Abortion is a homicide, deal with it

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Whaler17, Jan 20, 2018.

  1. Josephwalker

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    Finally an honest straight forward answer that I have been trying to get out of you for a long time, like pulling teeth but.... Anyway I don't see why you have been so intent in arguing with me because we both feel the same way in this issue of abortion. Where we differ is that at some point before giving birth I think the baby has rights independent of his mother while you feel nobody has the right to stop her from aborting at any time even if it's the day before delivery I guess. I know your response will be show me where I said that so I'll go ahead and answer now with your own quote. Since you set no boundaries on your statement of time I assume you would not stop an abortion the day before delivery. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    "But I, nor you or anyone else have no right to think they should have control over the fetus of another person"
     
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    "But I, nor you or anyone else have no right to think they should have control over the fetus of another person""


    Hey , how about instead of playing word games and ASSuming you know what the other poster thinks why don't you address what he wrote? WOW! Wouldn't that be something new??!!!

    Instead of trying to make some childish ASSinine point about how you think some people want fetuses aborted right up to the time of delivery why don't you address something REAL like his words....
     
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    My opinion about when it's ok or not to have an abortion didn't matter. The issue was about thinking one should have control over another persons fetus. So NO we DO NOT feel the same way. YOU think you should have control over another persons fetus. I don't.
    I already told you my wife ad I would never have a abortion. So once again you are putting incorrect words in my mouth. Seems to be your M.O.
     
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    Well since over 90% of abortions are done then, I don’t think you have much to worry about. Of that 10 % most are done to save the mother or prevent a child from being born who can’t survive
     
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    Know anyone who had one? I don’t and I volunteered at an abortion clinic. Actually I do know one..my friend whose fetus had its brain outside the skull...she had to make that horrible decision, but you would rather be the one to tell her what to do
     
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    So in other words you refuse to answer my question and once again I'm left to assume from your prior statements you would let a woman legally kill her baby at any point of pregnancy , even the day before delivery. Once again correct me if I'm wrong but I can only take your evasion of answering this simple question as a yes.
     
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    You act as though infanticide never happens and no woman would ever murder her child after giving birth. That's just a fact that happens and there is a law against it even though it's extremely rare. Why not a similar law for murdring your baby before birth? The day before delivery? The week before delivery? The month before delivery? At some point it's a baby and killing it is murder.
    You and others in here are just as radical as the people that say life begins at inception but you are on the other end of the spectrum. To you life begins at birth. Why not some reasonable point in between?
     
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    Um...I already told you at what point it would be wrong. I guess I can only assume you have short term memory loss issues or you’re trolling.
     
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    I asked when you thought it should be stopped, when you thought it should be illegal and your evading the question once again confirms my previous accusation. Your answer is never.
     
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    NO, she isn't acting as though women never committed infanticide.....women have murdered their babies after birth...it is murder and has NOTHING to do with abortion.







    Yes, there IS a law against murder. And, once again, that has NOTHING to do with abortion.




    Because you can't murder a baby before birth.





    Yup, at the point it's born , it's murder.



    "To you life begins at birth"... ..that is a DELIBERATE "misrepresentation" of what that poster has said..... a habit of yours.





    A fetus becomes a person with rights at BIRTH.

    From conception to 23 weeks it is legal to abort it.

    After 23 weeks it has PROTECTIONS.




    I bet you cannot and will not provide proof of how many thousands of women go through 9 months of pregnancy all for the fun of an abortion at 9 months....

    YOU have NO proof that happens.

    You are just making that up....
     
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    :applause::applause::applause::applause:
     
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    Wrong. I already gave you my answer. Not sure why you’re struggling with this so much.
     
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    Oh stop with the false scenario that women have an abortion the day before delivery. You’re creating a ridiculous strawman to justify denying women reproductive freedom. Your belief that women do this shows your contempt for women
     
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    Your answer was never which I hoped you would refine with a bit of prodding but apparently if a woman decided to kill her unborn child the day before delivery you'd say whatever.
     
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    Infanticide is not a straw man. If a woman kills her baby the day after birth and yes it happens it is murder. Why not the day before birth? What's to stop some Looney tunes woman from killing her baby at the very last minute before birth ? Certainly not the law that's for sure.
     
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    Wrong again. Basically you’re just trolling now.
     
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    You said never but don't like what never means when it's pointed out to you.
     
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    Show me where I said “it should never be stopped.” You know I didn’t say that.
    You know I said anything after 3 months where the baby is perfectly healthy and the mom is perfectly healthy would be wrong. So keep trolling if you like.
     
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    Yes you said it would be wrong and then said we had no right to tell a woman what to do with a fetus in her body. I pressed for a point in pregnancy when you think we would have that right and your refusal to answer means never based on your previous statement. I'm left with nothing from you but "we have no right".
     
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    Nope. I said YOU have no control over another persons fetus. For some reason this is confusing to you. I can think it’s wrong all I want...but I still have no control over another woman’s body. I’m betting you wouldn’t want/like other people to have control over you, correct?
     
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    Infanticide has nothing to do with abortion. It is the murder of a BORN person.

    No, there is nothing to stop a woman killing her fetus at the last seconds before birth....but it IS against the law.

    Yes, a woman who does that has obvious mental problems...did you want her thrown in jail and/or executed?

    ...and you may ignore my posts but every other poster sees how I prove you wrong and how you cannot address those INconvenient questions.......:)
     
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    No it doesn’t....considering it’s already illegal to abort a healthy baby from a healthy mother late in second trimester and beginning of the third trimester. So not sure why you keep going on about “no control means no law against abortion at any point”, when it’s illegal.
     
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    In some states it is with the exception of mother's health clause which is a loophole you could drive a truck through. You though have said we have no right to control what a woman does with the fetus in her body so I guess you are against even these laws. If you are not then you admit that at some point we do indeed have a right to control what a woman does with her fetus. Which is it?
     
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    Oh no, no, no....I said YOU have to right to think YOU have control over another persons fetus.
    If a fetus or mother’s health is in danger you don’t think an abortion should occur?
     
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    Do you feel your ego is well served by forcing your personal opinion on a perfect stranger?

    That is what this comes down to in the end. You feel the fetus within someone elses body deserves protection even at the cost of taking the strangers right to the only thing they truly own away...their body and freedom to it. This position involves a level of self importance that goes beyond mere ego as it in essence paints you as diabolically cruel if not sociopathic.
     
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