About the Holocaust

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The truthfulness of the standard holocaust narrative is not determined in a biased American courtroom.

    It is determined through physical and scientific realities like the amount of human remains found at the former German work camps which indicates that far fewer died than is claimed by the Holocaust Industry that is so dishonest that it even cheats holocaust survivors and lies to people like you.

    I have repeatedly asked anyone who really believes that "millions" were killed in the former German work camps to show where more than a few human remains have been found but no one can do so.

    Why?
     
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    Are you really unaware that Allied propagandists intentionally displayed shrunken heads, fake human skin pocketbooks, fake human skin lampshades and similar grisly frauds?

    The following source shows who the "professional liars" really were:


    "The "Liberation of the Camps": FACTS vs. LIES"
    https://preterhuman.net/docs/The_"Liberation_of_the_Camps":_FACTS_vs._LIES

    EXCERPT:
    "No Lampshades, No Handbags, Etc.

    " What of the ghoulish stories of concentration camp inmates skinned for their tattoos, flayed to make lampshades and handbags, or other artifacts? What of the innumerable "torture racks," "meathooks," whipping posts, gallows, and other tools of torment and death that are reported to have abounded at every German camp? These allegations, and even more grotesque ones profferred by Soviet prosecutors, found their way into the record at Nuremberg.

    The lampshade and tattooed-skin charges were made against Ilse Koch, dubbed by journalists the "Bitch of Buchenwald," who was reported to have furnished her house with objects manufactured from the tanned hides of luckless inmates. But General Lucius Clay, military governor of the U.S. zone of occupied Germany, who reviewed her case in 1948, told his superiors in Washington: "There is no convincing evidence that she [Ilse Koch] selected inmates for extermination in order to secure tattooed sins or that she possessed any articles made of human skin."^7 In an interview General Clay gave years later, he stated about the material for the infamous lampshades: "Well, it turned out actually that it was goat flesh. But at the trial it was still human flesh. It was almost impossible for her to have gotten a fair trial."^8 Ilse Koch hanged herself in a West German jail in 1967." CONTINUED
     
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    I dare you to find even one Post in which I have denied that the holocaust happened OR written any "hateful anti-Jewish comments"

    Connect those dots.
     
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    anti-Semitic, bigoted crap.

    Jews were involved in communist politics, socialist politics, social Democratic politics, etc etc.

    Looks like you're just trying to justify the persecution of the Jews of Germany and Europe by a suggesting all Jews were Communists and therefore all Jews had to be punished.

    Let's not forget that your fellow Holocaust denier @Jazz stated that "Judaism=Communism".
     
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    Again, you're trying to justify the Nazi hatred of the Jews.

    Really sad
     
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    You have posted many times Nazi propaganda justifying the Nazi hatred of the Jews and persecution of the Jews. Accusing the Jews of being communists, traitors to Germany, part of a worldwide conspiracy to destroy Germany, falsely accusing the Jews of being part of a worldwide united front against Germany, Etc etc.

    Even though this is nothing but anti-semitic Neo-Nazi propaganda you still post it.

    You also ignore all of the anti-semitic activity in Germany and by the Nazis committed before the Jewish boycott of Germany was declared. Funny how you do that.

    There was tons of anti-Semitic violence in Germany before the Jews decided to install a boycott. This anti-semitic violence and the policy program of the Nazis is what caused the boycott, not the other way around.

    Please stop trying to blame the Jews of Germany for their persecution by the Nazis.
     
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    MORE SLANDEROUS NONSENSE



    I asked you to find just one Post in which I have denied that the holocaust happened OR written any "hateful anti-Jewish comments" and you cannot find even one in the thousands of Posts I've written.

    Predictably, what you consider "Nazi propaganda" have simply been independent sources that debunk the holocaustian lies promulgated by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry (1), (2) that is so greedy and dishonest that it even cheats holocaust survivors.

