Abortion is as unjust as slavery. An American historical perspective.

You are all over the place. Unenforceable laws may make you feel good, but do nothing to save lives. There is absolutely nothing that will stop a woman from having an abortion if she wants one. You have the right to believe that she should be forced to carry full term, but your rights end where her body begins.

There are many success stories on how a pregnant mother was convinced to let the baby live, but someone had to step up and offer to adopt. You could step up if you wanted to. You want others to do all the wanting! All your actions up until add up to ZERO!

The unconstitutional OK bill will never fly. Perhaps the father should be able to force an abortion if he doesn't want offspring?

 

Really? Where exactly have you seen me?

President Obama would not allow immigration law to be followed, President Trump's attitude toward law has had a real impact on illegal aliens crossing the Southern border. Some laws on the books can have a positive impact on encouraging beneficial behavior.

Free will as an instrument and an opportunity allowing us the choice between good or evil, right or wrong and righteousness and unrighteousness.

I didn't realize that women had abortions because they couldn't find someone to adopt their unborn children.

If Dems are in charge for sure.

That's your argument to make.

 

Women have abortions to avoid commitment. Same thing you are doing!

 

You said it was due to the pregnant mother waiting for someone to adopt their child, now you believe it's because she fears commitment?

 

You were good at dodge ball as a kid, weren't you? I never said that. She may still not want the physical commitment that comes with carrying full term. Personal freedom makes it her choice. You can't really blame her since you share her "Fear of commitment" (As you put it)

Just to be clear, if you really cared about these precious human lives, you could make a difference right now. You just don't care. You can jump up and down, wear your pro-life hat, and post on forums all day long, but you have made it obvious that the appearance of caring is all you're after.

 

Conversely, if you really cared about the lives you reference above, you would promote live births and not choosing to abort these children.

Come on be honest; the only thing (choice) pro-abortion people are offering is (death) abortion.

 

You are quite wrong.

Pro-Choice means exactly that.

Anti-Choicers might want to lie and say Pro-Choicers are pro-abortion but that is obviously a lie.

Anti-Choicers believe women's right to choose should be taken away and the only "choice" they offer is what Anti-Choicers choose, which really is no choice at all but force and control.

 

Foxxy, The exercise of free will is both our gift and responsibility. Pro-choice is what pro-abortion advocates call their movement because it sounds much better than the reality they work to realize.

If we are being honest, the pro-abortion camp's offering is death. Call it (pro-abortion/pro-choice/reproductive rights etc. ) by any other name, it has been and always will be the same, death. The counter to your proclaimed position lands in the pro-life camp.

 

Excellent analogy!

 

True pro-choice is the choice made when the action to conceive is undertaken. Beyond that....it is just plain narcissistic irresponsibility resulting often in murder!

 

The expectant Mother is not enslave but rather living "the gift of life" she has been entrusted with.

 

Expected logic from the godless, where all moral authority rests between one's own ears.

 

No, what you're saying is Pro-Choicers force women to have abortions and like everything else you post you have no proof of that.



I guess the problem is you don't know what the word choice means and don't really care what happens to women or children.

The ""reality they work to realize." is women having a choice, YOU and all other Anti-Choicers wish to take away from women the rights you enjoy...

 

DUH, learn biology, just because a woman decides to have sex doesn't mean she'll get pregnant....she has NO choice in that, she either gets pregnant or not.

Nope, you want to make slaves of women , FORCING them , like slave owners did, to give birth.

Slave owners needed more work animals and you want to punish women for having sex by forcing them to be no more than work animals.....


But maybe you could be the first Anti-Choicer who explains why they LOVE the idea of children having narcissistic irresponsible parents...do you .hate kids??



And of course, you have no idea what "murder " is and do not have any respect for law and rights. (except for your own)

 

Russian Roulette too is a choice some have played. They just don't always like living (or dying) with the results. Nevertheless....they make that choice.
Do I hate kids? Well.....I'm not advocating their murder!

 

No one is advocating murdering children, LYING doesn't help what credibility you might have, and the ONLY one advocating that kids should suffer with narcissistic irresponsible parents is you....how cruel you are to those precious lives!!!!!



Nope, you want to make slaves of women , FORCING them , like slave owners did, to give birth.

Slave owners needed more work animals and you want to punish women for having sex by forcing them to be no more than work animals.....

 

So your final solution is to end the life of the unborn children? Not much choice for the unborn. All of us have made the same journey the unborn are on, would you, given the choice, choose to be aborted? If not, why so adamant in promoting the death of the unborn?

 

First let me put in my whole post you quoted where you left out the INCONVENIENT parts:


No one is advocating murdering children, LYING doesn't help what credibility you might have, and the ONLY one advocating that kids should suffer with narcissistic irresponsible parents is you....how cruel you are to those precious lives!!!!!



