Abortion Is Inimical To Moral Law

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  1. mswan

    mswan Well-Known Member

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    The Catholic Church has been far too patient with Pelosi. It's about time she, and others like her, have to choose whether they are true Christians, or killers of babies.


    https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/...ed-to-holy-communion-due-to-abortion-support/

    San Francisco Archbishop: Pelosi ‘Not to be Admitted to Holy Communion’ Due to Abortion Support

    “A Catholic legislator who supports procured abortion, after knowing the teaching of the Church, commits a manifestly grave sin which is the cause of most serious scandal.”

    "The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: “Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law”
     
  2. FoxHastings

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    :roflol::roflol:

    Yet the Catholic Church hides, defends, protect their priests who RAPE CHILDREN....the church forgot to look in the mirror..

    I fault Pelosi , and any other Catholic, for not quitting this evil entity
     
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    mswan Well-Known Member

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    There is a difference between having high moral standards we sometime fail to live up to, as with some Christian clergy, and having no moral standards at all, as with most atheist baby killers.
     
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    We have ethics. If you want to shed a small part of your ignorance, read a medical ethicist.

    A large majority, even a lot of Republicans, want to keep Roe v Wade, and almost none of them are atheists.

    They're not babies, you don't get to rewrite law or science, much less both.

    But aside from being completely wrong again...
     
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    Nice try...but fail. Atheist 'morals' are subjective and change every time they want to do something else perverted.
     
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    LOL, EVERYONE'S "morals" are as ephemeral as farts in the wind...witness the Catholic Church...their "morals" change every time they want to do something else perverted.... as in raping children...
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    :roflol::roflol:

    Yet the Catholic Church hides, defends, protect their priests who RAPE CHILDREN....the church forgot to look in the mirror..

    I fault Pelosi , and any other Catholic, for not quitting this evil entity

    Your defense of CHILD RAPISTS NOTED.
     
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    If you're going to have delusions, they really ought to be more fun than this.

    Most aren't atheists, even among medical ethicists.

    You've never read the relevant texts from medical ethicists, legal theory, or even the philosophical roots that underly formal ethics.

    Wow, you accidentally lurched into the general vicinity of the truth. Well done!
     
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    The Church has NEVER considered rape of children to be consistent with Christian values. Most atheists totally approve of killing babies in the womb.
     
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    Meaning, taxpayers whose bombs kill indiscriminately?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    LOL, EVERYONE'S "morals" are as ephemeral as farts in the wind...witness the Catholic Church...their "morals" change every time they want to do something else perverted.... as in raping children...


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    OH? Is that why they PROTECTED, HID, DEFENDED, and MOVED child rapists to different parishes (AKA FRESH RAPING FIELDS)

    WOW Those "christian values" are quite strange...;) ;) Almost NONEXISTENT !!!!



    There are no "babies" in the womb and many believers uphold the rights of women.....


    And atheists are not CHILD RAPERS...
     
  12. mswan

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    Ethics and morality are very different things. Morality is based on objective natural law, ethics is determined by whatever a group wants to accept as good and bad I have no interest in nor respect for liberalism's changing ethics.


     
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    You need a refresher course in reading comprehension.
     
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    Lets say that you could outlaw abortion. For the sake of discussion, I will give you unlimited money and manpower.

    How would you enforce abortion laws?
     
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    I don't have any desire to outlaw abortion. I want people involved to take responsibility for protecting the sacredness of human life, and make moral decisions.
     
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    And how would you have government protect the sacredness of human life?
     
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    Catholics violate the "moral law" all the time. If not, there would be no confession. What makes Nancy so irredeemable?
     
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    If she were forced to choose, we know what she would choose.
     
  19. mswan

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    You're right, she's already chosen.
     
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    I would never depend on government to protect the sacredness of human life, government will always cater to the least moral members of our society. If they get it right it's purely by coincidence.

    I agree with Martin Luther King, Jr. that “One has not only a legal, but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”
     
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    I don't think I'll accept the moral authority of an institution that has done things like declare crusades, oppose sexual pleasure in general, oppose contraception, burn heretics, and shield/enable pedophiles to protect their institution even in modern times. Well to be honest the only authorities I recognize are science and logic. But if I had to choose a moral authority, the catholic church would be far down on the list next to Putin.

    I don't think you're talking about a monolithic group, but I haven't noticed changes in the principles, only an unsteady encroachment of the same principles on medieval religious norms. The usual principle is that morality is defined by harm to others. So the complicated part is defining harm, and in the case of abortion, others. The fetus isn't an "other" at conception because it has no mind. I like the principle of harm to others better than the desires of an imaginary all-powerful being as imagined by bronze age philosophers.
     
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    A fetus is a human life with unique DNA from the instant of conception.
     
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    The Catholic Church is an abortion of the ideals and words of Jesus Christ.
     
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    Then why did God kill them then?
     
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    Ask Him, be as brave as Job.
     
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