Abortionists killing babes after birth? Infanticide okay?

Uh, who has said anything about "changing human nature"? Those are your words and not mine.

I agree. Statism is the greatest disease humanity has ever seen.

Most abortions occur as a result of "sleeping around". Everybody knows this and it should not be controversial or shocking to anyone.

Those are in the minority. However, my point remains that I do not really care about the abortion in itself. I am convinced abortion rates would be brought down to zero if "sleeping around" did not exist.

 

Wrong.

 

Because monks and priests are the foundation of a thriving society? That's got to be one of the cutest things ...

 

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Humans have been building functioning societies since there were humans...all the while having lots of sex .

Denial of history does not make me "wrong".

 

Even if that were true, sleeping around is not a crime … people who sleep around still have rights....it is wrong to take away rights because someone does something one doesn't approve of or is envious of.


...and the facts of human history show without a doubt that attempts to stop "sleeping around" are futile, humans do what humans have always done and it's quite egoistical to say one can change that.

That was in reply to my : "You seemed to insist abortion was caused by sleeping around and I corrected that mistake."

In the sentence above you say the opposite, "Most abortions occur as a result of sleeping around".

That doesn't make sense.

IF you do not care about the abortion itself then why would you want the abortion rate brought down at all ??????????

 

What do you mean "even if that were [sic] true", does that mean you agree with me or that you don't agree with me?

And once again you make hefty conclusions, claiming I stand for things I have never expressed any support for what so ever. Where did I claim people who "sleep around" do not have rights? Where did I ask to take away anyone's rights?

Additionally, what you wrote above is a very lame attitude to have when you are an active member at a discussion board because with that attitude, it is not worthy discussing or addressing any issues at all - "Racism has always existed, so why fight it?", "Rape has always existed, so why oppose it?" etc etc.

You claimed that "Humans have been building functioning societies since there were humans...all the while having lots of sex" which is an incorrect statement since it took centuries for our kind to realise settling down, peace-making, agriculture and co-operation was preferable over moving around, war and stealing.

"Society building" is, relatively speaking, a new concept.

Because I care about women.

 

Nope, sleeping around can not be compared to racism and rape.....that's an extreme and inaccurate view.

That does not negate ""Humans have been building functioning societies since there were humans...all the while having lots of sex""

Nope.

uh, what does that have to do with "IF you do not care about the abortion itself then why would you want the abortion rate brought down at all ?""


If women want an abortion they should have the right to have one.

Women can take care of themselves, they have that right, they are not little helpless victims needing your "care".


If you really care then push for safe, effective, long lasting birth control that has no side effects whatsoever and is free or affordable to the poorest women.

Push for more funding for entities that aid children like Welfare, WIC,SNAP, free healthy school lunches, etc.

Push to keep abortion safe and legal and affordable and accessible....because women have always wanted or needed abortions and always will.

If you care then fight those who want to ban abortions which will have a detrimental effect on women.

 

That is not what I said, <Rule 2/3>

It does because the statement saying that "humans have been building functioning societies since there were humans" is an incorrect one.

A lot, <Rule 2/3>

Have I said they should not?

Have I said they cannot?

No, I will not pay for other women's birth control, that is just a ridiculous and rather disgusting demand.

No, we need less of those since those are, quite obviously, dysfunctional by nature and since they create awful incentives that put both mothers and their children in danger.

Yes. Abortion should be legal and it should be handled by the free market and not by the government. This is exactly what I am saying.

That is exactly what I am doing by engaging in the debate on here.

 

Could you show exactly where I said you should pay for it? You can't because I didn't.

So caring for children is not your thing either....some do grow into women whom you claimed you cared for... <Rule 3>

Then maybe you should have been clearer.

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Yes, you did:
"[Push for] safe, effective, long lasting birth control that has no side effects whatsoever and is free or affordable to the poorest women."

That is code-language for "increase taxes" and if you claim it is not, you are either a liar or someone who has zero clue about how the economy works.

No, I care about children and women which is why I am asking for less government interference in their lives.

This means that all of those things you were saying about "Liberty" and "a woman's right to her own body" were - quite clearly - nothing but aimless cliches with no foundation in neither your principles nor your ideals. Because, quite clearly, your wish is to raise taxes, so that the goverment can increase in size to then throw both "Liberty" and "a woman's right to her own body" out the window in the name of "free contraceptives" and "affordable abortions".

Quite clearly, you think that the government is more powerful and more free than the individual woman. Quite clearly, the only Liberty and Choice that you believe in is that of the government's. Quite clearly, you wish to politicise both the unborn and the pregnant because, quite clearly, you think a Congress(wo)man knows more about the sitatuion of an individual woman than the individual woman herself.

