About the Holocaust

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In my previous Post I asked:
    "Do you know of even one homicidal gas chamber and if so where is it?"

    If "many people" were killed in homicidal gas chambers, you would have no trouble pointing out just one of them but since you can't, they must not have existed.

    The only German "gas chambers" were specially built rooms in which old blankets, clothes, mattresses etc were treated with Zyklon B to kill lice and other disease bearing insects.

    The Allies didn't "exploit" the homicidal gas chamber, they invented it for propaganda purposes just like they invented stories about homicidal steam chambers, electrocution chambers and "vaporizers"(1) that could "vaporize" large groups of people.

    Re:
    Yes they do in order to deflect criticism about Israeli crimes against the Palestinians(2), to brainwash future generations(3) and continue extorting money from Germany (4).
    $ Billions are made from telling lies about the holocaust in fictitious Hollywood movies and fraudulent book deals(5)

    Few individuals profited more from lying about the holocaust than Elie Wiesel who charged $50,000 for public speaking engagements and insisted on being driven by a limousine.

    In a stroke of unparalleled irony, the wealthy Wiesel was cheated out of his entire fortune by fellow charlatan, Bernie Madoff.

    So, yes, there is an enormous profit motive to keep the holocaust lies alive and the grisly holocaust theme parks open.

    Re:
    Nonsense, there is absolutely no evidence that there was a genocidal German agenda to wipe out Europe's Jews(6) or other ethnic group in any secret German document of radio transmission.
    If Hitler and the German High Command wanted to wipe out Europe's Jews and Slavs, why did he allow them to serve in Germany's military where they volunteered and in many cases, served with honor? (7)
    If there was some grand plan by Germany's National Socialists to wipe out the Jews, why were Jews among Germany's high ranking Nazis?(8)

    How can you still believe what is probably the most profitable conspiracy theory when the only evidence to support. it is a few contradictory and physically impossible stories like the ones below:

    “Dozens & Dozens of the Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://wolfgangrudolf.blogspot.com/2016/12/dozens-dozens-of-most-outrageous-tales.html

    EXCERPTS:
    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED



    (1) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED

    (2) EXCERPTS "“Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic.....

    And it’s very easy to blame people who criticize certain acts of the Israeli government as anti-Semitic, and to bring up the Holocaust, and the suffering of the Jewish people, and that is to justify everything we do to the Palestinians.”CONTINUED
    Shulamit Aloni
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1906/S00076/dont-be-caught-out-by-the-trick.htm



    (3) "On Remembrance Day, US House overwhelmingly passes Holocaust education bill"
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/on-re...erwhelmingly-passes-holocaust-education-bill/

    EXCERPT "The legislation was widely supported by the organized American Jewish community.

    “We are pleased that the House has taken action today, on International Holocaust Remembrance Day, to ensure that the lessons of the Holocaust will be passed from one generation to the next,” said Jonathan Greenblatt, head of the Anti-Defamation League.
    “We look forward to this law’s swift passage and to working closely with teachers and districts across the country to ensure that Holocaust education is uniform and consistent across the country.”CONTINUED


    (4) "Holocaust Survivors' Children Sue Germany for Therapy Fees"
    https://www.haaretz.com/1.4952800

    EXCERPT "Suit, filed in Tel Aviv, seeks funds to pay for biweekly therapy sessions for up to 20,000 affected by the scars of their parents.

    The lawsuit marks the very first time that the German government will be asked to take responsibility and to care for those of the second generation in Israel and indeed, worldwide, attorney Gideon Fisher said before filing the suit at the Tel Aviv District Court."CONTINUED


    (5) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html

    EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war.

    No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out.

    Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED


    (6) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    (7) "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?"
    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102

    EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis.

    The important thing to realize is that had the Nazis been as racist as most historians have argued, then they could not possibly have garnered the immeasurable level of support that they did. Even after Stalingrad; Spaniards, Slavs, Franks, and tens of- thousands of other non-Germans continued to fight for the Nazis on a volunteer basis. Frenchmen and Arab volunteers gave their lives in the final fight for the capital of Berlin in 1945. Hitler continued to allow thousands of Jewish men to serve, and many did so with incredible tenacity and valor. One has to call into question whether all of these Jewish men and other non-Germans were really as opposed to the Nazi regime as they have claimed after the fact. Their tenacity and determination suggests otherwise in many cases" CONTINUED.


    (8) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED
     
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    Thanks for the link.

