About the Holocaust

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  1. Ronstar

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    FACT- Nazi violence against the Jews began before the American anti-Nazi boycott.

    But of course the Nazis used the boycott as an excuse to persecute the Jews even more, EVEN though the Jews of Germany condemned the boycott, out of fear it would be used as an excuse by the Nazis to persecute them more.
     
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    the anti-Nazi boycott was declared as a reaction to Nazi violence against the Jews after their election win in 1933.

    the Jews of Germany rejected this boycott, out of fear it would be used as an excuse to further persecute the Jews.

    how did the Nazis react to the anti-Nazi boycott that was rejected by the Jews of Germany??? they passed the Nuremberg Laws, which stripped German Jews of their citizenship and persecuted them, barring them from working in all sorts of industries, and having relationships with Germans.
     
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    ANOTHER EVASION & MORE NONSENSE


    Why can't you bring yourself to address the FACT that no mass graves have been found at Treblinka and according to the Red Cross and the former East German government, no more than about 280,000 people(*) of all backgrounds died in the German work camps with the vast majority dying of disease and natural causes?

    Anti Jewish sentiment existed throughout Europe (1) but until the international Jewish declaration of war against "Hitler's people", Jews prospered in Germany more than any other country.

    Germany's National Socialist Party didn't even come into power until 1933.



    (*) "INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS (IRC) DOCUMENT CONFIRMS 271 THOUSAND NOT 6 MILLION DIED IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS"
    https://archive.org/details/auschwitz_201905

    EXCERPTS:

    "OFFICIAL INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS RECORDS RELEASED

    Sealed and guarded since the end of WWII at Arolsen, Germany, the Official IRC records reveal the actual Concentration Camp total death toll was 271,301

    For years, people around the world – “the West” in particular – have been told that “six million Jews were systematically murdered by Germans in ‘Concentration Camps’ during World War 2.”

    Thousands of honest people disputing this claim have been viciously smeared as a hateful anti-Semite. Several countries around the world have jailed and heavily fined people for disputing the claim that “6 Million” Jews were killed.

    Red Cross and East German government figures put the total deaths at every camp as 272.000, and 282,000 respectively which includes homosexuals, communists, gypsies, murderers, paedophiles etc. The 6 Million figure is a Kabbalist number, a magickal figure which featured in news papers in the early 1900’s." CONTINUED



    (1) "1946 US report said ‘Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans’"

    "Post-war declassified State Department document found long history of Polish anti-Semitism before, during and after Holocaust"

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/1946-...ed-the-jews-as-vigorously-as-did-the-germans/

    EXCERPT "A US State Department report from May 15, 1946, found “evidence that Poles persecuted the Jews as vigorously as did the Germans” during the World War II Nazi occupation of Poland."CONTINUED
     
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    FYI-the Nuremberg Laws and other Nazi laws persecuted Jews, regardless of their membership in a Socialist or Communist party. In fact membership in such groups wasn't even mentioned in these laws. The only factor to justify persecution was being a Jew.
     
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    To be more specific, the German Zionist Federation worked closely with Germany's National Socialists to formulate the Nuremberg Race Laws and prohibit intermarriage.


    "Zionism and the Third Reich"
    https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

    EXCERPTS
    "Six months after Hitler came to power, the Zionist Federation of Germany (by far the largest Zionist group in the country) submitted a detailed memorandum to the new government…

    …because we, too, are against mixed marriage and are for maintaining the purity of the Jewish group and reject any trespasses in the cultural domain,…

    Active Collaboration

    On this basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and nationhood, National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what each group believed was in its own national interest. As a result, the Hitler government vigorously supported Zionism and Jewish emigration to Palestine from 1933 until 1940-1941, when the Second World War prevented extensive collaboration.

