Abortionists killing babes after birth? Infanticide okay?

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LEST WE FORGET

    The Eastern European countries, relatively new to the EU, have the poorest healthcare means, for which those who can afford it will come to the western-European countries.

    French doctors have always gone to various places that were once French possessions, and are now independent countries. But the native-born doctors (of ex-French colonies) come to France for an education and return "home" with their degree. Which simply means that some French-born doctors have settled in these tiny island-countries and practice in French at much lower incomes.

    Dental-care has just been included in the total Healthcare package in France, it being the only EU-country that did not have it until recently. Meaning that the state assumes a very large portion of the cost. Nobody goes broke in Europe from outrageous healthcare costs. And the rich pay just as much for healthcare as do the poorest. (True enough, for the very poor the French hospitals do not sick the dogs on people who did not pay.)

    An most important aspect for the extremely wide difference between US and European Healthcare costs is that no one in Europe gets a degree in Healthcare at the tuition-fees incurred in the US! Which, I suggest, means this: Most doctors in the US spend a very-significant amount of time paying off their loan incurred to obtain their professional-degree. Which is not at all the case in Europe.

    But then, in Europe their yearly income-levels are also significantly lower at $110,000. (The average mean-wage of a GP in the US is $213,270 according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics here - most of which goes first to repaying schooling debt.)


    Yes, I fear that the US will incur massive amounts of death due to the dysfunctional planning of the present PotUS. May he live the rest of his life in infamy because of Covid-19!

    But, lest we forget: If the US had today the National Healthcare System that Hillary promised 3-years ago, what will happen in the US would have been somewhat mitigated by its existence!

    Meaning This: Just when are we going to fix that alarming idiocy of the Electoral College that got Donald Dork elected instead of Hillary Clinton!
     
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  2. LafayetteBis

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    And here as well. No one forces any woman to have an abortion. Nobody! And certainly not her husband!

    If so, here in Europe, should there be any forcible obstruction, she need only make a complaint to the police and they will intervene. (How many have the courage to do so, yes, remains the key question.)

    In terms of a Female Right to Choice, the US was way ahead of the EU. But, that is changing very, very fast. Because when it comes to Essential Care, national-healthcare-services that do not differentiate between sexes is key. And that is what exists here in Europe but is taking more time to truly implement ... !
     
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    ABOUT ABORTION

    From the Gutmacher Institute:
    Women’s Reasons for Having an Abortion

    What you do not seem to understand is that a woman has a fundamental right to do with her body as regards birth whatever she wants but within limits. There is no such entity as a "child" until a fertilized egg becomes actually a human-being. And thus has the fundamental right to live. Which is why there are limits upon the time in which a Rightful Abortion can be done.

    The state has no right whatsoever to prevent an abortion from happening during an embryonic period - and a woman has no right to an abortion if it is before or beyond the confines of the law as stipulated. The typical span of time is 8-weeks (two months) for an embryo to develop to a point where it assumes "childhood" - upon which it becomes a legal-entity in terms of law*.

    See the evolution of abortion (how it has diminished) in the major global countries over the past (2000 to 2015) here - and no state should prevent a woman's right of choice in a matter so fundamental to her own existence. She has the right to refuse an eventuality if she feels unprepared to accept its very considerable impact upon her life - a thought which includes also the consequences to the born child should she be forced by law to avoid the abortion of a fetus ...

    *Different countries have different opinions regarding the length of the "embryonic period of time" (in terms of weeks).
     
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    Which just proves it is all relative. Not really based on objective scientific cut-off points.

    Moral relativism.
     
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    Nope, two months is the absolute maximum in the development of a "child" out of a just a "placenta".

    One has to be a doctor to understand that fact, but it was central (at least in France) to putting the legal abortion cap on 60-days (whereupon Mommy Must Keep the "Baby") ...
     
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