and why should we engage in discussions with folks who resort to such childish and pathetic name calling?
Childish and pathetic name calling like "holocaust denier", "anti Semite" or accusing someone of intentionally directing others to a virus infected web site or having failed, "miserably" when you have yet to refute a single point I've both raised & supported? You have only "engaged" in evasions, cherry picking, obfuscations & "goal post moving" since your first response because the facts do not support the outrageous falsehoods you've been led to believe. So, please either address the points I've raised in my earlier Post #255 or drop out. Your evasions etc aren't fooling anyone.
you claimed only 4.5 million Jews under Nazi control. ....i proved that false. you claimed 9 to 15 million Germans murdered after WW2. .....i proved you have no proof. you kinda have nothing. Holocaust Denial is an exercise in dishonest futility. Eichmann and Himmler admitted to the mass-murder of the Jewish people. Get used to it. Maybe you guys should stick to your original theory, that the 5+ million Jews died of typhus and starvation caused by Allied blockades and embargo
More evasions & unsupported claims. You have disproved absolutely nothing. You have only regurgitated debunked claims asserted by minions of the fraudulent Holocaust Industry & disciples of the factually flawed holocaustian cult. I am tired of repeatedly posting the same documents & sources that show that the standard holocaust narrative founded on fake "human fat soap", fake "human skin lampshades", mythical "steam", "electrocution" & "gas chambers" etc is replete with additional frauds, inflated figures, mathematical impossibilities & pseudo scientific hoaxes. At this point, I am content to let other readers compare our respective Posts over the last few pages & decide for themselves who is the most credible.
show us proof that 9 to 15 million German civilians were murdered by the Allies after ww2. go ahead and deny that Himmler discussed the destruction of the Jewish people of Europe to the SS in a speech well documented. go ahead and deny that Eichmann discussed the murder of millions of Jews by the Nazis in an interview given to a Neo-Nazi years before he was captured. go ahead and deny that the Wansee Conference discussed a final solution to Jews who had already been deported to Poland and that strong healthy Jews could not be allowed to survive. go ahead and explain to us why Auschwitz needed the capacity to burn more than 700,000 bodies a year. go ahead and explain to us how 800,000 Jews were shipped to Treblinka...but none left and very few survived after the war.
You keep spouting this denial bullshit. Of course you can't stomach the fact that your ancestoral compatriots were aiders and abettors in the invention and implementation of industrialized human extermination. That is what separates the holocaust from the other acts of genocide perpetrated throughout history. And if you ever went to Vad Yashem, you'd know that the roms and gays and handicapped, you'd know that they are also included. https://www.yadvashem.org/holocaust/about/nazi-germany-1933-39/non-jewish-victims.html Not that the handful of "denial experts" are experts in anything other than distortion and bullshit. Next you'll be claiming that Leuchter proved there werent any gas chambers. Clowns, jew haters and charlatans feeding other clowns, jew haters and charlatan. Zieg baby Zieg.
The difference between historic genocides and the holocaust is quite stark. The nazi's invented, thru extensive experimentation, and then implemented industrialized murder. It does not diminish the other crimes against humanity, but it does separate it from those others. And the fact that other genocides have been committed throughout history, does not diminish the horror of the nazi's crimes.