    Conclusion

    In spite of the basic hostility between the Hitler regime and international Jewry, for several years Jewish Zionist and German National Socialist interests coincided. In collaborating with the Zionists for a mutually desirable and humane solution to a complex problem, the Third Reich was willing to make foreign exchange sacrifices, impair relations with Britain and anger the Arabs. Indeed, during the 1930s no nation did more to substantively further Jewish-Zionist goals than Hitler's Germany." CONTINUED
     
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    One of the biggest filthy Nazis was Mufti Haj Amin el Husaaini.
    He met with Hitler to discuss and plan the murder of all jews in the Middle East.
    Tfu on him.
    Kalb.
    The "father" of the so called Palestinians.
     
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    Interesting how most Holocaust Deniers deny the Holocaust by praising Hitler.
     
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    It's even more interesting that you must resort to off topic gossip to evade discussing why no mass graves were found in Treblinka(1), (2) if "800,000 died there as you claim.

    Because there are so few human remains at all the other German work camps, the figures presented by the former East German government and impartial International Red Cross must be true. Unlike the fraudulent Holocaust Industry's (3), (4) claim of millions of deaths by gas and other dramatic means, the far more reputable Red Cross and former East German death count in all the German work camps, combined, were 272,000 and 282,000 respectively,(5) not "millions" as you have claimed.

    Please simply explain why there no mass graves found at Treblinka by two separate teams using sophisticated equipment as well as aerial imaging and photography. (1), (2)




    (1) “Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves”
    https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php

    EXCERPT “A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there.” CONTINUED



    (2) “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.” CONTINUED



    (3) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (4)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED



    (5) "INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS (IRC) DOCUMENT CONFIRMS 271 THOUSAND NOT 6 MILLION DIED IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS"

    https://archive.org/details/auschwitz_201905

    EXCERPTS:

    "OFFICIAL INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS RECORDS RELEASED

    Sealed and guarded since the end of WWII at Arolsen, Germany, the Official IRC records reveal the actual Concentration Camp total death toll was 271,301

    For years, people around the world – “the West” in particular – have been told that “six million Jews were systematically murdered by Germans in ‘Concentration Camps’ during World War 2.”

    Thousands of honest people disputing this claim have been viciously smeared as a hateful anti-Semite. Several countries around the world have jailed and heavily fined people for disputing the claim that “6 Million” Jews were killed.

    Red Cross and East German government figures put the total deaths at every camp as 272.000, and 282,000 respectively which includes homosexuals, communists, gypsies, murderers, paedophiles etc. The 6 Million figure is a Kabbalist number, a magickal figure which featured in news papers in the early 1900’s." CONTINUED

     
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    Because you never gave facts. You only repeat revisionist lies that were refuted decades ago. :(

    This is an American discussion board. HC denial isn't a crime in the US. So I don't have to fear prosecution. Only the moderators may kick me out if they don't accept someone lying about Nazi history.
     
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    Let one of the perpetrators himself tell you the story of Treblinka. Franz Suchomel was one of the worst butchers in Hitler's name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Suchomel

     
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    The article you found is over 2 years old and discusses what they hope to find after digging a 4sq m. patch only 10 - 15cm deep.
    If anything significant had been found subsequently don't you think it would have been reported?

    A 4m sq patch (about 14' sq) is hardly a "mass grave" and the remains of 800,000 would be impossible to miss.

    Finally, tourists have been known to deposit cremated remains and other trinkets on the ground.



    (1) “Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves”
    https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php

    EXCERPT “A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there.” CONTINUED



    (2) “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.” CONTINUED
     
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    Re:
    Why, then have you been entirely unable to refute anything I have written and supported throughout this entire thread?

    For example, did the British break the secret German "Enigma" code or not?

    If there was a genocidal German agenda, why is there no mention of it in any of the secret German radio transmissions?

    Please don't make up some nonsense about a "code within a code".

    “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE”
    https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED
     
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    Hitler, Berlin 1939-

    "I have very often in my lifetime been a prophet and have been mostly derided. At the time of my struggle for power it was in the first instance the Jewish people who only greeted with laughter my prophecies that I would someday take over the leadership of the state and of the entire people of Germany and then, among other things, also bring the Jewish problem to its solution. I believe that this hollow laughter of Jewry in Germany has already stuck in its throat. I want today to be a prophet again: if international finance Jewry inside and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, the result will be not the Bolshevization of the earth and thereby the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe."