    Rather than trying to refute the facts that I.H.R. presents, the Holocaust Industry and its complicit MSM simply slanders the organization while the holocaustian terrorists at JDL even firebombed IHR's office and made death threats against IHR's authors and staff members.

    That's how desperate the Holocaust Industry is to keep people from being exposed to the truth about WW 2 and the holocaust.

    Most all school children have brainwashed into believing that Hitler attacked Poland as a first step in some grand plan to rule the world while the truth is quite simple.

    Hitler attacked Poland because the League of Nations refused to stop Poland from massacring German Nationals in and around Danzig.
    Today's school children are not likely to hear that Germany complained to the League of Nations about the Polish massacres of Germans dozens of times and absolutely nothing was done until Germany invaded Poland from the West and about 2 weeks later, the Soviets invaded Poland from the East.
     
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    Look to Canada's capital city, Ottawa. They are celebrating the 80th anniversary of Babi Yar...
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    Tuesday's memorial ceremony marking the Babi Yar massacre in Ukraine in 1941 was held at the National Holocaust Monument in Ottawa. Photo by Tony Caldwell /Postmedia

    More than 100 people gathered at the National Holocaust Monument on Tuesday to mark the 80th anniversary of the Babi Yar Massacre, one of the darkest moments in what’s known as the “Holocaust of bullets.”
    "Long before Auschwitz, long before Treblinka and Sobibor, there was Babi Yar,” Jewish Federation of Ottawa president and CEO Andrea Freedman told Tuesday’s gathering.
    ....
    In Kiev, they launched wholesale slaughter. For two days, starting on Sept. 29, 1941, groups of Jews were led to the edge of a ravine north of Kiev, robbed of their valuables, stripped and shot. According to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, reports filed by SS units showed 33,771 Jews were massacred during the two-day period.
    .....

    Read on here...
    https://ottawacitizen.com/news/loca...e-marks-80th-anniversary-of-babi-yar-massacre
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    I wonder where they found the SS report?
    And here I came across a strange report from a German General Lieutenant Elfeldt who relates what a Pioneer Officer told him about the Babi Yar (?) massacre...

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Himmler/interrogations/CSDIC/GRGG221.html

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/BabiYar/Nikiforuk.html

    I read the story over ten years ago. It was the first time I heard about it. Couldn't believe the Germans would behave like that! Now, of course, there is photographic proof that it never happened.
    Is there? Really? What am I to believe?
     
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    Re:
    You're right, aerial reconnaissance photos of Babi Yar prove that the alleged massacre is just more Holocaust Industry / Soviet propaganda(1), (2).

    Re:
    The US taxpayer funded USHMM is no more than grisly theme park and repository of fake artifacts, forgeries(3), fraudulent "eyewitness accounts", and slick hologram light shows to dazzle gullible rubes.
    Please remember that these are the same hucksters with the same agenda as those who tried to deceive the world with shrunken heads, phony human skin lampshades, human fat soap and other frauds too numerous to list.

    The numbers stated in the so called SS Reports are simply too inflated to be credible.

    Please remember that there were only 2,000 - 4,000 SS Einsatzgruppen operating in the entire Eastern Front.

    It is entirely unlikely that even 1/4 of them were present at that alleged execution and even less likely that 500 - 1,000 men could control a crowd of 33,771 and execute them over a period of 2 days without leaving a trace of evidence after the alleged massacre.(1), (2)

    Re:
    I encourage everyone to think for themselves remember that the victors who write the history also used and continue to use propaganda that demonizes former enemies and ennobles themselves.

    Nowhere more than America is holocaust and Allied propaganda more prolific due to the Holocaust Industry and Hollywood's deep involvement with America's WW 2 propaganda agency: the OWI (Office of War Information).

    Regrettably, the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(4), (5) is not satisfied shaping minds and public opinion through its complicit Hollywood movie moguls and Western MSM, it has succeeded in infecting our schools(6) with a bigoted, hateful and fraudulent narrative.

    I cannot tell you what to believe, however, what I have chosen to believe is what makes the most sense and, unlike the standard holocaust narrative, what I have chosen to believe can stand up to open debate and honest examination.

    Thanks,




    (1) "What Happened at Babi Yar? Fact vs. Myth”
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/BabiYar/Nikiforuk.html

    EXCERPT “THE MEMORY of the "massacre" of Jews at Babi Yar is painful to all politicians. But evidence shows it never happened. Aerial reconnaissance photos taken before and during World War II show mass graves of victims of the Soviet Cheka/NKVD, but an absence of Jewish mass burials.

