About the Holocaust

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  1. Grau

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    My last question to you was:

    "If blueprints, work orders and photos of homicidal German gas chambers exist why can't you produce anything other than fakes?"

    Now since you cannot produce any valid evidence that the Germans used homicidal gas chambers, you change the subject.

    You can trot out all the holocaustian propaganda you want but anyone who has already been shown that about 150,000 Jews served in Germany's military(1), countless high ranking Jews in the National Socialist Party(2) and no order from Hitler for the destruction of Jews(3) and still believes the genocidal agenda myth is either a liar or a fool.

    I am not a "holocaust denier" because I do not deny that the holocaust happened. It's that simple.

    The desperate need by holocaustians to misrepresent the positions of others is entirely in keeping with their general dishonesty when it comes to WW 2 and the Holocaust Industry.

    The fraudulent Holocaust Industry and its complicit Hollywood movie moguls started out with lies about human skin lampshades, human fat soap and shrunken heads and they're still lying today about non existent homicidal has chambers and a mythical genocidal German agenda.

    Why continue to believe proven liars?




    (1) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED


    (2) “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED


    (3) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190
     
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    But you deny the Nazi genocidal agenda against the Jews. That's Holocaust Denial par excellence. :(

    You're repeating the same falsehoods over and over: "Hollywood made up the entire HC story!" :( This is another evidence that you are an HC denier.
    Hollywood's business is entertainment but not writing history!

    Btw, I don't call you HC denier to insult you. It just fits!
    Anyone who sees the Holocaust as a simple accident is a Holocaust denier.
     
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    No, according to the ADL study I've shown(1) there are people who deny that the holocaust ever happened; those who consider it a myth.(1)
    Those are the only true "holocaust deniers"

    I acknowledge that many innocent Jews were arrested, put into work camps where some were executed but most died of disease or natural causes.

    A more accurate term for my views, according to the literature, would be "revisionist" so if you want to be perfectly clear you'll use the term "holocaust denier" for those few who feel that it is entirely a myth and "revisionist" for the majority of the world who know the standard holocaust narrative to be grossly exaggerated.

    Meanwhile, I asked you several times to show evidence of a real German homicidal gas chamber and you have so far been able to do so.
    Specifically, my last question to you was:

    "If blueprints, work orders and photos of homicidal German gas chambers exist why can't you produce anything other than fakes?"

    Really....... think..... if 3 million Jews were gassed to death as you claim, gas chambers, gas chamber parts, gas chamber blueprints, photos and gas chamber related radio transmission would be all over the place(2) but all there is is crackpot here say from people who claimed to have been gassed 6 times(3)

    Even the impartial Red Cross and Vatican interviewed former work camp internees and none of them mention "gassing"(4)

    How can you believe such fantastic hoaxes as homicidal gas chambers when the facts show that they're not true?


    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED


    (2) "The Enemy Is Listening!"
    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/8/1/4028

    EXCERPT "Oddly, only a very few Holocaust historians were interested in the information on the concentration camps. The reason for this astonishing lack of interest is presumably due to the following remark by author Hinsley:

    The messages from Auschwitz, the largest camp, with 20,000 inmates,[4] mention disease as the chief cause of death, but also include references to executions by hanging and shooting. The decoded messages contain no references to gassings." CONTINUED


    (3) “Dozens & Dozens of the Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://wolfgangrudolf.blogspot.com/2016/12/dozens-dozens-of-most-outrageous-tales.html

    EXCERPTS:
    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED


    (4) The Problems of Mass Gassing
    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm
    • EXCERPT "The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED
     
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    Apparently you didn't read my Post # 2796 because I never said: "Hollywood made up the entire HC story!"

    I wrote:
    "The origin of the shrunken head, human skin lampshade, human fat etc hoaxes was part of the Holocaust Industry's complicit Hollywood propagandists. (1) Specifically, it was Billy Wilder's movie, "Death Mills" that earlier featured the shrunken head, human skin lampshade, human fat soap etc hoaxes."

    It's simply another irrefutable fact that Hollywood has been and remains deeply committed to producing WW 2 and holocaust propaganda.


    (1) "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps"
    https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/

    EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war.

    But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED
     
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    Yeah, that's Hollywood, bro.

