Abortionists killing babes after birth? Infanticide okay?

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  1. Iron_Merc

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    I still dont get it. How is forcing a women to carry a child to term a bad thing?
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    You have to consent to sex before you get pregnant, silly.






    This means your entire argument goes in the trash bin.




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    :) BOTH of those snakes represent evil....:)
     
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    No, I'm sure you don't.
    Rapists don't think forcing women is a bad thing either.





    Uh, women can and do get pregnant from rape.

    Quit believing your Republican senators who think women "shut down" during rape so can't get pregnant....they are stupid, uniformed and wrong.







    Hardly since women who get raped can become pregnant....


    AND whether they can or can't, in rape they were FORCED to do something against their will

    EXACTLY what you are proposing...forcing women to do something against their will.
     
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    Yup, this is all going straight into the rubbish bin. You are equating pro life with rape, yet somehow I am not surprised. The level of deception in the democratic party is beyond words.

    You sound a lot like Margaret Sanger...

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    She also said this, by the way:

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    LOL, embarrassed that you thought raped women couldn't get pregnant !!???

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    AND whether they can or can't, in rape they were FORCED to do something against their will

    EXACTLY what you are proposing...forcing women to do something against their will.""""
     
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    More rubbish. You are trying to conflate the outlawing of abortion with rape.

    Every women makes a choice to have sex, are you forgetting about this?

    If the women chooses to have sex she must accept accountability for her actions.

    You are trying to tell me that accountability is irrelevant, and this is outrageous.

    Lets just kill the kid because that's so much better for the mother in the long run. I consented to sex but I didnt consent to get pregnant! See!!!

    Yeah, and the criminal didnt consent getting arrested, but it still happened. I dont consent to being held in prison!!! see!!!! But he's still in prison.

    Why? Accountability. The liberal left does not want accountability. They want to live in a world where they are out of control with no rules and no regulations, this is called the leftist utopia, and it is a pipe dream.

    This selfish attitude has lead to the slaughter of 60,000.000 innocent children. To say abortion is better than birth is to claim satan is more moral than God.

    And I hope you see now, rape has nothing to do with the illegality of abortion.
     
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    And? The woman is being accountable to herself. She may have medical issues that make carrying to term problematic, she may have mental issues and going off her meds might endanger both herself and the fetus. She may develop high blood-pressure during gestation that makes carrying to term dangerous.

    Sometimes abortion is as heart breaking as w woman having triplets being told that carrying all three to term puts an untenable risk on two of the fetus when a third develops complications.

    You try to fit everyone into this little convenient box so you can climb on some moral high horse and point your finger. Well, life isn't that perfect and YOU will never have to worry about experiencing any of the fear or uncertainty because YOU will never - ever get pregnant. YOU are really irrelevant in the equation. So get back to us when a guy dies of complications of pregnancy.
     
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    And we've spoken about the context of that quote twice now. Shall we make it the trifecta? Sanger was speaking about the infant mortality rate POST birth which went up each time a family added a child. She said what she did to point out that it was far more merciful to just kill the child than make it suffer years of neglect before dying but that doesn't fit with your asinine beliefs so you ALWAYS misquote her.

    But here it is again. complete with percentages.

    Source:
     
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    I never implied Sanger said this as justification for abortion, never implied this was PRE birth. What I intend to say is this is disgusting from any frame of reference. The child is better off living than dead, unless you consider a person 6 feet under to have a great capacity for the enjoyment of life?

    The "kill" mentality started with Sanger and it continues to this very day.
     
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    How is depriving someone of thier right to control what happens to them a good thing?

    Tell me, how far are you willing to go to prevent abortion?

    Would you do what they did in Ireland to the young girl who was raped? Lock her in a mental institution until she had the baby?

    How about the 11 year old in Argentina who was hospitalised and refused an abortion, lied to and fed corticosteroids, put her life at risk as she was physically too young to carry a child and then performed emergency cesarean as the young child’s body failed?

    How far?
     
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    And when it is a choice between the mother living and dying?
     
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    If the women decided on abortion, she would be the one to die, not the baby, if we are talking self accountability. Getting "rid" of the offending issue, in this case the unborn child, is akin to blaming the electrical system for a shock you received, and then ripping out all the wiring in the house to "fix" the problem. Its my house and its MY CHOICE! EVEN IF I HAVE TO LIVE IN THE DARK. Oh the irony.

    In terms of medical issues, sure there are various risks but it would be unfair and foolish to measure the validity of pregnancy based on the mortality rate, Especially considering abortionist enthusiasts have made that plummet since 1973.

    It honestly seems like these people have trouble understanding the ongoing survival of the human species. It's like the term procreation means nothing to them. Look ma! I found a way for the entire human race to collectively commit suicide!
     
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    Whoa!

    If the woman dies so does the baby
     
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    LOL I'll give you that one... that was pretty good
     
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    Save the life of the mother, of course.
    I would have exceptions for rape and incest.
     
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    Why is a “baby” that is the result of rape or incest any less valuable than a baby created any other way?
     
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    Because the mother did not consent to the initial act of sexual intercourse. A mother should not have to carry the weight of a rape through her child from said rapist.
    Then again, the value of each life is the same, and in both cases the innocent child is not at fault for other peoples actions.

    In other words, the baby is still a life and should be treated as such, despite the circumstances.

    Honestly, I am still forming my opinions on this subject. I have only been doing this abortion stuff for about three months. So I am seriously considering absolutely no exceptions based on the mere fact that the children in the womb are not responsible for their parents actions.
     
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    then no.mOre birth control.
     
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    Stop calling a ZEF a child...call it a toddler, you can get more emotional hysteria
     
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    So you would be fine with what happened in Argentina?

    https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/arg...d-undergone-a-c-section-in-tucuman-died.phtml
     
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    The story is complex and weaves many issues into a proper response. Can you please narrow this down for me. I'm also seeing that the story is a bit ambiguous, why was the baby born prematurely? Did the government rule against an abortion? I just don't get it, why would they deliver the baby that many weeks before her natural due date?
     
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    How do you mean?
     
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    Allowing people to kill their own children has a devastating effect on both family and society. The examples you speak of are ultra rare in context. The natural order of life does not include abortion as the means to an end. It includes giving birth as the means to an end. This is what procreation is all about, the male and female have sex and women get pregnant to continue the species.

    It honestly sounds to me like you think carrying a baby full term is unnatural, immoral and unsafe.

    I cant have a proper debate with a person who has that type of mentality. It's about 180 degrees off course.

    By the way, the majority of women who give birth dont regret it.
     
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    Did you follow the link because they lay it out. The girl was 11 living in a remote village she was raped by the grandmothers boyfriend and only discovered she was pregnant when she went to a local clinic. Despite poisoning her with corticosteroids to try and mature the baby’s lungs the baby died. This is not a singular incident. This is happening in many countries throughout the world. I even have a full thread on this here. This is what the pro lifers do not want you learning, The nasty outcomes of abortion restriction
     
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    Nope! In fact there is a scientific correlation between reduced restriction on abortion and contraception and infant and maternal mortality

    And the reason is simple - allow women, and men to control reproduction and you improve birth spacing and improve family economics

    I wish, I truly wish this were so.

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    What I am is far far more knowledgeable than you in relation to hazards of pregnancy, the factors affect maternal and infant mortality and sadly the dishonest information spread by the so called proliferation
     
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