    What if anything, happened at a place called Babi Yar (Old Woman's Ravine) near Kiev, Ukraine - September 29, 1941? According to official histories and inscriptions on monuments, 250,000 people, mostly Jews, were killed by the Nazis there. But if thousands of Kievan Jews (those not evacuated by the Soviets) were killed in September of 1941 by the Germans, they were not murdered or buried at Babi Yar. This fact was revealed in aerial reconnaissance photos discovered in the U.S. National Archives in Washington, DC.” CONTINUED


    (2) “Air Photo Evidence”
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html
    EXCERPT:
    4.3. Babi Yar

    We may conclude with certainty that no part of the Babi Yar ravine was subjected to topographical changes of any magnitude during the war years right up to the Soviet reoccupation of the area. The vegetation in this valley was also not disturbed.[16] Hence, there can have been no mass graves in these locations, and the mass cremations attested to can also not have taken place at this time.

    The Bottom Line

    To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed."CONTINUED


    (3) “Soviet’s Anti-Nazi Propaganda, Fake Pictures during World War”
    http://www.hoaxorfact.com/Crime/soviet-s-anti-nazi-propaganda-fake-pictures-during-world-war.html

    EXCERPT “The Soviets and the rest of the allies were in fact faking hundreds of pictures during and after the World war, as a part of psychological warfare against the German people and propagandize their own people.

    However, in later years, with the user of computers and the internet, the usage of those hundreds of images were proved to be faked during and after World War Two, which also intended to demonize Hitler and the NSDAP (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei).”CONTINUED


    (4) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED



    (5) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


    (6) "On Remembrance Day, US House overwhelmingly passes Holocaust education bill"
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/on-re...erwhelmingly-passes-holocaust-education-bill/

    EXCERPT "The legislation was widely supported by the organized American Jewish community.

    “We are pleased that the House has taken action today, on International Holocaust Remembrance Day, to ensure that the lessons of the Holocaust will be passed from one generation to the next,” said Jonathan Greenblatt, head of the Anti-Defamation League.

    “We look forward to this law’s swift passage and to working closely with teachers and districts across the country to ensure that Holocaust education is uniform and consistent across the country.”CONTINUED
     
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  6. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you, Grau, for giving me your own honest opinion. You are right, one has to consider what's important to Germany's enemies. In order to keep the holocaust story going and held together, they have to keep the lies going and adding to it as public opinion changes. It is quite an accomplishment to uphold such a big lie for 80 years! What shook me are the bold statements of SS shootings coming from the Germans themselves. To falsify or even invent these SS reports is a grave criminal act and could be challenged in the ICC. But then, the whole Nuremberg Military Trial should be re-examined. That will never happen!

    Nevertheless, I have been searching the net for credible arguments that could convince me of the fraud. Here is one website I have never seen before. It deals with all kinds of situations. I picked out the Babi Yar article:

    https://ww2truth.com/2019/12/29/babi-yar-blame-shifting-atrocity-propaganda/comment-page-1/

    Excerpts:
    "The Babi Yar myth is such a great holohoax legend to attack, because it is a classic example that exposes Soviet stupidity and the constant blame-shifting they did projecting their atrocities onto the Germans. For example, when after a brief investigation none of the 33,771 dead bodies were found, the shrewd Soviet black propaganda geniuses claimed that the Germans, two years after the actual event, dug the bodies back up, cremated the remains, and crushed the remaining bones with nearby Jewish tombstones….

    The Babi Yar fantasy was most certainly created to cover up the actual massacre in the Katyn Forest by Soviet NKVD.


    The mass graves created for the Soviet massacre and burial of Polish officers and intellectuals at Katyn (a crime that for fifty years was blamed on the Germans), as well as the graves used to accommodate the bodies of some 100,000 innocent residents, including children, of Hamburg, Germany, that were slaughtered by Allied bombing, have proven that it takes about a one acre area of excavation material to bury roughly 10,000 bodies.

    Babi Yar would have needed a minimum of three and one half acres for 33,000 bodies. There is, therefore, no possibility that the precision aerial photos available from the period in question would not show such a disturbance in the soil."

    Oops! They forgot that the bodies were thrown into a ravine!!!! NO digging was needed!!! So, they are just as dumb as the Russians!!

    "Even if the mass graves' depth is increased to sixteen feet, 50,000 bodies would take up about one and a half acres.
    Approximately 1,600,000 cubic feet of soil would need to be excavated. This would be a major excavation project even for today’s modern heavy equipment.

