Abortion is lower in regions with liberal abortion laws

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  1. Bowerbird

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...anged-abortion-rights/?utm_term=.ffcdcc36b0c0

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    similar to the use of porn - while "moral Christianity" is alleged to be the prevailing religious/social outlook in red states, it remains a fact that those areas have higher divorce, illegitimacy, abortion, and porn use rates
     
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    It is all there in the OP including a link to the entire article
     
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    Yes, yes it does.

    Safe abortion estimates were based largely on official statistics and nationally representative surveys. Unsafe abortion estimates were based primarily on information from published studies, hospital records, and surveys of women.

    I'll help translate that for you.

    In countries where abortion is legal, they had actual abortion numbers to go off of.

    In countries where abortion is illegal, and no such actual abortion numbers exist, they guessed.
     
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    They extrapolated

    There is a difference

    But let us look at the experience here and in the UK where abortion was technically illegal but performed openly and commonly

    Until last year Queensland had not one but three laws on its criminal code relating to abortion. The federal government actually funded the procedure that is commonly done for abortions, the D&C so we know how many women were having D&Cs what was unclear is how many of those were for conditions other than abortion

    What we DO know is that Marie Stopes was openly operating abortion clinics here and that our rate of D&Cs were the same or slightly higher than states where abortion was legal

    England abortion is technically illegal

    Law makers have a choice you either make it completely illegal under all circumstances and risk women dying or you add a codicil “for the life and health” and as soon as you add that codicil you can throw the rest of the legislation out of the window because it the. Comes down to a decision between the woman and her medical officer
     
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    They guessed.

    There is no way to have actual numbers of abortions in countries where abortion is illegal.

    How many abortions are there in El Salvador.
     
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    Oh I see you'd like us to use an amalgamation of global guesses.

    Except that doctors can't tell the difference between an abortion and a miscarriage.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/10/how-many-women-die-illegal-abortions/572638/

    However, most doctors can’t tell the difference between a miscarriage and an abortion induced by misoprostol, so they would occasionally report genuine miscarriages as abortions. In instances where police have searched a woman’s house and found a fetus, they have sometimes brought charges against her. Oberman says 129 women have been charged in this way, and about 36 have been charged with homicide and sentenced. Fewer than five of the 129, she estimates, were actual abortions.

    Ok, let's count the numbers.

    200 women are suspected of dying to abortion each year in El Salvador. If it's the same 5 out of 129, who actually knows how many of them died while miscarrying.

    Besides, 200 women in a country with a population of 6.5 million?

    You're more likely to be killed by a coconut in El Salvador than an illegal abortion.
     
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    They gaze into the crystall ball.

    Amazing how they don't ask the most basic questions, isn't it?

    The main thing killing El Salvadoran women is body mass index.
     
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    This is only Misoprostol. Does NOT include surgically induced abortions

    Are you REALLY advocating FOR women who have had miscarriages being charged with criminal charges?

    You missed this bit

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/10/how-many-women-die-illegal-abortions/572638/
     
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    No, it didn't kill them.

    It accounted for approximately 5 of the 129 women charged being actual abortions instead of miscarriages.

    Did you read the part where it says they can't tell the difference between an actual abortion and a miscarriage? Probably not.

    No, but then, unlike leftists, I'm not advocating for El Salvadoran mass migration into the US.

    200 annual deaths due to abortion in El Salvador.

    Sounds like a real scourge.
     
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    We already covered the part where you have no idea how many abortions are taking place in countries where it is illegal.

    What parts of the world? The Congo?

    I thought your "institute" claimed abortion rates were higher in countries where it was illegal?
     
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    :lol I just read a study saying that teen pregnancy rates drop significantly at age 20!
     
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    I liked these two quotes from the same "institute".

    She literally contradicted her own OP, with her own source.

    A recent study from the Guttmacher Institute, however, questions the role of restrictions. It found that countries with more liberal abortion laws tend to have lower rates of abortion -- perhaps due to factors like greater access to contraception.

    According to the Guttmacher Institute, abortion rates in countries where abortion is legal are similar to those in countries where it’s illegal.


     
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    In Canada, there are no abortion laws and their rate of abortion is about the same as the US,,,maybe slightly lower...there's some "statistics" for you..

    Maybe you don't really want to know how countries fare with illegal abortion??
     
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    One estimates knowing that it will be probably be more than the estimates
     
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    Guttmacher has multiple research studies

    And yes it can depend on how it is calculated

    But let us look at another source

    https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream...d=6AB4399DD62F0512BB6ED6173FFF7D8E?sequence=1
     
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    No reasonable person would see this claim as anything but misleading and false.
     
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