    They mix reality with fantasy and turn that mix into movies. They lure people into cinema to get the money out of their pockets. They don't care how many Holcaust deniers there are in the world.

    So, if you want to learn about HC history, please never do that by watching Hollywood films. :(
     
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    The thing is that the same myths you believe (genocidal German agenda, homicidal gas chambers, "6 million Jews killed" etc) are the stock in trade of the typical melodramatic holocaust movie.

    Based on the myths you already claim to believe, it's as if everything you learned about the holocaust came from these same phony Hollywood movies.
    All the Germans are represented as ugly and cruel, robotic idiots and, of course, all the Jews are represented as brave, wise and saintly tragic heroes.

    Briefly put, all the "documentaries" etc that you've seen are no more than staged propaganda flicks(1) like Billy Wilder's "Death Mills" that represented the shrunken heads, fake human skin pocketbooks, and human fat soap etc as factual.

    As if the standard holocaust narrative were not sensational enough, now there's even "Holo-porn" (2) for those not titillated enough by gruesome piles of nude bodies.

    Now, several days ago I asked:
    "If blueprints, work orders and photos of homicidal German gas chambers exist why can't you produce anything other than fakes?"

    If 3 million Jews were killed in homicidal gas chambers there would be irrefutable evidence everywhere yet:

    “Investigations of physical evidence and original documentation, however, have cast doubts on the Holocaust narrative that has been formed. For example, areas claimed to be mass graves, have been found with modern investigative technology to contain no human remains. Testimonies of accused perpetrators show evidence of outright fabrication, or were obtained through torture. Many of the supposed eyewitnesses have provided stories riddled by inconsistencies, describe physically impossible events, or were even total frauds who were never actually in the camps.” (1)



    (1) “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”
    https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder

    EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe."

    If you thumb through the photographs and film macabre film clips made by these directors, you will notice something odd. Among the living, many of the forlorn faces of the "death camp survivors" look oddly familiar. That is because some of the same actors were used in several shots, from totally different locations! The involvement of film crews also goes to explain why almost all of the "concentration camp" shots were dated at least 4-5 days after the camps were liberated. They were location shots, sometimes using prisoners (minus their usual camp clothing), and sometimes actors.” CONTINUED



    (2) "Israel's Nazi-porn problem"
    https://www.salon.com/2008/04/11/stalags/


    EXCERPT " Yet the newsstands in the Tel Aviv bus station sold racks of semi-pornographic pulp novels known as "Stalags," whose utterly implausible, Penthouse Forum-meets-Marquis de Sade plots ventured into the most forbidden terrain imaginable. Stalags all followed essentially the same formula: An American or British World War II pilot (generally not Jewish) is shot down behind enemy lines, where he is imprisoned, tortured and raped by an entire phalanx of sadistic, voluptuous female SS officers. His body violated but his spirit unbroken, the plucky Yank or Brit escapes in the end to rape and murder his captors." CONTINUED
     
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    Exaggerated dramatization of a disaster isn't very difficult. And this is what Hollywood does. They made a lot of money with the Holocaust. Is that reprehensible? I guess it's not.

    Nope; I already told you that I'm on my way to becoming an HC denier. I compared reputable sources with the nonsense of the "Revisionists". Not a single Hollywood film was among the sources.

    I don't like such movies. But Neo-Nazis often love them. They see their proud, heroic Nazi ancestors fighting the Jewish world plague.

    Neo-Nazis deny the HC outwardly, but they celebrate it among their comrades. :(
     
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    The issue is not how much money has been made by Hollywood's propaganda movies but how many people still believe the innumerable myths from its deliberate deceptions. Virtually everything you claim to believe is the same as Hollywood's propaganda myths.

    Re:
    I don't understand what you mean.
    What did you compare with "reputable sources"? What do you consider a "reputable source"?

    By the way, Billy Wilder's "Death Mills" is among the many nonsensical holocaust "documentaries" that featured the shrunken heads, fake human skin pocketbooks, fake human skin lampshades, fake human skin lampshades, fake human fat soap etc. Innocent people were actually executed based on that and related nonsense.

    Re:
    In what way are you on your way to becoming a holocaust denier?
    What things have caused you to see the the standard holocaust narrative is mostly false?

    Finally, why can't you produce an authentic photo, blueprint or work order for a homicidal gas chamber? Is the fact that they did not exist one of the reasons you're on your way to being a "holocaust denier"?
     