    Any claim that it was done in 1941, and once again in 1943 under battle conditions, is pure fantasy. This does not even address the question of where was this equipment obtained on a battle-weary front? There are a host of other physical problems associated with the Babi Yar massacre story. For example:

    – In order to “machine gun” people, it is worth emphasizing that twice as many bullets as the given number of people would be needed. If 33,771 people were shot, then the Germans would have needed at least 67,000 rounds—and probably more—to complete the task.

    Such a large amount of ammunition would weigh about 1,876 pounds, or 850 kilograms. Lead is essentially an inert substance which survives practically forever in the soil. That amount of lead should be easily recoverable on the site—if it had been
    shot out there, but not a trace of it has ever been found.


    – Next there is the matter of the fuel needed for cremation of the bodies, which the Holocaust storytellers say took place two years after these “murders” and while the German army was in full retreat in that sector.

    The Holocaust storytellers claim that the bodies were burned in the open, with wood, after being piled onto iron rails.
    Present-day open air cremations, as carried out in India amongst Hindus, require at least 10 hours per body, and 330 pounds (150 kilograms) of wood.

    This would mean that the cremation of 33,771 bodies would require at least 11 million pounds (5 million) kilograms of wood.
    To believe that anyone could cut down and provide that amount of firewood in the face of a rapidly advancing Soviet Army is about as nonsensical as believing that the removal of so many trees in the nearby area could go unnoticed.

    – Furthermore, the “mass murder” of Jews at Babi Yar allegedly took place almost four months prior to the Wannsee Conference, where, the Holocaust storytellers claim, the idea to kill all the Jews was first planned.

    The Babi Yar allegations therefore, fairly typically, raise more questions than answers."

    Continue reading in the above link.

    Sorry, I know I am creating a mess, but I'm under stress! For 2 days already, I'm trying to get this post off and gone.
     
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    Hello Jazz,

    No, you are not "... creating a mess" and I hope your feeling of stress has subsided because writing your thoughts and sharing information is supposed to be enjoyable.

    I appreciate your discovery and sharing of "WW2truth" which does an excellent job of dismantling holocaust myths by showing the many ways in which they are physically impossible and that the evidence simply isn't there for Babi Yar and the numerous other "atrocities" allegedly carried out by the Germans.

    What is genuinely appalling is that the multi billion dollar, international Holocaust Industry has infected millions of gullible minds with outright lies about the "evil Germans" in what is the most profitable hoax in modern history.

    The same profit hungry Holocaust Industry and its complicit MSM seems determined to market its hate filled product to impressionable school children while Hollywood, MSM, Amazon, U-tube and other gatekeepers of information prohibit anything truthful about WW 2 and the holocaust.

    In spite of the Holocaust Industry's global war on truth and its persecution of truth tellers, only about one third of the world(1) has been duped into believing specious myths about homicidal gas chambers, "6 million Jews murdered" and similar fictions that have infected millions of gullible minds.

    So, by sharing one of the rare truthful sources generally hidden by Google, you are not "...creating a mess". You are helping other objective and open minded individuals find the truth about what really happened during the tragic WW 2 era.

    Thanks,


    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT "Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    This is a lie, and nowhere in the Bible do "the Jews" order the Romans to do anything.

    Even the Bible is clear that only a small crowd in Jerusalem called for Jesus to die. To blame all the Jews of the time, or even all the Jews in Judea, or even all the Jews in Jerusalem, is dishonest crap.
     
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    too funny
     
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    LOL!!!!

    Roosevelt was a Jew?


    too funny. :p
     
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    Do you have an on-topic comment you'd like to submit or are you only capable of snarky fact free quips?

    Especially with the benefit of hindsight, it is both arrogant and small minded to anonymously ridicule those who grew up in Germany during its most tumultuous era and survived the world's bloodiest conflict.

    Perhaps if you were better educated concerning the hellish existence of life in pre WW 2 Germany, you would realize that the choices were not so simple as black and white for Germans in the 1920s and 1930s.

    Who wouldn't support a leader who both promised and delivered a more prosperous and stable government?

    With the deprivations, starvation and humiliation of the post WW 1 years fresh in their minds, the German people had only anarchy, Stalin's ruthless, predominantly Jewish(1) Communist Party and the little known National Socialists to chose from.

    It is commonly known that Hitler and his National Socialists broke free from the International banking cartels, created a thriving economy, eliminated unemployment, sharply reduced crime, improved Germany's health level, organized industrial production and farming and restored Germany's place as a significant world power.

    The Germans of the 1930s knew only that under Hitler and his National Socialists they enjoyed prosperity while Communism offered mass starvation and mass murder under Stalin and his Communist NKVD which was also disproportionately Jewish led at the time (2).

