Abortion is a homicide, deal with it

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Whaler17, Jan 20, 2018.

  1. LiveUninhibited

    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    The military industrial complex exists because of how we make our laws. If we eliminated plutocratic mechanisms of making law, the power of such groups would be appropriately diminished.
     
  2. Mr_Truth

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    precisely what I'm calling for

    are you doing the same?
     
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    No it won’t...Women won’t allow that nor will men who respect women
     
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  5. FoxHastings

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    Nor will anyone who respects human rights .....men should pay attention, if rights can be taken from one group they can eventually be taken from any group.
     
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    It is you that is not looking at the matter from a "holistic" perspective.

    The principle on which this nation was founded (not the Constitution) is that individual liberty is "ABOVE" the legitimate authority of Gov't.

    If you can find a more "holistic" principle on which to base a Gov't I welcome you to try.

    While you may have a moral stance - one that you can not back up unfortunately but regardless- there is a difference between 1) having a belief and 2) forcing that belief on others through physical violence (law).

    From a "holistic" perspective - starting at the beginning ... aka - zygote. This single human cell will never be part of the structure of the human that is being created.

    Since not one cell of this human exists - it is rather tough to claim that a human exists.

    How is terminating a process by which a human is being created - prior to that human existing - immoral ?
     
  7. Whaler17

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    Yes it will. Injutifiable homicide simply cannot stand in a society that claims to value human rights.
     
  8. FoxHastings

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    It has stood for thousands of years.....just like war...
     
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    Abortion is legal , deal with it....or not, it doesn't matter...
     
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    and would probably tumble down from there into a dictatorship like in Venezuela.

    True direct democracies work best in smaller countries where all the citizens are middle class, well informed, and educated.

    I don't see how that's likely to happen when middle class women abort all their kids.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't be so melodramatic, there are all sorts of homicides with punishments dramatically less than life in prison.

    In some parts of the U.S. it's not even that uncommon for women to get off with just probabation for murdering a husband/boyfriend/rapist who abused them.
     
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  12. FoxHastings

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    You're telling someone not to be so melodramatic when you think a fetus looks like the Gerber baby from conception and abortion has something to do with panda bears!!!


    So do tell me what women will be charged with?


    Manslaughter? ""OOoops, I accidently had someone give me an abortion but I didn't mean it""" ?


    Nope, if it's a crime to kill a fetus murder is the only thing it could be....what other reason would there be for making abortion illegal?


    It won't be made illegal because self righteous twisted busybodies think it's "icky" or just not nice.....
     
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    Middle class women do not abort all their kids, don't be so melodramatic...
     
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    Why is their birth rate so low then?
    Are they not having sex? or are they managing to be more RESPONSIBLE with their contraceptive options?
     
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    No, it will not and no it is not homicide.
     
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    Is it ?




    Why would middle class women be celibate?





    Using contraceptives does help lower the birth rate......


    Again, a post of yours leaves me looking for a point....
     
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    I have already proven you wrong on the homicide definition, and yes it will.
     
  18. eathen lord

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    Not under the law and if abortion becomes illegal then it will go more underground, if you reply please don't use the term proof unless you have data to back you up.
     
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    Yawn, so making guns illegal will stop people from procuring them, but people will have abortions regardless? Silliness. Doesn’t matterif people will continue committing abortion homicide, it should still be illegal. Why is Heroin illegal? People still use it. Why is premeditated murder illegal? People still do it!
     
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    So you are admitting that your only objective is to turn mothers who cannot support an unwanted additional child into criminals? :eek:
     
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    BINGO!! Exactly what Anti-Choicers want....
     
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    I know one woman who is middle class and she didn’t abort all her kids just three (sarcasm alert)
     
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    All you have proven is that a bunch of partisan political hacks made a law (a law which contradicts other law) based on religious belief - aka Sharia.

    What you have failed to prove is that a zygote is a living human.
     
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    Take a Physiology class ,learn what you are talking about . A zygote is not alive , it has no nervous system , or nerve endings ,or sense organs , no brain , no eyes, no ears, . no organs . It's called Science , a thing done by smart people . Try listening to the smart people who do Science .
     
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    He’s too busy sitting under an acorn, thinking it’s a tree
     
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