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    This is indeed a disadvantage for you HC denying "revisionists".
    The Hollywood guys can let their imaginations run wild. They aren't tied to the science of history.

    I can't say that would bother me in any way. :)
     
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    The problem is that most of what you believe about WW 2 and the holocaust is the fictional product of the corrupt Holocaust Industry (1), (2) and the imaginations of the "Hollywood guys" (3), (4) who simply used Allied propaganda as a script to effectively deceive millions of people who do not look at historical events objectively.

    Most all of the holocaust story is simply melodramatic fiction like the "human vaporizer", the "conveyor belt of death" and "homicidal gas chambers".

    The fact that you have been unable to produce an authentic photo or blueprint of a homicidal gas chamber means that it's just as much a product of Allied propaganda as the earlier frauds produced by the Holocaust Industry: human skin pocketbooks, shrunken heads, human fat soap etc.

    You should read some of the absurd "eyewitness accounts" that dishonest holocaust survivors spread around schools and other public speaking forums.(5)

    Would you really believe someone claiming to be a holocaust survivor who said that they survived 2 gassing attempts by simply climbing out of a window?




    (1)"17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (2)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


    (3) “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”
    https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder

    EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe."

    If you thumb through the photographs and film macabre film clips made by these directors, you will notice something odd. Among the living, many of the forlorn faces of the "death camp survivors" look oddly familiar. That is because some of the same actors were used in several shots, from totally different locations! The involvement of film crews also goes to explain why almost all of the "concentration camp" shots were dated at least 4-5 days after the camps were liberated. They were location shots, sometimes using prisoners (minus their usual camp clothing), and sometimes actors.” CONTINUED


    (4) "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps"
    https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/

    EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war.

    But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED


    (5) "More Preposterous Tales of the Holocaust"
    http://wolfgangrudolf.blogspot.com/2016/12/dozens-dozens-of-most-outrageous-tales.html
    EXCERPT

     
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    If there were any truth to the holocaust story, you would have been able to refute even one of my previous comments that prove the holocaust legend to be one of the most profitable conspiracy theories in modern history.

    As far as "Holocaust deniers" go, only about 1/3 of the world's population(1) is gullible enough to believe the myths generated by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry (2), (3) and its complicit Hollywood myth makers who worked and work closely with Allied propagandists(4) to demonize the Germans whose war crimes were no worse than those of the Allies.

    Please feel free to attempt to refute anything I have written in this thread.

    There is no "shame" in telling the irrefutable truth in the face of baseless slander.



    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED


    (2) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (3)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


    (4) "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps"
    https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/

    EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war.

    But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED
     
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    We've had that many times before! 99% of Holocaust deniers won't accept any refutation of their claims. For them, Holocaust debates are more of a struggle against a Jewish world conspiracy than a (re)search for historical truth. :(

    Nobody wants to demonize Germans. It was the Nazi party that hijacked Germany. Germans mostly are decent people, but Nazis are not! :(
     
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    That's because you cannot refute the innumerable facts I've posted that prove that the holocaust is perhaps the most profitable and fraudulent conspiracy theory in modern history.

    1. Why are there no secret German radio transmissions referring to "gas chambers", a genocidal agenda, disposal of "millions of bodies" etc?

    2. Why were there high ranking Jews in Germany's National Socialist Party if the goal was to wipe out all Jews?

    3. Why were Jewish members of Germany's military who rose to the highest ranks and received Germany's highest military honors with Hitler's full knowledge and approval?

    4. Why are there no mass graves where there are supposed to be?

    5. Why are there no blueprints, work orders or photos of a real homicidal gas chambers?

    6. The Holocaust Industry has a long and proven reputation of lying (human skin lampshades, shrunken heads, human fat soap). Why trust greedy and proven liars?

    7. Why is there no written order from Hitler for the destruction of Europe's Jews when there are written orders from Eisenhower, Stalin and Churchill for mass murder?.

    8. If Auschwitz was really a "Death Camp", why were there hospitals, swimming pools and recreational activities for the inmates?

    9. Western doctors performed thousands of autopsies yet not one person was found to have been killed by gas. Why?

    10. The Red Cross and the Vatican interviewed thousands of former inmates yet not one of them claimed to know anything about homicidal gas chambers.