    Briefly put, it is offensive and grossly unfair to ridicule the Germans who supported Hitler during such a tumultuous time about which you know so little.
    Since even many National Socialists were Jewish,(3) can you honestly say that you would not have done the same if you had endured the same humiliations, privations and hardships?



    (1) “Putin: First Soviet government was mostly Jewish”
    https://www.jpost.com/jewish-world/...st-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish-317150

    EXCERPT “Russian President Vladimir Putin said that at least 80 percent of the members of the first Soviet government were Jewish.” CONTINUED


    (2) "Stalin's Jews"

    "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.

    In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges.

    Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."CONTINUED


    (3) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED
     
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    Answer to Ron Star by GRAU:
    Thanks, dear Grau, for taking care of Ron Star.
    Now something else...

    Have you read about the latest Nazi hunt? This time a 96 year old former secretary on the Stutthof camp:

    German court to try 96-year-old over time at Nazi concentration camp
    The elderly woman, once a secretary at Hitler's Stutthof camp, is accused of being an accessory to the murder of over 11,000 people. She will be tried in a juvenile court as she was 18 at the time.

    Around 65,000 people died at the Stutthof concentration camp in German-occupied Poland during World War II

    A 96-year-old former secretary at the Stutthof Nazi concentration camp will be tried at a north German juvenile court, accused of assisting in the systematic murder of thousands of people.

    The regional Itzehoe court in the German state of Schleswig-Holstein said on Friday that the trial would provisionally start on September 30.

    It decided to try the woman for the crimes in the Juvenile Chamber because she was a teenager when she worked as a secretary at the Stutthof camp near Gdansk during the Nazi occupation of Poland in World War II.

    What is the woman accused of?
    The 96-year-old, who worked as a civilian employee in the Stutthof Nazi concentration camp, is accused of aiding and abetting the murder of more than 11,000 people.

    The indictment reads: "The defendant is charged with committing a crime as a stenographer and typist in the camp commandant's office of the Stutthof former concentration camp between June 1943 and April 1945."

    It adds that she is alleged to have "assisted the camp commanders in the systematic killing of those imprisoned there."

    Read all here:
    https://www.dw.com/en/german-court-...er-time-at-nazi-concentration-camp/a-58292812
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    Can they get any more grotesque?
    Why now after 80 years? Is it time to stir the pot again lest we forget? As they say, the holocaust will be with us for eternity.
    Actually, the poor old lady even tried to escape! She lives in an Old Age Home in Hamburg, I read. She called a taxi and disappeared! Haha... I love it. She has friends and helpers, I hope!
     
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    This one got away!!

    Ex-Nazi interpreter Helmut Oberlander has died in Waterloo, Ont.
    [​IMG]
    The Canadian federal government has been in a legal battle with Helmut Oberlander since 1995 to strip the former Nazi interpreter of his citizenship. Oberlander died on Wednesday at his home in Waterloo, Ont., surrounded by his loving family, his family said in a statement.

    The federal government argued Oberlander lied to Canadian authorities about his wartime activities despite no evidence he took part in any atrocities.

    "While this case is now over, the government is determined to deny safe haven in Canada to war criminals and persons believed to have committed or been complicit in war crimes, crimes against humanity, or genocide," a spokesperson for Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada said in a statement.

    Oberlander was born in Halbstadt, Ukraine, in 1924. He has steadfastly maintained he was just 17 when he was forced on pain of execution to join the Nazi death squad Einsatzkommando 10a, known as Ek 10a.
    The squad was responsible for killing close to 100,000 people who were mostly Jewish.

    Oberlander was not accused of taking part in any executions.

    Chaim Danzinger, the rabbi in Rostov-on-Don said...
    "It is outrageous for them to hear that he died 'peacefully' when their relatives died horrifically in that mass killing, which he was never held accountable for. I do believe in divine justice and know that the ultimate judge will now mete out the consequences he deserves, but it's unfortunate society did not seek justice in this world."

    Read full article here:
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitc...ead-waterloo-ontario-september-2021-1.6186521
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    Well, if the Rabbi believes in "Devine Justice", he better start atoning for the crimes committed in Palestine!

    There is still so much hate against the Germans, when will it finally end and the two nations will finally make peace? I think, it is up to the Jews to forgive and be thankful that most of their people escaped the horrific war and are now among the most powerful and wealthy people on earth.
    To still go around and hunt the last few surviving German soldiers and German female stenographers like dangerous animals, makes them look ridiculous, to say the very least.

