Abortion-----------the ultimate abuse of women

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Forcing women to remain pregnant byt making abortion illegal is abuse.....pregnancy causes more harm to a woman's body than abortion.....
     
  2. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thousands of women have died because of abortion.
     
  3. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Birth is natural. Abortion is not.
     
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    Thousands died when abortions were illegal.

    Now deaths from abortion are much less than deaths from pregnancy.

    Making it a legal medical procedure made it safe, safer than pregnancy.



    Now , care to address the post of mine you quoted:

    """""""No, most women feel nothing but relief.....women can use abortion for birth control if they feel like it, it's not against the law..

    Many mature women have abortions so there is NO "when they mature".....

    abortion does not cause infertility but pregnancy can...there is no damage in a safe legal abortion, it's a medical procedure...""""""""
     
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  5. FoxHastings

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    Pregnancy and giving birth may be "natural" but they still do harm and damage to women's bodies....


    Being "natural" doesn't mean it can't be changed.

    Cancer is natural, it's part of nature and people have tumors removed all the time.


    Abortion is no different than a NATURAL miscarriage.



    The worst abuse is having the right to your own body taken away.
     
  6. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Abortion is caused by the most evil people on earth, abortion doctors. There must be a special place in Hell for abortion doctors in the deepest darkest hottest part ------------right next to Hitler and Stalin.
     
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    Nah. Abortion is great.
     
  8. hoosier88

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    Death is also natural. Before antibiotics, post-partum infection & sepsis was a killer (& BTW, more & more of our antibiotics are useless or near useless - too many severe side effects. Unless we get that pipeline up & running again, & soon, we'll have childbirth deaths galore again. & optional surgery will become a thing of the past. & so on - a different topic, I'm sure.)

    On safety - see https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-states

    "SAFETY OF ABORTION

    • "A first-trimester abortion is one of the safest medical procedures and carries minimal risk—less than 0.05%—of major complications that might need hospital care.[9]
    • "Abortions performed in the first trimester pose virtually no long-term risk of problems such as infertility, ectopic pregnancy, spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) or birth defect, and little or no risk of preterm or low-birth-weight deliveries.[10]
    • "Exhaustive reviews by panels convened by the U.S. and UK governments have concluded that there is no association between abortion and breast cancer. There is also no indication that abortion is a risk factor for other cancers.[10]
    • "Leading experts have concluded that among women who have an unplanned pregnancy, the risk of mental health problems is no greater if they have a single first-trimester abortion than if they carry the pregnancy to term.[11]"
    (My emphasis - more @ the URL - very informative.)

    Still looking for the stats on the number of spontaneous miscarriages/abortions - I'll put that up, when I find it.
     
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    Here we go. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion#Spontaneous

    "Spontaneous abortion, also known as miscarriage, is the unintentional expulsion of an embryo or fetus before the 24th week of gestation.[28] A pregnancy that ends before 37 weeks of gestation resulting in a live-born infant is known as a "premature birth" or a "preterm birth".[29] When a fetus dies in utero after viability, or during delivery, it is usually termed "stillborn".[30] Premature births and stillbirths are generally not considered to be miscarriages although usage of these terms can sometimes overlap.[31]

    "Only 30% to 50% of conceptions progress past the first trimester.[32] The vast majority of those that do not progress are lost before the woman is aware of the conception,[26] and many pregnancies are lost before medical practitioners can detect an embryo.[33] Between 15% and 30% of known pregnancies end in clinically apparent miscarriage, depending upon the age and health of the pregnant woman.[34] 80% of these spontaneous abortions happen in the first trimester.[35]

    "The most common cause of spontaneous abortion during the first trimester is chromosomal abnormalities of the embryo or fetus,[26][36] accounting for at least 50% of sampled early pregnancy losses.[37] Other causes include vascular disease (such as lupus), diabetes, other hormonal problems, infection, and abnormalities of the uterus.[36] Advancing maternal age and a women's history of previous spontaneous abortions are the two leading factors associated with a greater risk of spontaneous abortion.[37] A spontaneous abortion can also be caused by accidental trauma; intentional trauma or stress to cause miscarriage is considered induced abortion or feticide.[38]"

    (My emphasis - More @ the URL)

    So No - @ 30% of conceptions progress past the first trimester, normal pregnancy to term is the outlier. The ball's in your court.
     
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    :roflol: :roflol::banana:

    LOL! OHHHH , how meaningful.....NOT.....I guess when you have no facts to back up your crap you need to rant a lot ....what did you hope to accomplish with that laughable post ???


    How do doctors "cause" abortions ? :roflol: Only doctors have sex? I see you completely disregard the woman's part in all of it.....you just don't see women as very important , do you?



    The worst abuse is having the right to your own body taken away.
     
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    It is the irresponsible men and women that dont take precaution against pregnancy, especially the men that abandon the women to the killer abortion doctors. They say------------aw gee your pregnant ----------well if you dont want to have the baby have and abortion, and live with the fact you killed your unborn child for the rest of your life. Now that is the ultimate abuse.
     
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    OMGAWD! How many times are you going to repeat that crap.....you've been shown by many posters that you are so wrong...

    You can't even see that you're opinion, that abortion should be banned, is EXACTLY the SAME as the any man who FORCES a woman to get an abortion....




    The ultimate abuse is having the right to your own body taken away....which is what YOU advocate....and you haven't EVER proven you don't..



    Can you address the questions you were afraid of and couldn't face?

    """LOL! OHHHH , how meaningful.....NOT.....I guess when you have no facts to back up your crap you need to rant a lot ....what did you hope to accomplish with that laughable post ???


    How do doctors "cause" abortions ? :roflol: Only doctors have sex? I see you completely disregard the woman's part in all of it.....you just don't see women as very important , do you?""
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The truth is worth repeating. Is the truth bothering you?
     
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    I think Planned Parenthood already covers that in the pamphlet :)
     
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  15. FoxHastings

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    What "truth" do you think is bothering me? I haven't seen any truth from you.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The truth here is abortion is murder!!!!!!!!!!!! IMO anyone that doesnt believe that is morally bankrupt.
     
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    No, abortion is not murder. If you think it is WHY haven't you called the police to report all these "murders"?


    I am SOOOOOO glad you think I'm morally bankrupt...any approval from you would get me seriously examining my self for flaws and bad character.


    ...and your misogyny shines through.......you think all women who had abortions are morally bankrupt....
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No I go back to the title of the thread. I feel a large percentage of women are forced in to abortion by men that have abused them. THEY are the ultimate abusers of women.
     
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    No, the ultimate abusers are those who want to take away women's rights, that would be the Anti-Choicers.


    Now, show your stats on how many women are forced to have abortions.....


    ...and then show how forcing women to give birth is any different, force is force and BOTH are abuse.


    AGAIN: If you think abortion is murder why haven't you called the cops to report it?

    Why can't you answer that question?? Don't you think murder is bad? Shouldn't you do the right thing and REPORT IT?????????????
     
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    Well PROVE your feelings. I feel the giants are going to win the superbowl...I just feel it. LOL
     
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