    Of course, you will deny it.

    As denial is the game.
     
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    There's nothing to deny since you've still got no evidence that Hitler had any intention to destroy Europe's Jews.

    Firstly, Hitler didn't speak English so any translation composed by holocaustians is at least suspect since holocaustians have such a dismal history of lying.

    Secondly, the passage you've cherry picked is a conditional prediction, not a declaration of intention to kill all of Europe's Jews. It also shows, again, the degree to which early Bolshevism / Communism was dominated by Jewish leadership.(1)

    You're still grabbing at straws.


    “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190



    (1) “Putin: First Soviet government was mostly Jewish”
    https://www.jpost.com/jewish-world/...st-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish-317150

    EXCERPT “Russian President Vladimir Putin said that at least 80 percent of the members of the first Soviet government were Jewish.” CONTINUED
     
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    I was hoping that you would dig up the futile search for "mass graves" that C.S. Colls led because she led the same clown show that finally admitted that they found no mass graves:

    “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.” CONTINUED


    Even better, these desperate hucksters confused a tile maker's mark with the Star of David and tried to pass it off as "proof" that they had found a "gas chamber":


    "Smithsonian Red-Faced after “Treblinka Star of David Tiles” Shown to be Not Jewish At All"
    http://newobserveronline.com/smithsonian-red-faced-after-treblinka-star-of-david-tiles-shown-to-be-not-jewish-at-all/

    EXCERPT "The Smithsonian Institutes’ TV documentary division has been severely embarrassed with the revelation that its recently-released “Treblinka: Hitler’s Killing Machine” documentary—which claimed to have “proved” the existence of “gas chambers” at Treblinka because of the discovery of “tiles with Stars of David,” is an extremely amateurish hoax.

    But, even worse for Colls, Schute, and the Smithsonian, the symbol which they all claim to be a “Star of David” is nothing of the sort.

    It is in fact a brand mark of the 125-year old Dziewulski i Lange porcelain factory in Poland. That factory still exists, although it was renamed the Opoczno Terracotta Products Factory in 1950 and is today just called Opoczno S.A.

    "CONTINUED
     
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    I've already shown you that the Zionist dominated Wikipedia uses fake photos and fraudulent text in relation to WW 2 and the holocaust and Suchomel's "confession" is no less fraudulent. (4)

    Why do you keep using Zionist dominated sources when you've already been shown their dishonest bias on Post # 2658?


    (1) “Zionist Control of WikiPedia
    http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/at...ls-the-media/429-zionist-control-of-wikipedia

    EXCERPT “And as shown in our section on Google, this Internet search-engine is well in the hands of Zionist Jews and also cooperates openly with Zionist organizations such as ADL and the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) to control the searches and censoring information and certain sites.

    This means that apart from Wikipedia other sites may be censored when Googling any given subject.” CONTINUED


    (2) "Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY



    (3) "The right's latest weapon: 'Zionist editing' on Wikipedia" Haaretz"
    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2010/08/the-rights-latest-weapon-zionist-editing-on-wikipedia-haaretz.html

    EXCERPT"Now the Yesha Council of settlements and another right-wing group, Israel Sheli, are embarking on a Wikipedia battle: Zionist editing on the Web-based encyclopedia.

    The course was designed to teach how to register for, contribute to and edit for Wikipedia."CONTINUED




    (4) "The Suchomel “Confession” in Claude Lanzmann’s “Shoah” Movie"
    .http://peterwinterwriting.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-suchomel-confession-in-claude.html

    EXCERPT "Most importantly however, the interview with Suchomel was clearly done with more than one camera—directly contradicting Lanzmann’s claims in theNew York Times. A stationary, hidden camera in a bag would only show one angle of a “secret” interview—but instead, as can be seen from the screenshots below, there are at least four different camera angles, each taken at differing focal lengths and perspectives—something that would be impossible with just one “hidden camera.”

