Abortion is as unjust as slavery. An American historical perspective.

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Emoting about a medical procedure that has nothing whatsoever to do with you is "justified" because you have a "holier than thou moral compass"?

    It is you that wants to turn the clock back to Dred Scott and ENSLAVE women by FORCING them to bear unwanted children and you cannot provide any "moral justification" for doing that to women.
     
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    The strange part of this debate is that anti abortion laws can only effect the poor as a ticket to a nation with legal and safe abortions along with the cost of a safe abortion would more then likely be far less then the care of even a health new born for a year.

    Of course we could always try a ban on all pregnant women foreign travels.
     
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    I suggest that those who do not believe in abortion not have one. It is the most sensible thing to do.
     
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    Good point, wealthy women will have ready access to abortion and poor women will suffer, the Republican game plan.

    Be careful, I wouldn't put it past Trump to ban pregnant women from traveling since he thinks travels bans cure all ills.

    AND he backs Ray Moore who doesn't believe women have the right to run for office.....I always wonder why Republican women are such doormats...


    Seems like Republicans like the idea of women as slaves and nothing more.
     
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    Seems like Republicans like the idea of women as slaves and nothing more.[/QUOTE]


    Been hearing that "slave" bull **** ever since the feminist movement started along with "All sex is rape". Would appear to me that the feminist movement wants to castrate men, and create a matriarch society (as if we didn't have one now), and the "girlie men" will follow their trail of skirts pleading for crumbs. However, while the two sides will never agree, abortion is murder for anyone that claims to be a Christian save in a definite case of saving the life of the mother, not the phony bull **** being used to justify the murder today. How one can murder their unborn child, and then go to communion service, is far beyond my understanding.
     
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    Been hearing that "slave" bull **** ever since the feminist movement started along with "All sex is rape". Would appear to me that the feminist movement wants to castrate men, and create a matriarch society (as if we didn't have one now), and the "girlie men" will follow their trail of skirts pleading for crumbs. However, while the two sides will never agree, abortion is murder for anyone that claims to be a Christian save in a definite case of saving the life of the mother, not the phony bull **** being used to justify the murder today. How one can murder their unborn child, and then go to communion service, is far beyond my understanding.[/QUOTE]

    Your Christian god murders millions of the "unborn" and yet you still go to communion and worship him.
     
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    You'll have to modify your definition of murder. Christians don't believe their God murders anyone. (And that's not just because they believe God has the right to kill)

    Anyway, by your nonsensical logic, every last person who dies would be considered "murdered". Like a baby who dies from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS).
    We're not here to argue "Why do bad things happen to innocent people?", but the point is, the fact that people die doesn't in any way mean it's ok to kill them. You wouldn't try to argue it's ok to kill a born baby because some of them die from SIDS.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    AND he backs Ray Moore who doesn't believe women have the right to run for office.....I always wonder why Republican women are such doormats.
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    Seems like Republicans like the idea of women as slaves and nothing more
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    :) Be interested to know when you think the "feminist movement"" started....( snicker, I bet the 1970's LOL)

    What do you call people whose rights are denied?



    Not all feminists believe that and if you REALLY were the big expert on feminism you'd know that.



    Only in your imagination, you have no proof of that in the real world.




    No, we don't, we have a society run by men and it's a Big Fat MESS...




    Sexist misogynists ALWAYS use feminine words to insult someone.....they think "acted like a man " is a compliment !!!
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    BTW, WHAT do NON "girlie men" do ? Grab women 's asses, grab their genitals, grope and kiss them whether they want to or not?

    Have sex with female CHILDREN??

    Those CHILDREN YOU ARE SO WORRIED ABOUT!!!!

    Are THOSE your big "he" men?


    Are these "he men" so FRIGHTENED of women that they want to deny women the right to even run for office (like the pig Moore)

    How one can advocate for war ( which slaughters children and pregnant women), advocate for hate, see priests rape children and look the other way, constantly denigrate women as it they were nothing but slaves and receive communion and act like they're so good is beyond common decency and beyond my understanding.
     
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    No, but it's OK to kill a fetus because it has no rights..... The End ....:nana:
     
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    Christians worship their god who kills both the living and the "unborn" and mercilessly tortures the dead who failed to worship him.
     
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    To what are you referencing? Miscarriages?
     
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    I'll change his statement to my version: ""Christians worship their god who kills both the living and the "unborn" (through miscarriages and pregnant women's death) and mercilessly tortures the living .
     
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    And women want to play God.
     
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    How is that any different to antiabortionists playing god?
     
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    Women do NOT want to play god, they want the same rights YOU have....that's not playing god..

    .....trying to take away women's rights like the Anti-abortionists do IS playing god.
     
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    It's not a "womensrightsissue" it's a human rights issue. You can make the libertarian argument that it's my body and you can't tell me what to do. Fine but you can make the same argument to support legalizing all drugs but for some reason there is no taxpayer funded organization advocating the use of heroin, And people don't go to jail for having an abortion. They do for using and selling drugs. It's a selfish act except for people who can't afford to have a baby. Then it's a necessary evil. But it has nothing to do empowering women. It's does empower many men to force their partner to have an abortion because he doesn't want to be responsible for the kid even when she wants to.
     
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    NO, people who use drugs are NOT forced to use their bodies to sustain the life of another.....it is not a matter of being told what to do.


    They may if Anti-rights people have their way.



    Irrelevant.



    DO please show where being selfish is against the law. Being selfish is how humans survived...Please don't tell me you 've never done anything selfish in your life.





    Only to those who consider it evil.



    Yes, it does, it empowers them to have the same control over their bodies as men.


    NO, it doesn't.....forcing someone to have an abortion is against the law. And forcing them to gestate a baby is against the law and equally as repugnant.
     
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    Dred Scott was a person.

    A fetus is not a person.

    Thread Fail.
     
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    Some people back then believed that Dred Scott was not really a human being.

    If you can believe that.
    Maybe a century from now people will look back and wonder how people could have ever believed the unborn weren't really people.
     
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    What some people think and what was accepted as law are two different things...
     
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    Ya.....and ??? so ???? Right now the law and common sense says they aren't. And women's rights are preserved.


    Maybe a century from now people will look back and wonder why weird people wanted to punish women for having sex with forced gestation and think, "How ignorant and barbaric!"
     
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