In the East, the same innocent German civilians were raped, massacred & expelled from their homes if they had one. Other German civilians were rounded up into torture camps run by Jewish individuals like Solomon Morel who, in spite of extradition orders from Poland for mass murder, lived to a ripe, old age in Israel, home to war criminals. You're missing the point of my Post of of the thread in general which is that humanity should be made aware of the innumerable other mass killings to better understand the reality that no religious, ethnic group, nationality is intrinsically either Good or Evil. Your earlier Comment ridiculing the memorialization of the victims of Pol Pot, Genrikh Yagota, Mao etc exemplifies the finding of the following poll: "POLL: JEWS OVERPLAY THE HOLOCAUST" http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Poll-Jews-overplay-the-Holocaust EXCERPT "Europeans believe Jews talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust, a poll conducted by the Anti-Defamation League and released Thursday revealed" CONTINUED According to this poll, Europeans, at least are suffering from Holocaust Fatigue, not "Holocaust Envy". Why not put equal focus in the schools & MSM on other mass killings such as Holodomor, the Nakba, & other large scale Colonial ethnic cleansings that consumed Australian Aborigines, Africans & Native Americans. There are numerous mass killings that far exceeded the European, 20th century holocaust in numbers, scope & cruelty. To suggest that the European WW2 era holocaust was somehow more profound because some of its victims were Jewish is as myopic as it is racist and factually flawed.[/QUOTE] Yep, the german POW's were not treated very well. Especially the russians since over 3 million russian POW's died in Germany captivity and for some odd reason, they weren't nearly as forgiving as your nazi heroes were. as for starvation, perhaps barque and of course you and yours, forgot the terrible conditions across europe and the fact that food was scarce in many nations. Basic infrastructure throughout the continent was destroyed. But of course, Nazi apologists and holocaust deniers think that the victors should have prioritized the care and feeding of the pow's, over the tens of millions of suffering civilians and because they didn't, they were the real monsters. No matter how hard you guys try, you will never be able to rehabilitate the Nazis or make their poison acceptable to anyone other than other lowlife racist scumbags who place their accident of birth above all else.
I had hoped that you could take the hint that I was tired of repeatedly posting the same documents & sources that show that the standard holocaust narrative founded on fake "human fat soap", fake "human skin lampshades", mythical "steam", "electrocution" & "gas chambers" etc is replete with additional frauds, inflated figures, mathematical impossibilities & pseudo scientific hoaxes. At this point, I am content to let other readers compare our respective Posts over the last few pages & decide for themselves who is the most credible. However, since you're distorting what I have & haven't said I'll humor you. Firstly, I never said: "...that 9 to 15 million German civilians were murdered by the Allies after ww2." I simply referred to the following site (1). Secondly, it doesn't matter what Himmler & Eichmann may or may not have "discussed" because in the entire 500 tons of captured Nazi documents, there is no written order from Hitler directing the industrialized destruction of Europe's Jews: “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.” - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190" Among the numerous flaws in the holocaustian cult is inconsistency: One minute, the Nazis are alleged to be hiding their crimes by burying bodies, digging them up, burning them, somehow destroying the bones & teeth then reburying and the next minute they're openly declaring their crimes to the world. Which is it? Next, I'm not the only person why disputes that the alleged plan to destroy Europe's Jews was the focus of the Wannsee Conference. Yahuda Bauer dismisses your assertion as a "silly story" EXCERPT "That the Wannsee Conference never discussed killing Jews in any way, has actually been confirmed in public by Yehuda Bauer, professor of Holocaust Studies at the Avraham Harman Institute of Contemporary Jewry at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. As long ago as 1992(!), Bauer, speaking at a conference held in London to mark the fiftieth anniversary of the Wannsee meeting, told the audience that the claim that Wannsee was a “master plan” to kill Jews was nothing a but a “silly story.” "CONTINUED (2) Re: I've already stated that Allied aerial photos show neither enough coal/coke supplies nor smoke to have burned anywhere close to 700,000 bodies per year. My car has the capacity to go 140 mph but that doesn't mean I've ever driven it that fast or intend to. Re: How do you know that none left or how many survived the war. Millions of people were displaced & wandering throughout Europe during & long after the war. Whatever happened to them, their bodies are not at Treblinka: Finally, I don't dispute that the 4.5 million Jews under direct German control were persecuted, robbed & in many cases, placed in work camps where many were executed but more died from typhus & related diseases especially toward the end of the War when, according to the Red Cross, the Germans were unable to supply the camps or even themselves. "No Bodies Found at Treblinka" http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2014/01/no-bodies-found-at-treblinka.html (1) "GERMAN HOLOCAUST GERMAN GENOCIDE: 9-15 Million Germans Killed 1945 – 1953 Post WW2 “The Morgenthau Plan” EISENHOWER’S DEATH CAMPS “A Forgotten Genocide” http://truedemocracyparty.net/2014/...eisenhowers-death-camps-a-forgotten-genocide/ (2) "The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed" http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/
I don't waste my time with insulting & deluded individuals who deliberately distort my views & true opinions. Take your flame bait & get lost.
