If a women's life is at risk to carry to full term then abortion would be appropriate but that is extremely rare and not really the issue here.
FoxHastings: Good comparison, I have often compared Anti-Choicers to rapists. It's all about power and control over women, to subjugate them and use FORCE against them exactly as a rapist does. It isn't their's so why do they want to control it? What right do they have? And how would you control one inner part of a woman without controlling all of her? Why is it that Anti-Choicers can NEVER answer direct questions? Society has butted in to women's wombs enough to ban abortion after viability. It's not really their business but some in "society" have control/stupidity issues Did you want more? TOTAL ownership of women by the government? Or by YOU?
BillRM said: ↑ LOL so you get to tell women if they must risk their health and even their lives to bring those lives to full term even against their will? So once more how does your claim rights to used the legal system to force women to bring such life into the world difference from a rapist with a knife at a woman throat to force her to allow such life to come into being? GEE, you didn't answer HIS questions either? What's the matter, no FACTS? IF YOU were that women I bet YOU wouldn't treat her death from pregnancy so horribly callously. And, EVERY woman who becomes pregnant risks death....
The adult has always been the most valued of any society because of production versus consumption of edibles.
What "scripture" ? Hindu, Christian, Jewish, Islam. The immutable truth is that at the end of day you have no proof that you know anything about God .. or even if there is one or four. That is the immutable absolute truth - and what on earth does this have to do with the abortion debate. The God of the OT proscribes abortion.
I couldn't have answered the question more directly you just can't deal with my answer because it makes too much sense. Once the fetus is viable outside the womb it is an entity until itself and you no longer should be able to kill it on a whim. That is just murder plain and simple.
I have never disagreed with that once the fetus is outside the womb it is a legal person.....now you're getting it! It does have protections after it's viable , 23 weeks, INSIDE the womb.. AND women do NOT abort on a "whim"....your denigration of women is noted.
FoxHastings said: ↑ I have never disagreed with that once the fetus is outside the womb it is a legal person.....now you're getting it! It does have protections after it's viable , 23 weeks, INSIDE the womb.. AND women do NOT abort on a "whim"....your denigration of women is noted. "Selfish" isn't against the law nor is "convenient". Yes, women have abortions because it isn't convenient to have a baby. What else would abortions be for??????
Abortion isn’t legal when it is viable. Practically all abortions are done in the first trimester when it is less than one ounce .... The only time I heard of a late term fetus was a dear friend of mine had to make that decision, her fetus had its brain outside its head and would’ve died in minutes
And that is what it should be but by law. It's still legal to abort after that and it does happen. To me that is indefensible except in a case like you described.
What don't you understand about "Abortion isn’t legal when it is viable." That means there's a law against it. If there is a threat to the life/health of the woman and/or fetus it IS legal and should be...
There is no law against late term abortion the way I understand it. There's a very vague requirement about the mothers life being at risk but as you yourself said earlier a mother's life is at risk in all pregnancy so the requirement is kind if a joke and in reality a woman can choose to abort any time she wants even after it's a viable outside the womb life.
FoxHastings said: ↑ What don't you understand about "Abortion isn’t legal when it is viable." That means there's a law against it. If there is a threat to the life/health of the woman and/or fetus it IS legal and should be... Uh, just because YOU don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist No, it isn't "vague"...sorry if a woman's doctor doesn't consult YOU before he operates but the doctor probably doesn't value your opinion nor feel a need to heed it... If women live or die may be a "joke" to you but it isn't to them and they are the ones who count. Yes, pregnant woman all face the RISK of death in pregnancy (please look up the word "risk"). That doesn't mean it happens in all pregnancies , there is a RISK of it happening. WHEN it happens the woman has every right , JUST LIKE YOU HAVE, to save herself from death. She may be free to BUT it's against the law. Only a person with a really low opinion of women would think women would endure 8 months of pregnancy to have an abortion for no real reason.... If a woman asked for an abortion at 8-9 months she would be given a psyche evaluation not an abortion. But you are perfectly free to think all women are insane no matter how much proof there is to the opposite.
Sure , as soon as you address my post … FoxHastings said: ↑ What don't you understand about "Abortion isn’t legal when it is viable." That means there's a law against it. If there is a threat to the life/health of the woman and/or fetus it IS legal and should be... Uh, just because YOU don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist No, it isn't "vague"...sorry if a woman's doctor doesn't consult YOU before he operates but the doctor probably doesn't value your opinion nor feel a need to heed it... If women live or die may be a "joke" to you but it isn't to them and they are the ones who count. Yes, pregnant woman all face the RISK of death in pregnancy (please look up the word "risk"). That doesn't mean it happens in all pregnancies , there is a RISK of it happening. WHEN it happens the woman has every right , JUST LIKE YOU HAVE, to save herself from death. She may be free to BUT it's against the law. Only a person with a really low opinion of women would think women would endure 8 months of pregnancy to have an abortion for no real reason.... If a woman asked for an abortion at 8-9 months she would be given a psyche evaluation not an abortion. But you are perfectly free to think all women are insane no matter how much proof there is to the opposite.
If a woman has an abortion in the eighth or ninth month the reality is she’s not having an abortion she is having a delivery
Actually 93% of states ban late term abortion. And there are reasons for it...Like my friend who made that choice when her baby would be born with its brain outside it’s skull and would not live. What amazes me about you is that you are fighting women’s reproductive freedom and yet you don’t bother to be informed. Trump sure knows his face “Partial birth” abortion as trump likes to say is illegal Here let me educate you because you’re too lazy to do it yourself Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 (Pub.L. 108–105, 117 Stat. 1201, enacted November 5, 2003, 18 U.S.C. § 1531, PBA Ban) is a United States law prohibiting a form of late termination of pregnancy called "partial-birth abortion," referred to in medical literature by as intact dilation and extraction.
The partial birth abortion ban and abortion after the first trimester are two entirely different subjects. Six months in you don't need to pull the baby half out and stick a knife in it's head you can still just suck it out like putting garbage down a disposal.
