The word itself just points to it. In German, the prefix "Ver" means that something doesn't exist or live anymore after completion of a process. If this were a room to clean clothes from lice, Germans would name it "Begasungskeller". Vergasung means: killing (humans) with poison gas. But for Nazis, of course, Jews were nothing but dangerous lice.
Germanic tribes form the basis of many European nations. Even most Americans are descended from Germans. Are these all bloodthirsty barbarians? I do not think so. The Holocaust is not explicitly German. It could have happened anywhere.
Aha, Pitbull claims to understand German!! Begasungskeller... ?? There is no such Word in the German language.
"Vergasungskeller" is also a new word invented by the Nazi company that built that gruesome Jew extermination plant. I did what they did. Creating new words isn't prohibited.
Oh, spare me the nonsense about "...intelligent and mature debate" when you have desperately evaded 3 simple questions I posed months ago: Those questions were and remain: 1. Where are homicidal gas chambers and the auxiliary rooms with extensive fans & ventilation systems that were needed to heat the Zyklon B to a gaseous state and then introduce the gas into the gas chamber and, later, exhaust the deadly gas from the room so that the bodies could be cleared? 2. Do you believe that the morgue at Auschwitz that is falsely labeled as a "gas chamber" is genuine or simply a fake used to deceive gullible & poorly informed individuals? 3. Why are there no reports of seeing cherry red skin by any of the survivors?(See below) - - - - - - - STILL, you have produced absolutely not a speck of actual hard evidence that homicidal gas chambers existed anywhere in the Third Reich. After months of evasions and puerile pontifications, all you have is altered recordings and dubious testimony of a handful of desperate, mentally unbalanced men who had every motive to lie. Meanwhile the tens of thousands of former inmates interviewed by the Red Cross contradict their specious claims(1) and "JCS" blew the value of your alleged testimony out of the water with his post #309 at: http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/9-11-truthers-holocaust-deniers.474495/page-13 Even the blueprint you tried to present as evidence of "homicidal gas chambers" has them clearly marked as "delousing facilities"(2) What about the alleged "homicidal gas chambers" / morgue shown at Auschwitz 1? Are they real or are they just another prop for the fraudulent Holocaust Industry to deceive gullible tourists. (1) “The Problems of Mass Gassing” http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/ EXCERPT "The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED (2) From your own REUTERS source at Post #470: EXCERPT " One has an 11.66 meter by 11.20 meter room marked “Gaskammer” (gas chamber) that was part of a “delousing facility.” CONTINUED
I'm still not clear as to which location you are referring. Are you claiming that the "homicidal gas chamber" / morgue on display at Auschwitz 1 is an authentic homicidal gas chamber?
The term "Vergasungskeller" was mentioned in relation to crematorium 2. https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19430129-vergasungskeller/ There is also a distinction between gasification cellar (Vergasungskeller) and morgue cellar (Leichenkeller).
wow, your ability to disregard legitimate and corroborated testimony knows no limits. I have to wonder why you are even debating with us, as you clearly have no desire or intention to listen to any opposing arguments or evidence.
We Will Never Speak of It: Evidence of Hitler's Direct Responsibility for the Premeditation and Implementation of the Nazi Final Solution --> https://digitalcommons.iwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1170
Himmer admitted to the genocide. Eichmann admitted to the genocide. Kramer, Klein and other SS officers admitted to the gas chambers. Many Sonderkommando testified about the gas chambers. Many camp guards admitted to the gas chambers. But Holocaust Deniers yell, scream and moan "no no no!! It cant be true!!!" Sad. Pathetic.
Does the name Joseph G. Burg (Ginsburg) mean anything? Have his ideas already been discussed here? Check this link: https://holytransparency.wordpress....viously-a-malicious-anti-german-hoax-in-fact/ Excerpts: In 1946 Burg attended the Nuremberg trials. During one of these attendances he met Ilya Ehrenburg and a Jewish publisher who had been in Auschwitz for several years. Burg asked the publisher whether he had seen any gassing institutions for human beings and he said no. Ehrenburg, who had been the head of propaganda for the Red Army during the war, told Burg he had been to Auschwitz but he too had not seen anything of gassings. Burg wanted to prove that even at Birkenau, where gassings allegedly occurred, Jewish men and women could get special treatment. An example was Benedikt Kautsky, a Jew who was a spiritual personality in the Socialist-Marxist world movement. Kautsky was in Birkenau during the war doing office work. His mother, aged 79, was also sent to Birkenau. When she became sick she got a separate room and a special diet ordered by the doctor. This was “special treatment,” given so the woman’s life could be prolonged if not cured. She died when she was 80 years of age. When he was liberated, Dr. Kautsky returned to Vienna, Austria where he continued his scientific work. (26- 6893, 6894) In 1946, immediately after the liberation, Dr. Kautsky was one of the first to publish a book. It had the German title