You are a Statist and as I already declared in one of my previous posts, the biggest problem with abortion is that the matter has been hijacked by Statists whose only intention is to increase the size of the government and minimise Individual Liberties in return.

As a true Liberal, these are ideas I cannot stand behind and these are ideas that I, as a True Liberal, will continue to fight against until they disappear from the surface of Earth.

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See post 1167 to Iron - who - did pass the kindergarten test.

I am thinking perhaps you misunderstood or misread the test. The question is "which one is not like the others". The three pictures are - Man - APE- Zygote (single human cell)

 

Trick question: Either all are the same or all are different. At least from my point of view.

 

Of course all are different - that is the purpose of the exercise. The question could be better rephrased "which one is least like the others"

 

So your high ideals fly out the window if you are asked to support them...ok.
BTW, "push" and "pay for" are different and I never asked you to "pay for" anything anywhere in any post.

Even when they need food, shelter,clothing, a home?

It appears you only "care" enough to want to impose your ideas on them but not really support them and their needs.

Sorry, that was such a rambling garbled mess that I just can't care enough to respond.




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I like how you just ignore what Trump is doing for the pro life community.

These laws and issues of abortion are decided in our court system. Unless I become a lawyer overnight there is not a whole lot more I can do. . I don't mean that in a defeated sense of the word - it's just fact. The supreme court has decided that women have the right to abort their own children, and all this blood, quite literally is on their hands (and all the people that back them as well). Other things I do? Protest at the local abortion clinic about 4-5 hours a week. Work on changing peoples hearts.

Was Roe v Wade as authentic as everyone on the left wanted it to be? No, it was manufactured by the abortion advocates in an effort to dupe the American people. You should read what Roe has to say on the matter. I will go a bit farther than that. The American people have been exploited by the abortion industry.

As far as my in action or action? Well, I've been doing this debate stuff for less than three months. For the past three years I've been out of the political game, only recently did I jump back in to fight for what I believe in. I have never advocated for my pro life position before, ever in my life, but I think it is time to stand up for noble causes. Yes, I think the idea of protecting innocent defenseless children from DEATH is a noble cause.

As far as the abortion rate not changing in some nations - the facts are skewed. Of course the abortion rate would fall dramatically if abortion were outlawed. Abortions are not like a cocaine or heroin addiction. They just want you to believe the rate wouldn't fall to support their narrative that "legal" abortion is safe, effective and a "requirement" of modern society. Couldn't be farther from the truth.

 

Actually, the overwhelming majority of women who get abortions are unmarried.
The #1 reason for getting an abortion? No reason at all! They just dont want it.
When hearts grow that cold you know we are all in for a "bad" time. Reasons for abortion are not reasons at all. They are excuses. Accountability doesn't exist in the mind of a true democrat! The liberal left IGNORES accountability, because sex without consequences is far more important than the life of your unborn child.

Women have been convinced by PP that abortions are safe, accepted and morally, the right thing to do. Yes thats right, the people killing the unborn child have the moral high ground. And this school of thought originated with Margaret Sanger (satan first, then Ms. Sanger). Was Ms. Sanger sexually promiscuous?

We know she was a socialist and blatantly un-american...

 

YAYYYY! You got ONE thing right....it's nobody's business when a woman gets an abortion!

Congratulations!!!!!!


The rest of your misogynistic diatribe isn't worth responding to.....

 

Yeah the true role model for the left is Sanger. There are no words.



Socialism is very much the worst form of government that exists on this planet, and this catastrophically dangerous ideology has been proven evil on the world stage over and over again, throughout history. It has also lead to some of the most prolific genocides in human history.

 

No. I support my ideas and do not think anyone is forced to support them. Everything I say is fully consistent.

Don't act as if it was not what you were implying.

Yes, the governmemt ought to stay out of all aspects of life.

No, my philosophy is not to impose anything on anyome.

You do indeed seem very confused.

How is that name-calling?

 

I addressed Trump in the first sentence but I was talking about the history of the pro-life movement and their lack of action in the last 45 years if they think a holocaust is happening. They either do not believe their own rhetoric or are morally weak.
WWJD

 

Then what <Mod Edit> do you think government is for?

I take it you don't use a library but you use highways, freeways, roads, streets, and other government supplied infrastructure, water/sewer departments, police, firefighters and rescue, the military, the courts, laws, consumer safety entities, airline/railroad/ vehicle regulations, etc, etc...…...I know there are people, usually righties, who want all that for free....but it doesn't work that way...