    And the list of facts debunking the standard holocaust narrative goes on and on.

    These are not "claims", these are facts that I have supported throughout this thread and you have been unable to refute.

    If there were any truth to the holocaust story you would be able to refute these facts but, instead you spend most of your time slandering people you chose to call "Holocaust deniers" when only a tiny percent of of the world's population claims that the holocaust didn't happen.

    If you wish to continue this exchange, please stop the evasive nonsense about "Holocaust deniers" and attempt to refute the facts I have listed above and support your refutation with a credible source.

    Thanks,
     
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    Interesting thread in light of the Whoppi comments which for the most part were factual and not hateful though she is implying that white lives matter less.

    Some of my problems with Jews and the Holocaust today.

    1. Trying to win the victim Olympics:
    It is what Candace Owens says about blacks and I love it. Jews are right there with them.
    Jews have family incomes 2X higher than Gentile whites. They are enormously successful in America and influential well beyond their numbers. Good for them they earned it. But stop trying to take every hate crime and making a broader political issue out of it.
    There have been 5 zillion movies and tv specials made about the Holocaust and very few about the atrocities of the Japanese in that same war.

    2. Jews are not special and they are not a race:
    I'm an anti theist who has no religious belief. Sorry but I do not buy this chosen people BS. 92% of Jews in the USA are white. I'm sure that number was higher in Germany in the 1930s. There are only 4 races so every Jew on earth belongs to one of those 4. Mostly white!
    https://www.pewforum.org/2021/05/11/race-ethnicity-heritage-and-immigration-among-u-s-jews/

    3. Semite and Jew are not the same thing:
    The term anti Semitic when referring to Jews is moronic. Semites are the people of the middle east. Arabs are Semites. It would be idiotic to call an Arab anti Semitic if he doesn't like Jews.

    4. Other oppressed and murdered white people:
    Hitler invaded white countries only. While the Nazis killed 6 million Jews they killed 14 million other white people as well. Those are not people who died in military combat they are people murdered. Almost as many Slavs were killed as Jews. By design. Where are the Slav memorials?
     
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    That's right, but Hitler and his SS gangsters thought so. And this did mean the death "penalty" for Millions of Jews. :(
     
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    Bullshit. The Armenian genocide by the Turks killed as many a million Christian Armenians out of a population of less than 3 million total.

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/asia-and-africa/middle-eastern-history/levantine

    Armenians were forced to march in the Syrian desert with no food and water. They just marched them until they died.

    Jews do not have some monopoly on victimhood.
     
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    I don't care what the Nazi's thought. Jew is not a race.
     
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    What about the ties to Bolshevism? The idea that Jews were primarily responsible for the Russian revolution and communism?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

    Jews were also blamed for the German defeat in WW1.

    So the perception of what Jews did, what they supported and what they believed was a motivating force for hating them and killing them. Nothing to do with race.
     
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    Thanks for joining this thread. It's good to get some fresh viewpoints on this interesting yet highly controversial topic.

    If you have read any of my Posts you will see that I do believe that the holocaust happened. After researching the topic and having known, lived with and / or worked with holocaust survivors, German & Allied WW 2 Veterans and numerous Germans who survived the horrors of the war and Allied/Soviet post war occupation I do not believe the grossly distorted standard holocaust narrative.

    Even though the majority of the world shares my sentiments (1), most people in the West have been professionally deceived by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry (2), (3), Hollywood story tellers and residual Allied propaganda.

    It seems that most brainwashed holocaustians seem unable to grasp the simple reality that the Allies used atrocity propaganda too and once a propaganda lie has been circulated, it must be maintained such as the homicidal gas chamber myth(4).

    Re:
    Unlike the insatiably greedy Holocaust Industry, its PR army and its master extortionists, I believe that most Jews are honest enough enough to agree with you.

    For example, it was through the Israeli news source that I learned about the murderous Genrikh Yagoda (5) and the cornucopia of other Jewish henchmen whose sadistic atrocities equalled or exceeded any of the heavily hyped German villains of holocaust lore.

    In spite of the fact that far more people died at the hands of these sadistic Bolsheviks, Hollywood myth makers have ensured that "THE Holocaust®" eclipses far more horrific events in the minds of those unwilling or too lazy to question its innumerable physical impossibilities.