the Wannsee Conference states that the deportation of Jews to the East was only a step towards the Final Solution to the Jewish problem. if deportation wasn't the Final Solution, tell us...what was? and when the Wannsee Conference states that many Jews put to work will die, but a few strong Jews will survive and must be dealt with accordingly so that they do not form a future army of Jews, how exactly will they be "dealt with"? Himmler and Eichmann literally discuss the destruction of the Jewish people. and you and your kin deny it...because there us no discovered direct verbatim Order by Hitler to "exterminate all the Jews"????? you guys are hilarious!!!!! I guess the Nazis were just a little more clever than you.
Is that the best rebuttal you can come up with after being repeatedly debunked? As always, I'm content to let rational readers be the judge of what is "bullshit" & what is not
this is false. 9.2 million Jews were under the direct control of the Nazis or their Fascist allies. this includes the 2 million Jews under Nazi control in Ukraine from 1941 to 1944, and the almost 1 million Jews in Fascist Romania, and at least 1.5 million more Jews throughout southern and Eastern Europe. only 4.5 million Jews could have been killed by the Nazis and their allies?? haaa!!! nothing but more Denier dishonesty.
-Himmler and Eichmann clearly discussed the mass-murder of millions of Jews. -9.2 million Jews fell under the direct control of the Nazis or their allies, for several years during WW2. -The Wannsee Conference states that the deportation of the Jews to Poland is but a step to the Final Solution and that Jews able to work will work, many will surely die, and those strong enough to survive will be dealt with accordingly so as to prevent an army of strong Jews to take vengeance upon Germany. -The Nazi leader in control of Poland demanded that the Jews of Poland face the Final Solution first, even though they were already in the location of deportation. -there are reports of around 800,000 Jews being shipped to Treblinka, but no reports of them being shipped FROM Treblinka. prove me wrong.
We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? – I have decided on a solution to this problem. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men only – in other words, to kill them or have them killed while allowing the avengers, in the form of their children, to grow up in the midst of our sons and grandsons. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. — Heinrich Himmler, 6 October 1943
Bullshit. You keep posting this holocaust denial crap with regularity. I do not distort you're views, but you then again you NEVER actually state your "TRUE" opinions, you cloak them in pseudo-academic garbage and anecdotal generalizations. The fact I am far more knowledgeable than you about holocaust denial and every time you post that poisoned bullshit I can counter it with facts is your problem. You can't get away with your bullshit here. Try stormfront.
Awwwww, poor boy can't quite wrap his mind around the fact that nobody around here is buying into his bullshit.
NO amount of facts can sway the denier. Denial isn't motivated by facts, its motivated by bigotry in all its ignorance. You can hit them over the head with facts and they keep rinsing and repeating the same tired bullshit or whine about how people like us "insult" them and demand we run away. I suppose truth can sometimes be insulting to those who only have a passing acquaintance with same.
You can't overcome the entrenched confirmation bias of bigotry. You can see virtually EVERY tactic of revisionist "scholarship" in his replies. Not even evidence like the direct confessions of Eichmann and Suchomel (both can be found on youtube) can dent the stone walls of their intellectual seigfried line .
it doesn't take a ****ing genius to read the rantings of Hitler, Himmler, Goering, and understanding what their ultimate goal was. it wasn't the deportation of 11 million Jews to Poland, where the Jews would live their happy lives and continue to prosper and grow in numbers and power. the destruction of the Jews of Europe was their agenda, their goal, and they talk about it before and during the war. deny it? go ahead and live in bigoted ignorance.