    Maybe I should sit down and count my blessings... they haven't come after the 10 year olds yet!
    Grau, please, IF need be, could I hide under your :hiding: ?
     
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    RE: About the Holocaust
    SUBTOPIC: Further Usefulness of Criminal Investigation and Prosecution?
    ※→ Jazz, et al,

    BLUF: Yes, there comes a point when a crime does not rise to the level of a "War Crime." I think the further persecution of lower level soldiers and administrative civilian staff becomes irresponsible. Just because you Can do a thing, does not mean you should do a thing.

    (COMMENT)

    What useful purpose does this serve → is the question? WWII era Nazi hunting has past its sell by date a long time ago. Any "real" criminal still alive today will be a century old. The prosecution of such people will turn the face of the public against these overzealous hunters. It is stupid actions such as this → that change many from being sympathetic to a fresh level of disdain.

    It is a complete waste of time, energy, and money.

    [​IMG]
    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    I'm glad you, too, see it that way!
    Now, here comes a little side trip from Irmgard, the stenographer...

    Germany, 96-year-old former Nazi secretary escapes before trial
    Just a few days ago the woman had written a letter in her own hand to the judge, to say that she did not want to attend the first hearing of her trial “to spare herself” from being “put to the pillory of humanity”. However, no one had imagined that the former secretary of the concentration camp could, at the age of 96, think of escaping. Instead she did: on the morning of September 30, at dawn, she left the retirement home where she resides in Quickborn, Hamburg, and took a taxi to the Nordstedt underground station. Meanwhile, in the court – in Itzehoe -, in addition to the judge and lawyers, 12 representatives of the 30 people who filed a civil action and over 50 journalists were waiting for her.

    The trial could not be held without her and Judge Domik Gross therefore issued a warrant for the arrest of the elderly woman. The woman was stopped several hours later, at 13.50, along the Langenhorner Chausse (is highway) of the Hanseatic city, where she was noticed by a policewoman, as reported by the German agency DPA.

    WOW! :applause: This woman has guts!!! She should have worn a wig! :afro:


    https://allstartsusa.com/2021/10/01...nazi-secretary-escapes-before-trial-arrested/
     
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    "homos"???

    really?

    wow.
     
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    Hello Jazz,

    Of course this lowly form of elder abuse is beyond a grotesque miscarriage of justice as well as clear evidence of the degree to which the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(1), (2) is running the show in Germany.

    Only in relation to these holocaust "trials" that are no more than totalitarian "show trials", I can think of no other instance in which mere hearsay is enough to convict someone of mass murder. There is absolutely no hard evidence that there was a genocidal agenda or "systematic killing" in all of National Socialist Germany or any of the German run camps.(3)

    Not only was there no "systematic killing" but Germany punished its own soldiers for cruelty and other crimes they may have committed against camp inmates, POWs and civilians in occupied territories.(4)

    This inexcusable persecution of elderly Germans who happened to be alive during WW 2 by the profit driven Holocaust Industry is as much a crime as the widely condemned Nuremberg show "trials" were.

    The following condemnations of those earlier criminal proceedings at Nuremberg and elsewhere in Germany could easily apply to today's totalitarian and persecutory show trials driven by delusional, selectively outraged and hate filled holocaustian fanatics:

    QUOTES ABOUT NUREMBERG "TRIALS":

    - "... a fantastic desecration of the ideals of Western Civilisation, and appalling miscarriage of justice... a misuse of evidence for vicious ends, all of which will someday be exposed as a shocking travesty of high legal and moral principles."
    - Professor Henry M. Adams, Ph.D

    - “About this whole judgment there is the spirit of vengeance, and vengeance is seldom justice. The hanging of the 11 men convicted will be a blot on the American record which we shall long regret.”
    - US Senator Robert Taft, 1946

    - "Chief US prosecutor Jackson is away conducting his high-grade lynching party in Nuremberg......I hate to see the pretence that he is running a court and proceeding according to common law. This is a little too sanctimonious a fraud to meet my old-fashioned ideas."
    - US Supreme Court Chief Justice Harlan Fiske Stone

    Even former president Eisenhower's more ethical brother condemned the criminal Nuremberg show trials as: "... a black page in the history of the world..."(5)

    @RoccoR was correct when he observed that the "overzealous hunters" are not engendering any sympathy for the holocaust's victims by this hate filled and selective persecution of a 96 year old former secretary whose countrymen should be outraged.

    How long will Germany allow these fraudulent and influential bullies from the Holocaust Industry to extract countless $ Billions and torment their oldest and most vulnerable citizens?