    It is clear from this narrative alone, that even if Lanzmann did not tamper with the fuzzy film “interview”, all that Suchomel said was the typical “do-not-deny-it-happened-but-just-deny-that-I-was-involved” type confession which was the only way to avoid being caught up in further legal trouble in post-war Germany."CONTINUED
     
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    So you're saying Hitler was right to see all Jews as Communists? And send them all to death camps and concentration camps?

    Interesting.
     
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    Yes and No.

    Any good encryption scheme depends entirely on the keys. The algorithm itself doesn't really matter. The Brits cracked some keys, so they could convert some German ciphertext messages back into plain text. But they failed on cracking other keys.

    There are still some Enigma-encrypted messages from WW2 around, waiting to be decrypted, which means finding the corresponding keys. There's a monetary prize available for those who manage that. Wouldn't this be a much nicer way to spend leisure time? Definitely better than denying the Holocaust, eh? :D
     
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    You're messing up something. Zionism today is directed against the Palestinian people. Zionists don't have to distort Holocaust history, nor do they need to.
     
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    Adolph announces the Holocaust: https://www.bitchute.com/video/Egdw0bcSJBoV/
     
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    What is "Interesting" as well as revealing is your need to distort my sentiments.

    As is evident by the great number of holocaust survivors, most Jews never saw the inside of a German work camp. Some were even members of Hitler's National Socialist Party(4) and some even served in Germany's military. (5)

    Hitler saw what happened in Russia when Russia's predominately Jewish led Communist Party(1) took over the country, executed the Czar and his family and really did kill millions (2). Hitler's fear was that Jewish led Communism would consume all of Germany too.

    The extent to which early Communism / Bolshevism was Jewish dominated is evident in the following quotes from Jewish individuals:

    "QUOTES FROM THE JEWS"
    https://www.truthfromgod.com/articles/jews_created_communism.html


    “Anti-Communism is anti-Semitism.”
    Jewish Voice (New York: National Council of Jewish Communists), July-August 1941, p. 23

    “Some call it Marxism - I call it Judaism.”
    Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, in the American Bulletin of May 15, 1935

    “The revolution in Russia is a Jewish revolution”
    The Maccabean (New York), Nov. 1905, p, 250

    “Jewry is the mother of Marxism.”
    Le Droit de Vivre, May 12, 1936

    “Judaism is Marxism, communism”
    Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 64

    “The communist soul is the soul of Judaism.”
    Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 143

    “The picture which the Soviet Union presents today is one that should bring rejoicing to world Jewry.”
    The Youngstown Jewish Times, Sept. 18, 1936, page 51

    --------------------------------------------------

    So, with Jewish led Communism threatening Germany from the East and from within and the Jewish declaration of war from the West,(3) Hitler perceived the Jewish leadership of these movements as a real threat to any chance of German recovery from both the draconian Treaty of Versailles and the Great Depression.

    So, it is a myth that Hitler put restrictions and / or incarcerated some Jews just because or their religious / ethnic background.

    If Hitler and the National Socialist (NS) leadership hated Jews just because they were Jews, they wouldn't have allowed Jews to become high ranking members of the NS Party(4) or serve in Germany's military where they rose to the highest ranks and received Germany's highest military honors(5).

    Therefore, your assertion that all Jews were sent to German work camps simply because they were Jewish is false on both counts.




    (1) “Putin: First Soviet government was mostly Jewish”
    https://www.jpost.com/jewish-world/...st-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish-317150

    EXCERPT “Russian President Vladimir Putin said that at least 80 percent of the members of the first Soviet government were Jewish.” CONTINUED


    (2) "Stalin's Jews"

    "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.

    In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges.

    Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."CONTINUED


    (3) "Full text of "Jews Declare War On Germany 1933"
    https://archive.org/stream/JewsDecl...304/Jews declare war on Germany 1933_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT "Long before the Hitler government began restricting the rights of the German Jews, the leaders of the worldwide Jewish community formally declared war on the "New Germany" at a time when the U.S. government and even the Jewish leaders in Germany were urging caution in dealing with the new Hitler regime."CONTINUED


    (4) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED


    (5) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED
     
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