Nope, you want to make slaves of women , FORCING them , like slave owners did, to give birth.

Slave owners needed more work animals and you want to punish women for having sex by forcing them to be no more than work animals.....""""


My final solution is to allow women the same rights everyone else has....YOU don't want them to have those rights.

No, the unborn get no choice, they are not born persons with rights.

NOW HOW do intend to find out what a fetus's choice is? Mind reading? Morse code tapped out from the woman's womb? Silly idea , isn't it.

...and DUHHHHHHH if I had been aborted I never would have known ..


I am not promoting the death of anyone and for you to continue saying that is flamebaiting.


As I have made clear I promote women having the same rights as everyone else.....something you hate to see......and I don't have to wonder why, I know why.

 

My posting is not intended to anger/enrage/offend etc., it is an honest opinion at its core. If you find yourself experiencing those emotions (listed in the previous sentence) take a deep breath and let it out slowly until you have calmed yourself. The problem with internet board forums is that people read emotions into posts reflective of their current mindset. Take a chill pill and try to follow and answer the question I shared.

If I had the same rights I could choose not to abort, yes? The unborn child in the womb is of his or her mother and father, yes? I currently do not have the same rights to "legally" save (or not) the unborn child of my issue currently (preborn) within the mother's womb? Rhetorically asked.

The question was and still is for all abortion proponents such as yourself, "would you choose the same for yourself?" I would not, so would you? NOT rhetorically asked. You certainly have an answer (yes or no) but I suspect the truthful answer would conflict with your abortion advocacy.

Expectant mothers, if left to nature, will deliver a child. A natural and expected outcome. If this is not what you are about, what other outcome/status/condition are you offering the unborn child's mother?

Before Roe vs. Wade were there legal abortions in the United States. If so wasn't your choice already there though not as vehemently and widely promoted as it has been in recent American history?

 

That has nothing to do with my emotions, it has to do with the rules of the forum (which I see you haven't learned yet)
NO one should be told they advocate murder or killing children, that is flamebaiting..

You: ""that people read emotions into posts reflective of their current mindset""....and that is exactly what YOU did.....

Your insistence that fetuses can think and reason is just too ridiculous......either PROVE they can think ( you can't) or stop with the silliness.

The freedom everyone has, to choose to do what they want with their body, a right YOU don't want woman to have...but selfishly bask in it yourself.

The same attitude slave owners had...

Before RvW "choice" was extremely limited, abortions were not legal and resulted in the death and mutilation of many women....did you enjoy that?

Is that what you wish to see again? It seems to be......




Abortion did not, and does not, need "promoting".....it has been around since ancient times and women will NEVER stop seeking them out..

 

You lie in order to call me a liar. In no way would I force a women to give birth. It is just the natural order of things when one becomes pregnant. The one that cuts the spinal chord is the one that is doing what is unnatural. I have NEVER forced ANY women to have sex. When they mutually consented, we always did with a mutual idea for the respect of life and responsibility. You do whatever you want. I'm just calling it what it is....murder.

 

You lie in order to call me a liar. In no way would I force a women to give birth. It is just the natural order of things when one becomes pregnant. The one that cuts the spinal chord is the one that is doing what is unnatural. I have NEVER forced ANY women to have sex. When they mutually consented, we always did with a mutual idea for the respect of life and responsibility. You do whatever you want. I'm just calling it what it is....murder.

 

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Fine, but no one will be arrested ..or tried or incarcerated


You won't understand this but consent to one act is not consent to any other act....you have that right but don't want women to have it....

Yes, by making illegal and harder to get you are forcing some women to give birth EXACTLY LIKE SLAVE OWNERS DID ...

Here's a funny :
You: "" It is just the natural order of things when one becomes pregnant.""

So what is a miscarriage ?

 

Miscarriage is unfortunate, but natural death, unaided by the hands of greedy men and women. How does anyone "force" a women to give birth? Inducing labor can assist but even that, well birth is inevitable when pregnant.. I had a friend die in childbirth last year. Her baby lives as well as the father. Was she a slave too? You have a warped idea as to what family and life is all about. Getting away with murder is not something to wag your fingers about.

 

People should know what their position truly looks like to others. You've characterized mine. Still, looking back on this and the preceding page (assuming that's where your flame baiting charge comes from) and I can't nail the post of mine you reference. Well you didn't reference any just made the charge. In your world that's all you need.

You continue to refuse to answer the question I've asked repeatedly. I get it. The truth would hurt your position and standing in the abortion community but I suspect everyone in that community would choose to not respond at all too, let alone with a yes or no answer.