Teufel und Verdammte (Devil and Damned). Burg testified that the book was the truth and had historical value. However, the whole edition was burned. One and a half years later, he published another edition in which he rewrote portions and made changes. But he didn’t completely rewrite it. There was no documentation about gas chambers and Kautsky himself admitted he never saw a gas chamber himself. (26-6902) In the Lodz ghetto there was a Jewish police force, a Jewish bank, Jewish money, a Jewish post office, stamps only for Jews. There were workshops for Jews. If there was a German plan to liquidate the Jews, why were there workshops?, asked Burg. Why those expenses? Why train children for jobs? Thanks to Berlin, Burg testified, the Jews practiced a small Israel. These things could not be said today, however, because it was now said that there was a “Holocaust” and the Jews were murdered. (26-6888, 6889) The German people, not just the Nazis, had been blamed falsely; and not just Germans living in Germany but Germans living throughout the world. Burg had an interest in this because he believed it provoked hatred against Jews. Zionist leaders even today had an interest in the origination of pogroms against the Jews and Burg was testifying to prevent this. (26-6889) Burg had frequently discussed the subject of German restitution with Zündel. In Burg’s opinion, if the Holocaust hadn’t been invented, the Germans wouldn’t be paying restitution and, he pointed out, “they are paying.” He dealt with the subject in his book Guilt and Fate. (25-6850, 6851) Israel was created in 1948 and in 1951 still had no diplomatic ties with the Federal Republic of Germany. In that year, Israel gave Dr. Nahum Goldmann, a representative of the World Jewish Congress, authority to negotiate with Dr. Adenauer, the Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany, concerning Germany’s guilt. Israel, under Ben Gurion, wanted money from the “damned Germans” but didn’t want to sit down at a table together with them to negotiate. The negotiations between Goldmann and Adenauer resulted in a recognition by Germany that it had committed a holocaust against the Jews. (26-6904, 6905) Israel submitted a document to Germany stating that of four European Jews, three had been killed and for those dead people Israel demanded restitution. The document did not claim that 6 million died. Neither gassings nor murder were obvious from the document. The word used was “killed.” The initial sum of 3.5 million marks had grown and not only today’s Germans would pay but also the newborns. The sums were justified by inventions that 40 million Jews were gassed, then 25, then about 6 million, the level at which it had stayed. (26-6907) Burg told Zündel that the First World War had brought the Zionists a homestead in Palestine but not a nation. A world war had to come about. The Zionists therefore co-operated with what was known as Wall Street. Wall Street brought about the Second World War, just as they had brought about the First World War. Burg noted that the Hitler regime had also been supported because it was supposed to fight the Communists. Like the National Socialists, the Communists did not want to subordinate themselves to Wall Street. The plan of Churchill, together with the Zionists and the Americans of Wall Street, was to ensure that the National Socialists and Communists “knocked each other out.” Chaim Weizmann had stated that he was willing to sacrifice German Jewry in the interest of a state of Israel. (26- 6912, 6913, 6915)in t Burg himself believed the German people were being defamed. He had expressed this view in his books “again and again” and suffered personally as a result. Burg was happy that Zündel had learned a little from him, by not talking automatically of “Jews” but instead emphasizing “Zionists.” (25-6848 to 6851) If the Holocaust story went on the way it was going, said Burg, there would never be a sincere relationship between the Jews and the Germans. The Zionist leaders would see to that. Burg had told Zündel that films such as Holocaust and Shoah were fortifications of a falsification of history, made for the purpose of showing Germans why they had to pay and that the paying would go on for another few generations. (25-6851, 6852) ~ ~ ~ I guess, Burg will be classified as a "Self-hating Jew"! Well, he has passed away already. That Adenauer admitted the German guilt is understandable. The Jews were disowned and put into camps and surely lived a miserable life there. And without doubt, many of them died because of the stress, the hardships and lack of enough food and medicine. It is inevitable that in such crowded facilities lice and fleas like to make themselves at home. And contagious diseases spread like wildfire. Fumigation apparently couldn't keep up. I agree, Germany owes the Jewish people, but it shouldn't go on for three + generations!! That is now pure greed and totally unhelpful for a reconciliation, IF that is even wanted. Luckily for the younger generations, they saw nothing, know nothing and totally believe what they are fed via the media, film and school. So far I have been unable to find a single book by Burg. Not even in German.
He was probably never in Auschwitz-Birkenau, where the gassings took place. Auschwitz was a huge complex of more than 40 camps. Burg lost his entire family in the Holocaust. This is not the best basis for becoming a Holocaust denier. Basically, if someone has not seen something, that does not mean that something does not exist. Holocaust denier logic is full of flaws.