    (1)"17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED



    (2)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


    (3) "A Factual Appraisal Of The 'Holocaust' By The Red Cross"

    The Jews And The Concentration Camps: No Evidence Of Genocide
    http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18054

    EXCERPT "In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend." CONTINUED


    (4) “Punishment of Germans, by Third Reich authorities, for mistreatment of Jews (1939-1945)
    https://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/2002/06/punishment-of-germans-by-third-reich.html

    EXCERPT “The German army severely punished its own soldiers for crimes committed against the civilian population, including Jews.

    Examples are given, such as a case in the spring of 1944 occurring when a German anti-aircraft battery on its way to Budapest was held over and the soldiers stayed in a house belonging to Jews. Permission was granted to the men by the commander of the battery, a young sub-lieutenant, to confiscate various items from the house, including jewellery and radio sets. A Jewish woman who wanted to report this crime was killed. The sub-lieutenant was sentenced to death and executed for this crime, and several NCOs and service personnel received long prison terms.” CONTINUED


    (5) "President Eisenhower’s Brother, An Attorney, Condemned The Nuremberg & Eichmann Trials"
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/president-eisenhowers-brother-attorney-condemned-nuremberg-eichmann-trials/

    QUOTE:
    "I think the Nuremberg trials are a black page in the history of the world…I discussed the legality of these trials with some of the lawyers and some of the judges who participated therein. They did not attempt to justify their action on any legal ground, but rested their position on the fact that in their opinion, the parties convicted were guilty…"

    Edgar N. Eisenhower, American attorney: Brother of President Dwight D. Eisenhower
     
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    Since you seem incapable of writing anything other than snarky quips, you should at least remember that English is not the first language of everyone who writes here.

    The question that @Jazz asked were:

    Since countless innocent Germans have been murdered after Soviet style show "trials" for genocide, I, too, would like to know why the Allies and the Holocaust Industry have been entirely unable to produce hard evidence that "millions" were killed.
    The "millions" of bodies from people who were allegedly gassed or shot simply aren't there:

    "The Bottom Line"

    EXCERPT "To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed." CONTINUED (1)

    Extensive ground examination was done at Treblinka by at least 2 researchers and while they did find a few marked Christian graves they were entirely unable to find any mass graves of the 850,000 people who were allegedly murdered there.(2), (3)

    So, I'll ask again, where is the evidence that the German National Socialists killed "millions" of people?



    (1) “Air Photo Evidence”
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html


    (2) “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.” CONTINUED



    (3) “Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves”
    https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php

    EXCERPT “A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there.” CONTINUED
     
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    Ironic, as you once claimed that the Allies murdered 9 to 15 million Germans during and after WW2.


    So @Grau, where are the bodies? Hmmmm?


    :p
     
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    Evading tough questions is only one of the tactics used by people who cannot defend the myths promulgated by the fraudulent and profit driven Holocaust Industry so this particular evasion comes as no surprise.

    First of all, I did not make that claim since I don't think anyone knows how many German POWs and innocent German civilians were murdered by the Western and Communist Allies from 1945 to 1953. I simply cited the article you cherry picked as one of several sources on a much earlier comment I wrote long ago.

    The biggest difference in these 2 tragedies is that no one has bothered to look for the murdered Germans while the Holocaust Industry as well as independent researchers have combed Europe high and low looking for holocaust related mass graves and have still not found the tiniest fraction of the 6 million Jews that were allegedly murdered.

    The hard evidence is simply not where it is claimed to be.

    Another huge difference is that countless innocent Germans were murdered in Soviet style "show trials" after the war and held responsible for innumerable crimes they did not commit. Even today elderly Germans almost 100 years old whose solitary "crime" was being a secretary are tormented by an insatiably greedy Holocaust Industry desperate to remain relevant as more and more people reject their fraudulent narrative. (1)
    In fact, the ADL discovered that only about 1/3 of the world's population actually believes the fraudulent holocaust narrative.

    Meanwhile, I'll bet that you can't name one Allied individual who was even tried for murdering millions of German POWs and innocent civilians. Millions of Allied rapists preyed on innocent young German girls and women while, to my knowledge, not one Allied rapist was even charged for their crimes.