    Finally, you've posted reams of unsupportable nonsense about "giant gas chambers",(3) a mythical genocidal agenda,(4) and "millions of Jews" killed(5) and because I've effectively debunked these fragile myths, all you can do is slander me over things I have not written.

    Pathetic...

    "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser"
    Socrates





    (1)"17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (2)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


    (3) "Auschwitz Expert: Blueprints Found in Berlin Not of Death Camp"
    https://www.haaretz.com/1.5056721

    EXCERPT "Prof. Robert Jan van Pelt, a internationally acknowledged expert on the planning and construction of Auschwitz,

    Van Pelt, an architectural historian, said that copies of the plans of the stages of the camp's construction were also in the archive of the Polish National Museum at Auschwitz and in an archive in Moscow.

    Van Pelt said he also doubted the authenticity of the signature of the SS chief, Heinrich Himmler, since such a high-ranking officer would not have signed such plans, and none of the copies he had ever seen bore such a signature.

    Van Pelt also said the words "gas chamber" on one of the drawings meant a room in which disinfection of clothing was done by means of gas, and that the sketch is not of an extermination camp established in 1942, but rather of earlier plans for a huge concentration camp in which a force of 130,000 slave laborers was intended to work.

    Van Pelt suggested the plans might be fakes, motivated by the lucrative market in Nazi memorabilia and documents."CONTINUED



    (4) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”


    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190



    (5) "INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS (IRC) DOCUMENT CONFIRMS 271 THOUSAND NOT 6 MILLION DIED IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS"
    https://archive.org/details/auschwitz_201905

    EXCERPTS:

    "OFFICIAL INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS RECORDS RELEASED

    Sealed and guarded since the end of WWII at Arolsen, Germany, the Official IRC records reveal the actual Concentration Camp total death toll was 271,301

    For years, people around the world – “the West” in particular – have been told that “six million Jews were systematically murdered by Germans in ‘Concentration Camps’ during World War 2.”

    Thousands of honest people disputing this claim have been viciously smeared as a hateful anti-Semite. Several countries around the world have jailed and heavily fined people for disputing the claim that “6 Million” Jews were killed.

    Red Cross and East German government figures put the total deaths at every camp as 272.000, and 282,000 respectively which includes homosexuals, communists, gypsies, murderers, paedophiles etc. The 6 Million figure is a Kabbalist number, a magickal figure which featured in news papers in the early 1900’s." CONTINUED
     
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    MORE EVASIONS


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    You still can't show anywhere I have denied that the holocaust happened and for months I've asked you the same question I've asked other participants in this thread who continue to evade the question:

    If "millions" were killed in "death camps", where are the remains?
     
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    Re:
    Let's clear this up now.
    I have never denied that the holocaust happened, therefore I am not a "holocaust denier".

    To call someone something they are not is to lie on purpose.

    If you are calling me a "Holocaust denier" and accusing me of lying on purpose you are genuinely violating forum rules.

    Please clarify what you mean.


    By showing you the fake photo with dishonest caption, I've just shown an example of Wikipedia's anti German bias and an example of Allied propagandists altering photos to look more grisly than they were.
    Now, who lies on purpose?

    [​IMG]


    "Holocaust Fake pics 1"
    http://lovkap.blogspot.com/2014/09/holocaust-fake-pics-1.html


    EXCERPT
    "This supposed secret shot with a “smuggled camera” is said to show body burning at Auschwitz, because the numbers of claimed gassing dead were so impossible for the crematoria (actually used for the day-to-day dead of a 100,000 camp).

    It’s really a combination print of at least three photos: One, the window where a Jew Kapo snapped the shot “secretly” and two, a newspaper negative stolen from a 1912 train wreck in Dresden, Ohio, showing rescue people, along with a few real dead victims of the accident. Three, added figures and bodies were spliced in for effect (with obvious retouching — see the crude “spaghetti woman”). The final montage print itself was then re-shot on a copy stand to aid in the fakery." CONTINUED
     
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    An HC denier does not necessarily have to deny the existence of the HC. At least he has to deny that the Nazis intentionally wanted to exterminate the Jews. That's the point.

