Abortion in the case of rape.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/morning-after-pill/about/pac-20394730
When this product was first advertised, it was glorified initially, by the proponents of abortion as something that would solve the issue of abortion. Today I hear little about it.

I am thoroughly pro- life, but my beef now is with Republican candidates. The left constantly throws it in our face that victims of rape (actually not that many cases) must have the right to abortion. Well, personally, as tragic is rape is, I would advocate the following solution that would diffuse that argument entirely.

We must educate women to understand there is no stigma to the crime and they must seek help immediately. Enforcement provides a rape kit first and foremost. A morning after pill must then be provided. Personally, though I value life, I think most would agree, this is a viable compromise. Sure, it does require that women take on a spirit of responsibility that goes with the "gift of bringing life into this world" but equally. the perpetrator of rape must be identified and charged to the full extent! (the extent I would favor would probably exceed any current law.....different topic).

I'm just putting this idea out for discussion because I don't understand why Conservative candidates don't use this argument to stifle what I see as a ridiculous argument in the case of rape.

 

1 those things are dangerous as F%^k,
2 all forms of contraception have a failure rate.
300 million people in the states, at least 1/5th are having sex with some form of contraception on a daily basis.
1% failure rate of 60 million people f$%king equals 60,000 failures per day.....01% failure rate is 6000 people per year maybe, about the amount of failure due to abstinence, but get raped.

Sounds like telling rape victims to take a morning after pill, IF they can get over their anxiety is failed policy when it fails.

Abortion for birth control is the most expensive form of birth control, Birth control in itself is avoiding responsibility. Who chooses the most expensive way to do something. Most times its done out of necessity.
Face it republicans are against liberty, they're the party of authoritarianism.

 

It seems your post did not even consider what was said. I did not address birth control failures at all. They are expensive....but not when government pays for them. That is a different topic altogether.

Obviously, by what you have said, you are pro abort. You do not value life in the womb. That is not this discussion or debate. My post addresses the failure of Republican Candidates to diffuse the lame argument that abortion in the case of rape is a womens right guaranteed under our Constitution. Regardless of the argument I would have candidates make..... any women can go to New York or California and abort their child up to the moment of birth.

 

That sentence ends any debate/conversation as being hopeless.

 

This is the part where I laughed out loud. You are obviously divorced from reality if you think "stigma" is the problem.

And it seems you are unfamiliar with the backlog of rape kits in police departments across the country.

Seeking to secure justice for thousands of rape victims, about 20 states are moving to test a backlog of unexamined rape kits found in storage rooms in police departments across the country — and change the rules for how rape cases are handled in the future.

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Well then you must be able to provide a reference to these "backlogs". What states have these backlogs? Why wouldn't a rape kit be examined when an accusation has been made? It easily verifies the fact a rape has taken place and preserves the identity of the rapist. Are you saying there is an overwhelming percentage of rapes where the perpetrator is unknown? That is where your supposed statements make me "laugh out loud".

Why wouldn't victims of rape opt early for the morning after pill, rather than continually feeling the effects of an unwanted pregnancy until they decided to abort a developing human being?

 

It has been constantly purported by pro aborts that many rapes go unreported by women because of the stigma attached to it. Supposedly that is why they wait until the end where they opt for abortion. That whole argument is silly when the "morning after pill" is available.

The whole idea is that pro aborts want to promote the idea that no parties have any responsibility toward preserving life. That is why they believe any discussion is "hopeless". It is hypocritical. Actually, I was hoping to hear from pro-lifers on the subject, as to why this angle has not been presented.

 

Maybe you don't see a problem here, but I sure do. My then wife was actually raped, and she was in no condition to 'report' within a 24 hour period to the prying questions of a couple of cops and a rape kit. She was, I gather, evidently balled up on her bed and staying away from EVERYONE adult enough to understand what 'rape' was for several days. I was under the impression she was sick. She only told me after she was late with her period. I don't think she would have ever told a soul if she did not feel she was forced to because of a potential pregnancy.

pschological and physical trauma like this does not always lend itself to a well reasoned rational approach to problem-solving within the borders of specific timeline. What women who have been raped need more than anything is extra time to work through the symptoms of post traumatic stress, and begin to critically think.

Most women never go near a police station to report at all. The only way this plan of yours works reliably, is if that morning after pill is already sitting in her medicine cabinet or her purse before the attack.

 

I understand the trauma and I am moved by what your wife experienced. The rape kit may be idealistic but..... the morning after pill is private and available. Do you see the sense in a traumatized victim carrying a rapists baby beyond several days when the morning after pill could be a solution? Wouldn't carrying that developing baby add to the trauma?

I just see abortion in the case of rape is a non issue when a pill is available. Pro aborts want to make this the rule rather than an exception and I'd like to see it challenged.

 

You know, I am not one who is a vehement women's lib supporter.
But I can understand where they are coming from when men start interfering in women's lives and telling them what they should do after OTHER MEN have viciously assaulted them in the most intimate way physically and mentally.

Deakibg with Rape is not just a seeding issue, discussed and dealt with as if you want to develop a new weed killer.

It is an experience about male power, female pain and psychological trauma.

And too many forget that a lot of it happens I family homes where the secrecy, confusion, betrayal and violation of what should be safety and trust is completely shattered.

So while I accept that the OP is meant to be helpful, please accept that it isn't.

And further, since he declares himself what is euphemistically called pro life, any form of morning after treatment is considered by his cohorts to be inadmissible. It interferes with "life".

There is a voice in me that says " I wish MEN would stop telling WOMEN about how they should feel after MEN have caused them to be pregnant. One member here seems to think they can forget the child they carried for nine months and all those natural hormones and genetic caring traits that develop.
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Instead of telling women how they should deal with what they have done and don't have to take responsibility for, men should stay the hell out of women's knickers unless they too want a child. Or use double safety protection.

