Abortions have been going up, amid pandemic

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here's something that's not been covered much in the news:

    The abortion rate has been going up.

    I wasn't able to find much news coverage, but here are three sources:

    Abortion Demand Rising Amid Pandemic , April 14, 2020

    Dr. Jen Villavicencio, an abortion provider in Michigan, predicts that demand for abortions will continue to increase during the pandemic.
    "I hear it in my patient's voices and questions daily," she said via email. "They're worried about how they will make their rent, feed their family."

    Dr. Meera Shah is chief medical officer of Planned Parenthood Hudson Peconic, which serves New York's northern suburbs. She says her staff is expanding telemedicine as they see an uptick in patients seeking abortions, often convinced that "having a child right now isn't best for them."

    Dr. Anne Davis (an OB-GYN at Columbia University Medical Center in New York) cited one patient who had wanted to be pregnant but requested an abortion when it became clear her medical condition would require multiple hospital visits. Davis said the woman had received comparable treatment during her first pregnancy but decided this time that the hospital wouldn't be as safe.​
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    "How have you and your team observed the coronavirus really impacting the abortion industry and the number of abortions this year?"
    "It's been good, sadly, for the abortion industry, for the abortion industry's bottom line.
    Abortions go up, when fear goes up. And when uncertainty goes up. And 2020 was on overload for fear and uncertainty, and that's when you see abortion numbers go up.
    We've seen the abortion numbers go up in 2020 and many parts of the country. We'll have our final numbers of the abortion rate, for the United States, a rate that has been going down, had it's largest drop in 2019, but 2020... We've seen the abortion industry show who they are also. Planned Parenthood for instance cut out any other service, at many of their locations, except abortion.

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    EWTN Pro-Life Weekly 2020-12-03 | Full Episode
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    This article is from the UK:

    Sharp increase in abortions during lockdown, figures show

    Abortions rose by 25 per cent during lockdown, government figures revealed...

    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) released figures on Thursday showing the number of abortions pregnant women had undergone during the Covid-19 pandemic.

    The data, which covers January to June, shows that April - the first full month of lockdown - saw the sharpest increase, with more than 4,500 more abortions than in April last year: 20,546, up from 16,006.

    However, in May and June this year there were fewer abortions compared with the same months last year.

    The anti-abortion organisation Right to Life UK called the rise in terminations "a national tragedy".

    Sharp increase in abortions during lockdown, figures show (telegraph.co.uk)


    So I guess with people trapped indoors, they don't have much else to do, other than engage in procreative activity that will get them pregnant.
     
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    "procreative activity" ??? LOL that is so funny.....That's what Pence calls it...

    AND WHERE did it say in there, (maybe I missed it), that women are having more pregnancies.....can you show me that part ??
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I thought about making the title of this thread "Fear of virus leads women to abort their babies"

    Dr. Anne Davis (an OB-GYN at Columbia University Medical Center in New York) cited one patient who had wanted to be pregnant but requested an abortion when it became clear her medical condition would require multiple hospital visits. Davis said the woman had received comparable treatment during her first pregnancy but decided this time that the hospital wouldn't be as safe.

    In other words, this woman WANTED to be pregnant, probably intentionally got pregnant, but then she changed her mind and decided to kill the baby when she realized now would not be a convenient time to have the baby.

    Apparently she had some sort of underlying medical condition that would require her to go to make visits to the hospital, if she were pregnant.
    That was not a problem with her previous pregnancy, but now, living in total fear of the coronavirus, she was too afraid to go to the hospital now, where she felt that might increase her risk of contracting the coronavirus.

    And this is an example of how fear spread by the media is literally killing people -- in this case, the preborn.


    I bet that woman is eventually going to get the coronavirus anyway, and then she'll be sorry, when she realizes that she aborted her baby for nothing.

     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We've seen the abortion numbers go up in 2020 and many parts of the country. We'll have our final numbers of the abortion rate, for the United States, a rate that has been going down, had it's largest drop in 2019, but 2020... We've seen the abortion industry show who they are also. Planned Parenthood for instance cut out any other service, at many of their locations, except abortion.

    Also proving that abortion truly is the "steak and potatoes" at Planned Parenthood.
     
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    Appears people have an access of idle time on their hands. :)
     
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    Sounds like a very sensible plan.....kudos to her...




    Yes, getting, and possibly spreading, a deadly disease IS SOMETHING TO FEAR ! DUH




    Uh, wait a minute...didn't you just claim there was nothing to fear, it's all a media scam?

    AND, are you betting or HOPING she gets your "non-existent" disease???




    LOL and OMGAWD! What twisted thinking!!!

    If she gets Covid they BOTH may DIE...and pregnant women who get Covid are more at risk...
     
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    Ya, and then they post silly pointless threads...
     
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    Crap from "Pro-Life WEAKly""…

    Yes, if there are more women wanting abortions then PP will meet the DEMAND. DUH

    NO, it isn't and so what if it is????