    No comparison would be complete without mentioning the Holocaust Industry's fraudulent extortion racket; aka their "reparations" racket. Not a dime has been paid to the families of Germans murdered and / or raped during and after the war while the insatiable Holocaust Industry continues to extort countless $ Billions from innumerable governments, corporations, industries and individuals for the construction of grisly theme parks that litter the globe, propaganda dissemination and enrichment of jet setting Holocaust Industry CEOs. (2), (3)

    Finally, not a day passes when the Holocaust Industry's complicit MSM doesn't assure us that "6 million Jews" were murdered in fictitious "gas chambers" and by other nefarious means so I'll ask you again, where are the remains of of these "6 million" for whom so many have paid so dearly.

    Without this tangible evidence, this holocaust story is simply the greatest conspiracy theory in modern history.

    "The Bottom Line"

    EXCERPT "To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed." CONTINUED (4)



    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED


    (2) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED



    (3) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


    (4) “Air Photo Evidence”
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html
     
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    Oh look, more baseless claims about millions of murdered German POWs and civilians. And millions of "Allied rapists".

    Now who is the one telling fairy tails, hmm @Grau?


    :p
     
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    11 million European Jews before WW2, only 5 million after WW2.

    I don't think they have much to be greatful for. The USA clearly dropped the atom bomb on the wrong nation.
     
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    Hitler was already defeated at this time. No need to punish the Germans for their unholy, stinking "Fuhrer". Most of them were poor victims too. They believed in ugly Adolph. Big mistake!
     
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    At least you're willing to admit that the standard holocaust narrative is largely a fairy tale.

    Meanwhile, I can or already have been able to support everything I've claimed

    There were indeed millions of Allied rapists especially when you consider that there were multiple rapists for each German victim.(1), (2), (3)

    Finally, millions of innocent civilians were murdered both during and after WW 2 (4), (5).

    Now, back to the topic of this thread.

    How could Germany's National Socialists have had a genocidal agenda against Europe's Jews when Jews were members of the National Socialist Party (6) and allowed to serve in Germany's WW 2 military (7)?

    Please note that even Wikipedia admits that "full Jews" and "partial Jews" were among the National Socialist Party's high ranking members.


    (1) "Silence Broken On Red Army Rapes In Germany"
    https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106687768

    EXCERPT "Historians estimate that at least 2 million German women were raped at the end of World War II. That figure is based on German hospital and abortion clinic records."


    (2) “Raped by their saviours: How the survivors of Auschwitz escaped one nightmare only to face another unimaginable ordeal”
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...aped-nightmare-faced-unimaginable-ordeal.html


    EXCERPT “The exact number of sexual attacks perpetrated by Soviet soldiers as they advanced through Germany, and then in the immediate aftermath of the war, will never be known, but the figure is certainly in the hundreds of thousands if not millions.

    The revelation that women who had already endured so much mistreatment in camps such as Auschwitz were then subsequently raped by their liberators adds a grotesque level of nausea to the story that did not exist before.” CONTINUED



    (3) "Red Army troops raped even Russian women as they freed them from camps"
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...sian-women-as-they-freed-them-from-camps.html

    EXCERPT "THE Red Army's orgy of rape in the dying days of Nazi Germany was conducted on a much greater scale than previously suspected, according to a new book by the military historian Anthony Beevor.

    Beevor, the author of the best-selling Stalingrad, says advancing Soviet troops raped large numbers of Russian and Polish women held in concentration camps, as well as millions of Germans.

    The extent of the Red Army's indiscipline and depravity emerged as the author studied Soviet archives for his forthcoming book Berlin, to be published in April by Viking."CONTINUED



    (4) "Crimes and Mercies: The Fate of German Civilians Under Allied Occupation, 1944 1950 Revised Edition"
    https://www.amazon.com/Crimes-Mercies-German-Civilians-Occupation/dp/0889225672

    EXCERPT "More than 9 million Germans died as a result of deliberate Allied starvation and expulsion policies after World War II—one quarter of the country was annexed, and about 15 million people expelled in the largest act of ethnic cleansing the world has ever known. Over 2 million of these alone, including countless children, died on the road or in concentration camps in Poland and elsewhere. That these deaths occurred at all is still being denied by Western governments." CONTINUED


    (5) "Rape Of Germany After It Lost In 1945"
    https://historyimages.blogspot.com/2012/01/1945-after-it-lost-germany-raped.html

    EXCERPT "We are ceaselessly reminded of the Third Reich’s wartime concentration camps. But few Americans are aware that such infamous camps as Dachau, Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen and Auschwitz were kept in operation after the end of the war, only now packed with German captives, many of whom perished miserably."CONTINUED


    (6) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED


    (7) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED


     
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    I think this guy hates Germans like Hitler hated Jews.
    Blame it on Adolph. What he did is unforgivable
     

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