    If you know little about the history of the Nazis and don't believe what they did wrong, then you're not necessarily an HC denier. But if you know history well and still claim that the Nazis didn't want to exterminate the Jews, then you are!

    I'm violating your self-image as a Holocaust "revisionist".

    Move forward to 2:15 :D ...

     
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    No, the point is simple.

    A "Round earth denier" does not believe that the earth is basically round and a "holocaust denier" denies that the holocaust happened at all.

    Words mean what they mean and to deny that the holocaust happened is to deny that the holocaust happened at all.

    It was the intellectually challenged D. Lipstadt who coined the fraudulent misnomer "holocaust denier" as a means to slander anyone who doesn't believe in homicidal gas chambers, a genocidal German agenda and other fictions so if you cannot discuss this issue without resorting to slander it simply proves that you have nothing to support the lies that have been poured into your head.

    Calling me a "Holocaust denier" is as dishonest as if I were to call you a pedophile because you simply like children.

    If you can't discuss an issue without being dishonest, I can't stop you from being dishonest but others will notice.
     
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    Sorry Grau, but if somebody denies that there were homicidal gas Chambers, that the Nazis intended to commit genocide against the Jewish people, that millions of Jews were killed by the Nazis and their allies, that at least 9 million Jews were under Nazi or fascist control during world war II, then they are a holocaust denier.
     
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    Words are often bound to a certain context. There's no definition of Holocaust denial just as "I don't believe the Nazis committed Auschwitz gassings!"

    HC denial means: "The Nazis never wanted to exterminate Jews and I know that for sure!" :(

    Also wrong. Pedos want to have sex with children. It doesn't matter if they like or hate them.
     
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    Nazis conquered western Poland. The soviets stole the eastern half.

    Brother Grau seems to have only little knowledge of the Nazi era. He obviously thinks the Nazis were the good guys of that time. :(
     
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    Nazis conquered eastern Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine, western Russia, in 1941. Adding millions more Jews to their control. Add the millions of Jews under Nazi-allied Fascist control you get more than 9 million Jews.
     
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    [​IMG]

    Left = West, Right = East.
     
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    Nazis invaded the USSR in 1941, adding millions of more Jews to their control.
     
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    STILL MORE EVASIONS


    Your need to label me as a "Holocaust denier" is simply another transparent means to evade substantive debate and show where any of your hateful anti German slander is truthful.

    In previous posts, I have shown that the only "gas chambers" were not homicidal gas chambers but rather defumigation chambers for old clothes and blankets(1). I have also shown that there was no order from Hitler(2) for the destruction of Europe's Jews and that there is nothing in any intercepted, secret German radio transmissions to suggest a genocidal German agenda(3).

    I have also shown that according to the Red Cross and the former East German government, no more than 280,000 people of all groups died in all the German run work camps(4). According to post war, Western doctors, the vast majority of these deaths were from disease and natural causes. Not one autopsy showed death by "gassing" or deliberate starvation.

    Finally, I have repeatedly asked you to show where the remains of "millions" of Jews or anyone else exist since detailed ground examinations of Treblinka(5), (6) have revealed no mass graves and so few remains exist at other work camps that no more than 280,000 people could have died at all the German work camps(7).

    Like most holocaustians who can only regurgitate unsupportable anti German slander, you have been entirely unable to refute the facts I have related and, instead focus on what to call me and make false claims about what I have not said.

    Please quit evading the topic at hand and stop misrepresenting my views.



    (1) "Auschwitz Expert: Blueprints Found in Berlin Not of Death Camp"
    https://www.haaretz.com/1.5056721

    EXCERPT "Prof. Robert Jan van Pelt, a internationally acknowledged expert on the planning and construction of Auschwitz,

    Van Pelt, an architectural historian, said that copies of the plans of the stages of the camp's construction were also in the archive of the Polish National Museum at Auschwitz and in an archive in Moscow.

