Abortion is a homicide, deal with it

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Whaler17, Jan 20, 2018.

  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    There is NO missing person. Anther dead end for you :)

    Here, you forgot to address this ;)

    LOL! That would be some tweak especially in the early stages........and then if she's pregnant what would be their reason for detaining her?


    Is being pregnant a crime?

    Do you want all pregnant women to be put on a no fly list like terrorists?

    Do you have any idea whatsoever about rights?


    From my post you quoted : ""Can you imagine what kind of person would want to do all that to women ????"""
     
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    What is even more interesting is if an American would get a legal foreign abortion in such nations as the UK and is then facing a murder charge in the US for doing so I can then see the lady and perhaps her partner applying for political asylum.

    Not a bad deal leaving a right wing religion driven fundamentalism nation for a far more civilized nation where if you do end up with any children you would not need to worry about them being used as targets for high power rifles in schools.
     
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    Until then, yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....................

    Settled law.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or at least just case precedent.
     
  5. FoxHastings

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    If you think you are correct in your views on abortion why can't you answer questions about your stance?

    Not being able to answer questions to defend your stance means you have nothing, no argument, no good reason for what you believe...nothing....

    ...so why would you hold these views?
     
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    In order to claim that all abortion involves the killing of a "Person" ... one needs prove that this claim is true. Good luck with that.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Having an opinion, and being able to support that opinion are two different things.

    Fact: There is no consensus among experts that the zygote is a living human. Thus "experts disagree". = "we don't know/we don't know otherwise"

    The idea that we should make law on the basis of "we don't know otherwise" is preposterous nonsense.

    Fact: the right of a woman to "Liberty" is the fundamental principle on which this nation was founded.

    In the case of the zygote we then have a conflict between the highly valued rights of the woman with the rights of the zygote.

    When we weigh one against the other on the scales of Justice it is no contest. How do we ascribe value to "I don't know/We don't know otherwise"

    The rights of the woman win by default.
     
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    I am curious because I have NEVER had this very simple question answered by the Pro-Life advocates so I would very much like to finally have an answer....ANY answer.

    When the unborn child becomes protected by homicide legislation and is considered a citizen, What does the Mother become?
     
  9. FoxHastings

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    Seems like these "Pro-Lifers" don't have any answers at all.......gee, maybe they have no case at all....;)
     
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    It really comes down to the question of faith. "We don't know" because there isn't a line where you are not human this second, and human the next. It is a process.

    The question comes down to this: Should laws be passed based on faith alone? Unless this is a theocracy, the answer is clear to me. Hell no!!!

    Funny how those who want to displace liberty with their religious fantasies, are the first to spread conspiracy theories about Sharia Law!
     
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    Obvious equivocation fallacy. Trying to equate not being sure it's human with religion.
     
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    Abortion is the regulation of an internal bodily organ.

    Deal with it.
     
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    The UVVA EXCLUDES abortions!
     
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    Bang on. This is a disturbing dichotomy. What is more disturbing is that the MSM refuses to educate people on this dichotomy - not only here but in other nations. Some political pundits in Britain were decrying the use of the term "Islamist" as it if was the same as generalizing by using the term "Islam". "radical Islam".

    The two are completely different. As you probably know Islam refers to a religion where "Islamist" refers to a person who believes in a specific ideology. An Islamist wants strict sharia/theocracy to be the law of the land/political system.

    An Islamist hates individual liberty and wants to force their personal religious beliefs on others through physical violence (Law). Most do not understand that condoning law - is forcing one's beliefs on others though physical violence.

    So when these right wing extremists want to force their religious beliefs on others through physical violence (Law) .. they are doing the exact same thing as the Islamist extremists.

    The MSM generally refuses to use the correct term "Islamist" to describe these extremist groups. They are correct to not use the term "radical Islam" as not all Muslims are Islamist's but, they do not educate people by explaining this difference and using the correct term.
     
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    abortion was legal under the Anglo Saxon common law that existed prior to and during the ratification of the US Constitution
     
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    I don't give a damn what the law says. Just because some fat politicians decide to ban or allow something, it does not mean that that thing is good or evil. Fact remains that abortion is not a right. It is just a service compareble to a Big Mac.
     
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    the common law and the Republican courts have said otherwise
     
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    Just because ANYONE decides to ban something doesn't mean that it's good or evil. That's why LAW steps in....


    Yes, we all have the RIGHT to our own body....so no matter what you call abortion( a right or a Big Mac) a woman has a right to get one....


    But if you ""don't give a damn what the law says" then you are free to have an abortion...or not :)


    BTW, I know that Anti-Choicers don't care about what the law says...or science...or facts....or logic..
     
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    Abortion was LEGAL when our nation was founded and is therefore considered to be one of the UNENUMERATED rights in the 9th Amendment of the BoR.

     
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    And I don't give a damn what YOU say.
     
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    Geez! Think outside the party box for once! Leave The Law and 'The Constitution' aside and instead look at the matter from a more holistic perspective. :no:
     
  22. FoxHastings

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    Don't you wish you could set the law and Constitution aside and make women nothing more than slaves....but that's not how it is :nana:
     
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    Who cares? What the law is should never be used as an argument for what the law should be. The law is somebody's conclusion, not an argument for a conclusion.
     
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    I have said all along that the military industrial complex that is so beloved by the forum's far right should be disbanded because it also commits homicides - how about you far right people demanding the same?
     
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    the law should dissolve the worthless and imperialistic military industrial complex

    agree?
     
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