wasn’t slavery legal in this country at one time?

 

What "truth"?

Slavery was also WRONG...it took away the right of people to their own bodies, EXACTLY what Anti-Choicers want to do to women.

 

Nope! Absolutely untrue.

Once she reaches a certain point in the pregnancy she is no longer allowed under the law to commit an abortion homicide against the child in utero.

Blah lahblahunwanted children squawk squawk... babble babble babble.

Killing a child isn’t doing the child a favor, no matter how you try to spin it!!!

 

You have blinders-on.
Killing someone is the ultimate taking away of that child’s right to his/her own body.

 

It is neither a favor nor murder. Speaking about squawking and babbling, did you ever get around to actually caring about children through actions instead of squawking and babbling?

I didn't think so.

 

So you do think it is in the best interest of the child to kill the child or no? Or are you admitting you don’t give a crap about children?

Btw never said it is murder, but it is undeniably a homicide!!!!!!

 

Wow

Crickets

Again?

 

There is no child involved in abortion.


Spittle flying...""""Homicide! Squawck! Squawck! Homicide! """


Funny how poster never noticed that screaming "homicide" repeatedly has NEVER and will NEVER change thing...



And all I hear are "crickets" in answer to:

"""Slavery was also WRONG...it took away the right of people to their own bodies, EXACTLY what Anti-Choicers want to do to women.""

 

No. I am against abortion. I love human beings and would never want to kill them. My wife and I adopted 3 children and help care for other children that don't live with us.

 

Sorry. I have a job and a family. You may have to wait for me to point out how little you really care about these precious little humans.

 

Wrong once again. There is s child in utero, which is accepted terminology in federal law. Specifically the Unborn Victims of Violence Act. Read up!

Actually you failed to read my reply to your slavery comment. Killing a child in utero is the ultimate deprivation of the child’sright To his/her own body.

You can claim abortion isn’t a homicide if it helps you sleep at night, but that doesn’t change the fact you are wrong.

 

Do you think it healthy and good that people are killing the unborn to escape the unwanted consequences of their actions?

 

You mean, of course, excluding a person dismembered in the womb.

 

YUPPERS!

Do you think it's a good thing to take away women's right to their own bodies?

Why do you think women should be punished for having sex?

Is sex a bad thing to you?

Do you think it wise to force women to have children they either just don't want or can't afford?

Do you want to pay for all these unwanted children?

 

There is no person dismembered in abortion.

A fetus may be dismembered (late term abortion) to save the life/health of the woman it's in...….unless , of course, you prefer she die...