The government cannot destroy basic human rights like bodily autonomy, everyone, even women should have that right.

Including your own personal morals? Including your personal definition of "responsible" ?Good....

Only because of you flailing wildly around when a point is made

You need that explained??? Well, that does explain a lot about your posts....

 

The pro life advocates have been fighting against RvW since day ONE. There have been major efforts to overturn RvW and once again outlaw abortion in this nation. Another compelling subject is that of Planned Parenthood selling baby parts (which they have now admitted to).... they were caught on video discussing a potential sale of baby parts. I think this is a valiant effort on behalf of the anti abortion community. I support non violent protests of Planned Parenthood but nothing more and absolutely NO violence.

You do realize this forum has created a category listed as "abortion"? Compelling discussion on a forum may help some of our silent viewers. You never know who might come into your life or who you may influence down the road. This forum serves as a mouthpiece in the fight against abortion. So please don't bring my accomplishments or lack thereof again. We are having an intellectual discussion about the larger issue of abortion and thats it - Im pro life. Unless you want me ask you what have you have done to further the Pro choice cause? How many mothers did you influence to get abortions? And as I mentioned before, Im only about three months into this debate endeavor but doing as much as I can to advocate for the pro life position. You need to give me more time to get completely up to speed.

Point being, debating about my action or in action to the cause does not and should not bar us from having a larger discussion about abortion in general. Main takeway here is I am not hypocritical, my feelings toward abortion are strong and rooted, I will not waver on abortion and morality. The idea that I do not believe my own rhetoric is about as far from the truth as you can get.

Morally weak? You (the left) are he one telling me that morals are subjective, and Im advocating for the preservation of the life of the unborn, and Im the one with weak morals? Perhaps you should tell me what you've done for the pro-choice community other than debate here in the abortion forum? You could try this, for starters:



What would Jesus do? Well if he had been aborted the human race would never be able to escape the judgement of hell. Pro lifers believe in a continuity of personal identity through all stages of life not just from the moment of birth. Jesus gave us life and gave his life for us, making it very clear that Jesus desires to protect and keep each and every one of us. Remember, It's Jesus who gave us the inalienable right to life in the first place, so i suspect if he was living in todays world he would fit like a glove as a conservative republican party. He would be the #1 anti abortion person.





Since Jesus was actually born we can conclude he would follow the ten commandments and that states very clearly thou shall not kill. Since Jesus was sinless, we can infer that he did in fact follow the 10 commandments to the letter.

Since God created the human race, satan has been trying to destroy it. I think we all know which one "protects" and which one "kills" (human life)

 

This is a very good question. Government does not do much good for society at all.

First of all, I have paid for all of these services, so I have the right to use them. Secondly, it is not as if these institutions, goods and services would not exist without government, I mean when was the last time a Congressman built a sewer, a road or worked at a library. Thirdly, all of these questions you are asking have been discussed for centuries in thousands of books and thousands of articles, it is not as if the critique you are raising is unique or new to anyone. Fourthly, most of these things are monopolies, so it is not as if I have alternatives.

You do not know what Libertarianism is and you are just making a fool our of yourself as you are turning yourself into the infamous and laughed out meme of "Who build the roads?"

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Maduro, Chaves, Castro, Kim Jong, Pot, Mussolini and Franco et alt are lolling in their graves. Do you know anything about political history, political philosophy and political ideologies whatsoever?

I am only speaking for myself and sharing what I think would be the ideal. This is a discussion board and not a "impose-your-thoughts-on-others-machine". I am here to discuss and debate, not to impose. I am simply making a case. It is how a debate works.

There cannot be any points if the person making them is pointless.

Haha. Funny.

 

Luckily, this is just a phase. Once these females meet Mr.Right and get pregnant, they will not call that "thing" inside their bellies a parasite ever again.

Already today, I am 100% certain that they cry tears of joy and go "aw" when they see a baby as every woman naturally does.

Edit: Your post in its entirety is one gigantic thumbs up. Best post in this thread so far. Kudos!

 

No one said you didn't have a right to use them...who said that???

And yes you have paid for them with taxes.

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That's a pretty silly statement to make.

No, we don't have an alternative if we expect to be part of society.

...and certainly don't care...

Yes, I see righties as wanting all those benefits for free.....although I'm sure they will all get together and build their own roads and court systems and military and not leech off others ( sarcasm alert).

Thank you for pointing out the others , besides Anti-Choicers, who took away bodily autonomy.

So make a case for something....haven't seen a "case" for anything yet....

Which is probably why I can't find your point....

….and true...