Abortion is a homicide, deal with it

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It would seem anything accurate that disagrees with your opinion falls under the fallacy category in your OPINION. Just a heads up....the rest of the world does not live in your opinion.
     
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    Cherry picking a post and C&P-ing terms without being able to respond, address the issues, or defend one's opinion is a "I have a point fallacy" and is called chickenshitism....:)
     
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  3. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't say he wasn't right. I simply pointed out that the argument he was using was fallacious.
     
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  4. JohnConstantine

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    the problem is that consensus is all we have because we really are dealing with moral relativity. This isn't a 2 + 2 = 4 kinda deal. It's simply ethical standards which are continuously being argued for and against. We can't say that either side is objectively true -- so we use consensus as a mechanism to establish agreement.

    To prove this just imagine a country in which virtually nobody believed in the moral necessity of abortion, in fact they believed the opposite. Could a law allowing for abortion sustain in such an environment?

    Now admittedly you'll get some ideas which are enforced but which are not fully back by a majority consensus. Imagine a theocracy was in place which forbid abortion and yet most people believed abortion should be allowed. Two things from this:

    1. There will be a black market for abortion
    2. The pro abortion idea would have to reach critical mass to overturn the impositions of the theocratic minority.
     
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  5. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is basically what we had before RvW to some extent and many women died.
     
  6. webrockk

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    the state sanctioned premeditated murder of this innocent child by a state approved and licensed abortion practitioner ten days prior would have spared this junkie 30 years in prison.

     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Stop with this fallacious nonsense and hyperbolic language.

    You are welcome to your opinion that a zygote (single human cell at conception) is a child but, is it informed ?

    Its kind of like playing the kindergarten game "which one is not like the other"... show a picture of a woman, a baby, and a single human cell.
     
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    If you're focusing on zygotes, I must presume you morally object to elective late-term abortion.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Correct. Good arguments can be made that despite not meeting the specific taxonomic Homo-sapiens definition (not that this is the only definition one should use to determine whether or not something is a living human/child) the fetus in the later stages should qualify as a living human.

    As you work your way back however these arguments deteriorate and as you go even further back they become complete nonsense.
     
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  10. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The "State" did no such thing, you are either terribly confused of lying.
     
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    webrockk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    illiterates abound.
     
  12. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see...so when someone calls you out for inaccuracy, you resort to insult. You suck at this.
     
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    Go back and carefully read what I wrote.

    I might even accept your apology for insulting me
     
  14. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you find this:
    "The "State" did no such thing, you are either terribly confused of lying. "
    To be insult I can only assume warmer temperatures are bad for your crystalline delicacy.
    I re read it...my statement stands.
     
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    toodles.
     
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    Once abortion is made illegal, what penalty should be enforced against women who have them?

    Should miscarraiges be investigated as a possible murder?

    Should women who go to countries where the procedure is legal, and then come back to the US face a penalty?
     
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    Well, the US already made it illegal for its citizens to go to other countries to have commercial sex with underage minors, so I don't see what the issue with the law would be.

    Fact is US jurisdiction can (and already does, in some cases) apply in other countries. If you murder a US citizen, you can be tried for that in US courts.
    Doesn't even have to be a citizen necessarily, it could be anybody subject to US jurisdiction. (There are probably some pre-1860 court precedents about this regarding slaves)
     
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    Good questions that Anti-Choicers sure have a hard time addressing...see the only other poster that replied? They had to Cherry Pick the only issue they could address.


    YES, if abortion is made illegal because it's murder then women would be, and should be, tried as murderers.

    Life in prison or execution depending on the state.



    That is something the Anti-Choicers try to avoid discussing because it's bad PR but it's true.

    They say the doctor or whoever performs the abortion is the criminal but, NO, if a person hires a hitman and the hitman kills someone for them , they are BOTH tired for murder....





    """""""Should miscarraiges be investigated as a possible murder?""""""""


    YES, EVERY miscarriage or suspected miscarriage OR ANTIME A WOMAN HAD BLOOD BETWEEN HER LEGS would have to be reported to the Gyno-Police and some Magic Way to determine if it was a miscarriage or an abortion because they are exactly alike.
    See how asinine it would all be????



    """"Should women who go to countries where the procedure is legal, and then come back to the US face a penalty?""""""



    Yes, women would have to be FORCEFULLY examined for pregnancy before being allowed to leave the country....what does that sound like to you?




    Can you imagine what kid of person would want to do all that to women ????
     
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    Not forcefully examined. They could just make a few small tweaks and modifications to those full body scanners everyone is already has to go through.
    Any pregnancy could be silently noted and data-based, for potential future reference.
     
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    LOL! That would be some tweak especially in the early stages........and then if she's pregnant what would be their reason for detaining her?


    Is being pregnant a crime?

    Do you want all pregnant women to be put on a no fly list like terrorists?

    Do you have any idea whatsoever about rights?


    From my post you quoted : ""Can you imagine what kind of person would want to do all that to women ????"""
     
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    And when they return and your fetus scanner sounds the alarm, now what? Do you ever think these things through?
     
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    It could single the case out for further investigation...
     
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    Here, you forgot to address this ;)

    LOL! That would be some tweak especially in the early stages........and then if she's pregnant what would be their reason for detaining her?


    Is being pregnant a crime?

    Do you want all pregnant women to be put on a no fly list like terrorists?

    Do you have any idea whatsoever about rights?


    From my post you quoted : ""Can you imagine what kind of person would want to do all that to women ????"""




    See, in the real world questions have to be addressed....this isn't some fantasy world of yours where women can be treated like cattle....
     
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    Lets fast forward to results. Your uterus scanner and abortion-sniffing dogs confirm a once occupied uterus is now vacant one week later. What's your plan from that point forward?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why is it so different from any other homicide, where there's a case of a missing person?
     

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