    PP gives abortions....is that like Big News????
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Terminate her unborn baby because she might be at a higher chance of contracting the coronavirus, which carries a risk of death less than 0.5% even if she did catch it?

    Yes, I'm sure that's how people on your side actually think.



    70% of world's population likely to contract coronavirus, according to US epidemiologist
    Harvard professor says coronavirus uncontainable but most patients will only display mild symptoms

    70% of world's population likely to contract coronavirus in 2020: US epidemiologist | Taiwan News


    Right now, South Africa is saying that 1 out of 5 of their people have probably had the virus.


    Half of Indians may have had coronavirus by February, government panel estimates
    (Reuters) - At least half of India’s 1.3 billion people are likely to have been infected with the new coronavirus by next February.​

    Half of Indians may have had coronavirus by February, government panel estimates | Reuters


    That woman is very likely to contract the coronavirus eventually, despite her best efforts to avoid it. She paid the price of her baby, sacrificing it, just to avoid having to make a couple visits to the hospital, where - let's be honest - she most likely wouldn't have contracted the virus there anyway.
     
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    YES....and as frustrating as it is for YOU, it's HER choice....and there is nothing you can do about it :)
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A terrible terrible stupid choice. She killed her child growing inside of her practically for nothing!

    And once again, this is proof that women can sometimes change their mind halfway through the pregnancy, for reasons having to do with life circumstances.

    She intentionally decides to get pregnant, yet she still aborts.
     
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    An opinion only....she has a right to HER opinion, the opinion that actually MATTERS :)



    YUPPERS they sure can :)


    YOU do NOT know if it was intentional or not and it doesn't matter anyway....she has that right.

    A pregnant woman, during this pandemic, does NOT want to get Covid nor bring it home to her children or spouse...having to go to doctors and hospitals increases the risk to her and her family...which obviously you don't care about...

    IF she gets Covid and is hospitalized her spouse and family canNOT be with her....even during birth..

    It's a tough decision which YOU will never have to face....
     
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    Her baby can be with her...
     
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    OR DIE WITH HER FROM COVID....that does NOT refute a word of my post.



    she has a right to HER opinion, the opinion that actually MATTERS :)
    YOU do NOT know if it was intentional or not and it doesn't matter anyway....she has that right.

    A pregnant woman, during this pandemic, does NOT want to get Covid nor bring it home to her children or spouse...having to go to doctors and hospitals increases the risk to her and her family...which obviously you don't care about...

    IF she gets Covid and is hospitalized her spouse and family canNOT be with her....even during birth..

    It's a tough decision which YOU will never have to face....
     
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    What are the chances she's going to die from it? I doubt it's even 1%.

    And we weren't even talking about her necessarily contracting the virus. We were just talking about her being at a little bit of a higher risk of contracting it, since she'd have to make several visits to the hospital.

    Just admit it, this woman was gripped by fear. Irrational fear. The numbers do not bear her rationale out.
     
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    Sounds like this is nobody’s business but those having abortions, yeah?
     
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    How cold hearted...don't you value life ??

    People die from Covid...that is a fact despite what your leader wants you to believe...


    You have NO idea if the woman was "gripped by irrational fear"....YOU can't make that claim with any authority whatsoever.

    But AGAIN, despite your best efforts to once again denigrate women it's the pregnant one who decides...:) :nana:

    ..and YU can do NOTHING about it :)
     
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    Another "desperation" thread with no point
     
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    What does it tell you about a society that is aborting more of its offspring due to changing circumstances in that society?

    This has some implications beyond just the issue of abortion.

    I thought pro-choicers were telling us we don't need to worry about abortion because "abortion rates are going down".
     
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    almost 400k have died from Trump's lack of action with his virus response... he likes playing it down

    then there is this....

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    no one said that, if you want fewer abortions, push for free birth control, that is simply the reality of it

    and as most Abortions in the USA are by Christians, can start there
     
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    What implications would those be?

    What this tells me is people are making decision based on their ability to care for another human being. Maybe we need to fix the issues plaguing our society instead of demonizing those who have to make divisions based on those issues.
     
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    It tells us that society is adapting to a deadly pandemic...




    I didn't see any Pro-Choicer saying we don't need to worry about abortions.

    ..and they were going down but now they may be rising because of Covid concerns....so? It's society adapting.


    We only need to worry about those who would ban/restrict abortion so that women lose the right of bodily autonomy...
     
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    I'll bet you this pandemic is killing 10 times more unborn babies than it is killing adult people.

    Probably much larger than that.
     
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    The UNCHERRY PICKED POST :FoxHastings said:
    It tells us that society is adapting to a deadly pandemic...
    I didn't see any Pro-Choicer saying we don't need to worry about abortions.

    ..and they were going down but now they may be rising because of Covid concerns....so? It's society adapting.


    We only need to worry about those who would ban/restrict abortion so that women lose the right of bodily autonomy...


    LOL "I'll bet" and "probably" are not facts or proof of anything.......

    and even if they were so what...the pandemic is still deadly....
     

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