    Van Pelt said he also doubted the authenticity of the signature of the SS chief, Heinrich Himmler, since such a high-ranking officer would not have signed such plans, and none of the copies he had ever seen bore such a signature.

    Van Pelt also said the words "gas chamber" on one of the drawings meant a room in which disinfection of clothing was done by means of gas, and that the sketch is not of an extermination camp established in 1942, but rather of earlier plans for a huge concentration camp in which a force of 130,000 slave laborers was intended to work." CONTINUED


    (2) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    (3) “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE”
    https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED


    (4) "INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS (IRC) DOCUMENT CONFIRMS 271 THOUSAND NOT 6 MILLION DIED IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS"

    https://archive.org/details/auschwitz_201905
    EXCERPTS:

    "OFFICIAL INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS RECORDS RELEASED

    Sealed and guarded since the end of WWII at Arolsen, Germany, the Official IRC records reveal the actual Concentration Camp total death toll was 271,301

    For years, people around the world – “the West” in particular – have been told that “six million Jews were systematically murdered by Germans in ‘Concentration Camps’ during World War 2.”

    Thousands of honest people disputing this claim have been viciously smeared as a hateful anti-Semite. Several countries around the world have jailed and heavily fined people for disputing the claim that “6 Million” Jews were killed.

    Red Cross and East German government figures put the total deaths at every camp as 272.000, and 282,000 respectively which includes homosexuals, communists, gypsies, murderers, paedophiles etc. The 6 Million figure is a Kabbalist number, a magickal figure which featured in news papers in the early 1900’s." CONTINUED


    (5) “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.” CONTINUED


    (6) “Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves”
    https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php

    EXCERPT “A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there.” CONTINUED


    (7) “Air Photo Evidence”
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html

    EXCERPT

    The Bottom Line

    "To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed." CONTINUED
     
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    Yeah, it's important that we don't get confused with the time context. :)

    The Nazi gangsters estimated about 11 million Jews would fall into their hands after conquering eastern Europe (according to the Wannsee Paper). Auschwitz and other murder facilities were prepared for this amount. :(
     
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    9+ million Jews fell under Nazi/Nazi-ally control after the Nazis invaded the USSR in 1941.
     
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    Van Pelt's Holocaust studies began while he was studying the Temple of Solomon under Renaissance scholar Frances Yates as part of his doctorate.[2] He has stated that he was stunned when he first entered the Auschwitz architectural archive, commenting that the place allows one to imagine what the place looked like during the war and holds a "tactile reality" as to how the camp was built, and that here, he found his mission.[4] His pursuit of Auschwitz as a point for architectural study arose when he nominated one of the crematoria and gas chamber complexes at Auschwitz-II Birkenau to be included in the University of Virginia architecture classes canon, a decision which he says was controversial among academics there.[5]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Jan_van_Pelt#Holocaust_research


    Robert Jan van Pelt, an architectural historian, was engaged by the defence as an expert witness. He prepared a 700-page report, in which he examined the evidence for the existence of the gas chambers at Auschwitz. He also defended himself on cross-examination.[49] Irving floundered against van Pelt's deep knowledge of the mechanics of Auschwitz Birkenau. Rampton and van Pelt had bonded on a trip to Auschwitz with Rogers and Bateman and they had spent hours talking through Irving's claims. Van Pelt took the three lawyers and Deborah Lipstadt around Birkenau showing them how Irving's claims were false and the mistake he had made about the physical layout. He later adapted the report he wrote into book form.[50]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_v_Penguin_Books_Ltd#Van_Pelt
     
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    Better yet, YOU enlighten us all as to JUST WHERE all those European Jews went off to... think of how it would aid your cause. :psychoitc:
     
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    false!!!!

    the Wannsee Conference minutes NEVER state this.

    This could ONLY be true in your mind, if you deny that the Nazis invaded eastern Poland, Ukraine, the Baltics, western Russia, Hungary, in 1941 and 1944.
     
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