Abortion is "the same as killing a child"???

Okay....hypoheticals-

A. A woman has a gun pointed at the head of a 5 year old and is about to pull the trigger....do you physically attempt to stop her? Yes or No?


B. A pregnant woman has an RU-486 pill in her hand and is about to swallow it....do you physically attempt to stop her? Yes or No?


Are your answers the same? If they are NOT "the same"....then those scenarios are NOT "the same"....are they???

 

Or even better, if killing a fetus is the same as killing a born child then why do so many pro-lifers make a rape exception?

We don't kill born kids just because their dads were rapists, so why is it ok to kill the unborn in their view even though their dads were rapists?

 

Because according to them a woman raped does not consent to sex, though what this has to do with the zef eludes me, the zef cannot be held responsible for the actions of the rapist .. those pro-lifers who adhere to this thinking are hypocritical, another thing they seem to overlook is IF this were ever to become part of law there would be a massive increase in rape claims against men.

The whole thing for me though on consent is that not one single pro-lifer has been able to explain how consent to one person for an action can be implied, or otherwise, consent to another person (as pro-lifer thinking) for a separate action. They may certainly argue that sex leads to a risk of pregnancy and as such a woman should accept the consequences of that action .. She may very well give implied consent (I don't agree with that assumption) for the ova and sperm to combine, that does not imply that she consents to that fertilized ova implanting itself into her uterine wall .. that is a separate and distinct action from the sexual intercourse being forced by a separate individual (as per pro-life thinking), that is one of the many problems with the 'person at conception' ideology that most pro-lifers haven't even considered.

 

That DOES trip up the "rape/incest exception" folks. They are forced to plea "Well, those are traumatic events on the woman"....and then they hit the slippery slope like an Olympic ski jumper.

But my point here is more basic....they CLAIM that the five year old...or the five week old fetus are "the same" on a moral, ethical, "human being" level.

So let's see them answer my question....directly, no dodges, no filibusters, or talk of late-term abortion (since that's not what RU-486 is used for).

Let's see if they believe ...what they say?

 

I'd like to add something to your original OP if I may.

If a pro-lifer did force a woman to stop in both circumstances would they want the woman in both cases to be tried and convicted of attempted murder?

First-degree attempted murder carries greater penalties and often means a life sentence with the possibility of parole.

 

A follow-up question.....but FIRST....let's see if any of them even TRY to answer the OP directly.

I'm thinking they won't. Even the very rabid "pro-life" extremists seem to balk at this kind of interventionist hypothetical....thus proving they DO see a DIFFERENCE between the five year old child and the five week old fetus. But naturally...they are loathe to admit it, as it contradicts their continuous rhetoric.

 

I sure like and agree with your thought process, and in MY opinion, that's right, just my opinion, I feel that ALL abortion is against the will of our Creator. If He doesn't want a life to be created by two willing or unwilling partners, He can certainly, again in MY opinion, prevent the fertilization process. I do believe that He is all-knowing and all-powerful, so this concept of mine is certainly well-within His capability. Killing of any human being, at any stage of its development or actual life, goes against His will. Just read the 10 Commandments.

 

i hate the hypotheticals…
look i've come to terms with a lot of things…
abortion when viewed from the fact that life is cheap and not that important anymore, makes sense..

think about it…if we are nothing…no god no life after death…sin is something no one gets in trouble for unless caught by the law…

who cares if you kill fetuses…kill em and eat them..open up a fast food restaurant selling human fetus on satay sticks…
nothing matters..there is no god…we are nothing….the fetus is nothing…what if it can be sold and someone could make money from it as in food…maybe they are tasty…

who cares…hypothetically if they tasted good would you eat satay fetus..it's just another meat

 

Silly comparison. RU-486 is a pill for very early pregnancies, before the child has shown the vital signs of human life.

 

horribly moot. Yes, they Do SeE a DiFfErEnCe, but why does that matter? What you're saying is essentially that either there is no difference between a five year old and a twenty year old, or it's okay to kill one of them. ^_- There is no internal logical consistency to your silly points.

 

I've noticed a bit of hypocrisy on this particular line of thinking. Please tell me why if it's gods will that every fetus become a life and pro lifers will beat the drum of we shouldn't interfere with gods plans, they will celebrate and encourage couples who can't conceive naturally to spend thousands at fertility clinics to get pregnant. Are they convinced that when couples can't get pregnant naturally god has just made a mistake? Why the double standard. It seems to me that if your argument is that every fetus is gods plan then why do they slap god in the face and say I don't think so when he decides a certain couple shouldn't reproduce? Maybe god knows more than us and he doesn't want some couples to reproduce but we will celebrate their telling god to go screw himself as they head to the fertility clinic.

 

That is a well thought out answer from a religious perspective .. though it does beg the question .. If god wants the life to be created then he can also stop the abortion process if he wants to, so the question is why doesn't he?

 

You raise a very well-thought-out question. I hadn't even given this any consideration, so let me try to answer you. Let's say a couple has been trying for some time, maybe even years, to conceive, but just cannot. Here the dilemma arises. Would God want the to just keep on trying, or to say to themselves that it is just not meant to be? I think I would favor the first path, as that could be one's way of telling God that while you sort of understand some reluctance on His part, you still feel deeply that you both want and need your own children in your life, and that you are gong to exert every effort you can think of to make this happen. At the same time, one might think that if God still doesn't want it to happen, he can still prevent it, and at some point, you will have to take this failure to conceive as His way of telling you no. With difficulties in conceiving, couples will have to struggle with these decisions for some time, but with God's help and their ultimate cooperation, I believe God's will can be done over time.

 

You certainly ask a valid question. About the only answer I can come up with is that He doesn't want to stop a free-will decision of His children. This decision is their choice, and the responsibility for it lies with them. If He had intervened, that would have been the taking away of His children's free will.

 

Abortion is exactly the same...as killing a child. The difference is our relationship or our ability to "connect" with that child. For instance...do we feel the same when a bright honor student is killed as opposed to a down syndrome child? If a strangers child and my child were both in danger---which one would I save first? Human beings are flawed in that we tend to put different values on life according to what benefit they offer us and according to how emotionally attached we are..

 

Then the next question will be .. who are we to decide above and beyond god that abortion should be legal or not. Will those who have one not have to account to a higher judgement at some point, and isn't that what freewill is all about.

 

If god wants you pregnant then he'll make that happen no need for fertility treatments. Any couple taking fertility treatments can not possible believe that god knows best. Let's not try to have it both ways either the argument is sound and works both directions or it should be tossed away with all the other nonsense.

 

and with all of the above I agree (apart from the exactly the same as killing a child part) .. hence why I have stated, and stand by the statement, that human life only has as much value as another places upon it.

 

God tells us to "do not murder". Killing a fetus because its an inconvenience, isn't wanted or is too much of a responsability....is murder. Killing your kids for those reasons....also murder.

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Well....gosh, we agree. Thank you for not avoiding the fact..that it is human life.

 

have never avoided the fact that it is human life, no need to, biology proves it is human life.

 

An individual life?

 

And this addresses none of the points I made... so I'm interested why?

 

Good luck getting a straight answer to that.

Don't hold your breath waiting for one though.

 

Your points are nonsensical. That is the point. Christians do not believe it is ok to murder. That is why they are against abortion. You are bringing up something....that is not relevant and ignoring what is.

 

Congratulations you have totally ignored my points again... so I'm interested in your blabbing why?