 

I am not in favor of a lot of 'rules' especially when dealing with a woman dealing with a rape. Ideally that morning after pill is conveniently at hand , but because people tend not to prepare in advance for a rape, it may not be sitting around. My then wife ended up deciding to have the baby and keep it ( to this day we don't know for sure about paternity), so pro lifers like you will be happy with that result, but you would not have gotten that result by rushing the decision much earlier than Roe proscribed. Time was a pro-lifers ally in our case because we already had finished our first preliminary appointment with planned parenthood before that final decision. I am 100% in favor of giving these women a LOT of time to work through the trauma, figure out who to tell, and start making the pragmatic and best decisions they can with the situation that they have. I am not in favor of some arbitrary first trimester deadline that makes some red state legislature rest a little easier. They were not the ones attacked, and they are not the ones making this call.

My son is one of three, and has given our family a lot of joy. Whatever role I may have played in making my wife comfortable taking her time to make her decision, I could not be more pleased with how it turned out.

 

I'm pro Universal Healthcare, I do value life.
A woman's right to birth control is guaranteed under liberty, and the castle doctrine.
If a state has stand your ground laws, it cannot be against abortion. Simple as that. A woman has the right to defend her way of life, and an intruder having a heart beat is irrelevant in that decision.

 

BECAUSE THEY HAVE JUST BEEN RAPED!

ANOTHER righty who thinks rape consists of a man gently having sex with an unwilling woman who , afterwards, simply pulls up her pants and heads for the nearest drugstore for DRUGS and then saunters down to the police station to report what happened.


How far from reality can anyone get !!!!!!


Just to inform you of real life, rape incudes force , shock, trauma, a woman may have been tortured with the rape, held at knife or gun point, cut up, shot , maimed , torn up inside.....HARMED SERIOUSLY....and it could be by SOMEONE SHE KNOWS who she is terrified of..

Some rape victims require surgery, are in comas, all are TRAUMATIZED and may not be able to make decisions in a 'timely" manner to suit YOU....


BUT, Anti-Choicers want these women to pay a higher price than the RAPIST.

 

Democrat votes lead to more rapists on the street. Its like you guys don't even care about RAPE PREVENTION.
Sad

 

As "sad" as your ridiculous post....but a nice diversion from the facts of my post

 

Lots of us conservative posters have mentioned this over the course of the debates here on these forums. Abortion shouldn't be necessary, given plan b. And yet, liberals will castigate you for even bringing it up/ Why? Because democrats want abortion. it doesn't matter, the rape issue is a red herring for them. They want to use abortion. Why? It coincides their warm embrace of Eugenics. It correlates exactly with their enduring notion of managing minority populations.

For me, it has never been a question. If you are raped, report it. Get a rape kit, document the DNA of your attacker, and get plan B to ensure that there won't be a need for the abortion in your future. Why do democrats fear this?

 

You mean that load of BS you posted? Well then maybe the oh-so-HOLY planned parenthood can provide a service where they do an abortion pill drop off service for women that are too traumatized to hit a CVS
You just want to spew BS that its so hard to get this pill because you want to push unnecessary abortions.

SAD

 

Why should the victims of rape feel guilty or stigmatized for the heinous crime that was perpetrated against them?

 

Totally. Right on.

 

PROVE THE FOLLOWING IS WRONG :

""ANOTHER righty who thinks rape consists of a man gently having sex with an unwilling woman who , afterwards, simply pulls up her pants and heads for the nearest drugstore for DRUGS and then saunters down to the police station to report what happened.""


YOU THINK THAT IS TRUE!!!!!


How far from reality can anyone get !!!!!!


Just to inform you of real life, rape incudes force , shock, trauma, a woman may have been tortured with the rape, held at knife or gun point, cut up, shot , maimed , torn up inside.....HARMED SERIOUSLY....and it could be by SOMEONE SHE KNOWS who she is terrified of..

Some rape victims require surgery, are in comas, all are TRAUMATIZED and may not be able to make decisions in a 'timely" manner to suit YOU....


BUT, Anti-Choicers want these women to pay a higher price than the RAPIST.



AND WHY TF would I , or anyone else, "want to push unnecessary abortions.""

How assinine !It proves one thing, you have NO argument ...and certainly no facts.

 

As far as I'm concerned the decision should be left to the woman.

No woman should be forced to carry the ill-begotten seed of rape to fruition, and there's nothing moral (imo) about forcing her to do it.

 

https://www.forensicscolleges.com/blog/rape-test-kit-backlog

It is well know that there is a massive backlog. But that is besides the point that you made about 'educating women' after they've been raped. Once again, it appears to be the fault of women that they are not being responsible once they've been raped.

 

I'm rushed for time today but the quick answer I can give you is said better here.

 

Hsn't the right always felt it was the woman's fault? Yup.

..and it isn't odd that righties want to make light of rape? No, they someday want to make rape legal..

 

Rape victims have TRAUMA? Who would have thought? Thank you for sharing this major revelation with me. This still doesn't have anything to do with the morning after pill. It sounds like you just want to rant. I'm also not an "anti-choicer" as you insinuate. But that sure as hell didn't stop you from sprinkling that into your reply.
WHY IS THAT?
because as I said before..you are pushing for unnecessary abortions when they can just take a pill

Obviously this does not apply to a "Coma". I'd like to see the numbers on rape comas though.
Also, you can't cry about rapes and then vote for a party that wants to let 1/3 of prisoners back on the street and wants to deny a woman her right to self defense AND want MEN in WOMEN'S bathrooms (yeah, i'm sure that will cut down rape)

GET A CLUE