    It is only through objective research and critical thinking that one is able to grasp the reality that no nationality, race, religious or ethnic group has a monopoly on either good or evil.

    Thanks,



    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED


    (2) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (3) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


    (4) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.
     
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    In case there is still someone around who hasn't caught on yet that the holocaust is vastly embellished, may read the following letter written to Nathaniel Kapner:
    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/02/06/jewish-scholar-refutes-the-holocaust/
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    Dear Grau, you surely will find all your holocaust arguments made in this thread verified in this professor's letter.
    I have posted this, because it comes from a Jewish professor who has far more clout than you and I put together! Hopefully, he will convince a few more people of the truth he is proclaiming. Still, his truth is only a theoretical truth, arrived at through logic. But, I guess that he knows more from his older relatives.
     
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    Hello Jazz,

    I have both read and heard many similar heavily censored accounts from genuine holocaust survivors, Allied POWs and other former German work camp internees that dispel the grisly myths promulgated by Hollywood, the Holocaust Industry and Western MSM.

    What they all have in common is that they are more sensible, rational and credible than the outrageous stories and gory myths of German sadism one hears via MSM, Hollywood and widely published "personal accounts" like the ones below:

    EXCERPTS:
    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED(1)
    ------------------------------

    Regrettably, the only exposure that Westerners (Americans, Europeans etc) receive is very profitable Holocaust Industry anti German slander and residual Allied propaganda.

    Yes, Goebbels and "propaganda" have almost become synonymous but his propaganda machine was pitiful compared to the American OWI and Hollywood's complicit masters of deception that continue to churn out unparalleled holocaustian fiction masquerading as fact.

    For example, Mr. Litoff is right. There is perhaps no more expensive, labor intensive and dangerous way to execute "millions" of people than the fictitious homicidal gas chamber unique to holocaust lore.
    If Germany's National Socialists wanted to kill "millions" of people, they would have used the same tools used by the Bolsheviks, Communists(2) and other real masters of mass murder about whom most Americans know nothing.

    The international, wealthy & influential Holocaust Industry & its complicit Hollywood masters have ensured that words like Hitler, Nazi Goebbels etc have become household epithets yet even serious students of 20th century Europe have never heard of real monsters like Ginrikh Yagoda or Leonid Reichman.

    It is at least naive to believe that only the "other side" used atrocity propaganda.

    The problem for the victors is what is to be done with their propaganda lies after the war is over.
    Do they quietly let it lapse into obscurity like the human vaporizer"(3) or, like the homicidal gas chamber"(4), do they stubbornly hang on to it in the hope that enough gullible "Hollywood educated" dupes will still believe it.

    It's up to the reader to decide:

    Do you want to attempt to look at history objectively and with a critical eye and risk ridicule from those who only believe only residual Allied propaganda and Holocaust Industry myths that "everybody knows"?

    Or...

    Do you need the security of conforming to debunked myths that "everyone knows"?



    (1) “Dozens & Dozens of the Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://wolfgangrudolf.blogspot.com/2016/12/dozens-dozens-of-most-outrageous-tales.html

    (2) "Stalin's Jews"

    "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.

    In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges.

    Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."CONTINUED


    (3) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED


    (4) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.
     
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    Hello, dear Grau;
    the new pixie lady from France, whom I addressed mistakenly as "Sir", mentioned that the mods had suggested to go back to the Holocaust Thread.

    So, here I am now, and I hope I find some company in shining a bit more light on this remarkable little old Jew I had never heard of before. His advice, "never give up!" really appeals to me! With renewed determination, I will continue my search for the truth about WWII!
    Unfortunately, I am almost as old as he is but by far not in as good a shape as he is!! My hearing is already a little defect, and I have difficulty understanding everything he says.

    When I listened to the story of this 100 year old Jewish judge from the Nuremberg War Trials, I thought I might find some revealing facts, that would expose some truths about the holocaust. But I soon discovered he plays with the same old stories, enhanced even with photos, that have long been identified as fakes. In particular stands out the gassing house in Auschwitz. He ignores that Auschwitz was not an extermination camp, but a work camp!!

    The photo, where German soldiers aim their rifles at a woman and child, is a known fake. Does he not know that by now?





    https://benferencz.org/
     
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