For all interested ... Index of Published Evidence on Mass Extermination in Auschwitz and Auschwitz-Birkenau http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html
You have neither "legitimate and corroborated testimony" nor any hard evidence that homicidal gas chambers ever existed in any of the German run camps. You have only posted vague references to a handful of desperate, unbalanced and/or tortured individuals that is contradicted by the thousands of former inmates with no agenda: EXCERPT "The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED(1) You're the one who through months of evasion cannot or will debate the fictitious "homicidal gas chambers". After debunking your assertions, I have repeatedly posed three simple questions to you over a period of months which I have simplified even further. 1. Where are homicidal gas chambers and the auxiliary rooms with extensive fans & ventilation systems that were needed to exhaust the deadly gas from the room so that the bodies could be cleared? 2. Do you believe that the morgue at Auschwitz that is falsely labeled as a "gas chamber" is genuine or simply a fake used to deceive gullible & poorly informed individuals? 3. Why are there no reports of seeing cherry red skin by any of the survivors? Flimsy and vague references to the ramblings of a handful of desperate, mentally unbalanced and/or tortured men that is contradicted by thousands of former inmates without an agenda is not hard evidence that homicidal gas chambers existed in any of the German run camps. Where is the hard evidence. (1) “The Problems of Mass Gassing” http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/
Do you refuse all Nazi gas chambers? Also those of the Operation Reinhard? Or is your doubt limited to Auschwitz only?
For the sake of simplicity, let's just take the building that is claimed to be a homicidal gas chamber at Auschwitz 1 as an example. Every day, countless tourists are shown a room claimed to be a homicidal gas chamber in a building that is just next to the former Gestapo office and across the street from a hospital. According to the standard holocaust narrative, thousands of screaming people were supposed to have been rounded up, put in lines, gassed and then cremated every day. I simply find it impossible to believe that the well organized Germans would have or could have placed a highly toxic mass gassing facility in such a location.
When Auschwitz commander Höß was ordered to kill as many Jews as possible, there was yet no plan for how to achieve that. It was up to him to develop an effective method. First, experiments were carried out with explosives. Then they tested the ZyklonB delousing agent on Russian POWs. And that works very well. The first gassings of Jews were still experimental and took place in the building of Auschwitz-1. Then the killing plants of Birkenau were built. From then on, the Holocaust was carried out professionally and industrially. Train after train, full of death row candidates, rolled in and were processed promptly by the Birkenau Death Factory. Over 1 million innocent victims died that way. For the Nazis, the gassings were legitimate executions, but none of the victims got a fair trial. They had to die simply because they were Jews.
Firstly, I am unaware of any order to exterminate anybody on a large and industrial scale as no such order has been found in hundreds of tons of documents over more than 70 years(1) Secondly, I am also unaware of experiments with explosives as a means of mass killings. I have read that the Nazis are alleged to have used a "newly invented vaporizer"(2), "homicidal steam chambers", electrocution chambers, "Conveyor Belt of Death"(3) and other implausible devices but it seems like using explosives for mass killing would be extremely messy, hard to hide and almost impossible to clean up. Using homicidal gas chambers, too, is a very expensive, time consuming and far more complicated method of execution than the simple, quick & easy manner in which others like Ginrikh Yagota(4), Mao, Stalin, etc carried out their far more extensive executions by a bullet to the head. It is not technically or physically possible to gas millions of people without hundreds of homicidal gas chambers but not one homicidal gas chamber has been found except for what is alleged to have been a homicidal gas chamber for tourists at Auschwitz 1. As I mentioned before, that building could never have been used as a homicidal gas chamber due to its design & location across from the Auschwitz 1 hospital & next to the Gestapo office building. Yes, the holocaust happened. I do not deny that numerous Bolsheviks, Roma, Jews, Gays etc were persecuted, placed in work camps where many were treated cruelly and many were executed. I do, however, concur with orthodox holocaust historian, Arno Mayer, that more people died from disease or natural causes than were executed. During WW 2, the Germans needed a large, healthy and productive workforce and it makes no sense that they would devote the massive amount of manpower & extensive resources needed to round up people, transport them to camps where they were housed, fed, received dental & medical care etc just to execute them in complex "homicidal gas chambers" and then devote even more precious time, manpower, fuel & resources to pulverize the bones & teeth before transporting these tons of ashes, crushed bones & teeth to rivers, other obscure & untouchable locations. . However, it does make sense that bodies were cremated to prevent the spread of typhus, the primary killer at all the camps but Germany could not afford to waste anything or anybody while fighting a 3 front war against vastly superior numbers possessing unlimited resources. Meanwhile, there's even an unclaimed $100,000- reward for anyone who can produce a "mass grave" at Treblinka, Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary or Sobibor. (5) In order to keep this discussion manageable, let's please stick to the alleged homicidal gas chamber shown to tourists at Auschwitz 1. Do you believe that in spite of its location, design, lack of exhaust fans etc that it could ever have been used as a homicidal gas chamber capable of gassing 15,000 frantic & screaming people per day? (1) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.” - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190 (2) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts" http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED (3) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death" https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/ EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED (4) "Stalin's Jews" "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish" https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people."CONTINUED (5) "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX" http://www.nafcash.com/ EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE. $100,000.00 REWARD For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED
Rudolph Höss wrote in his autobiography how he received the order to kill the Jews. Himmler informed him that Hitler had decided to convert the Auschwitz concentration camp into a huge death camp. Höss was shocked at first, but in the end, he obeyed. https://www.amazon.com/Death-Dealer-Memoirs-Kommandant-Auschwitz/dp/0306806983 Explosives were tried not only in Auschwitz. https://www.nytimes.com/1986/09/21/magazine/german-doctors-and-the-final-solution.html For this reason, the victims were selected who were able to work and needed on arrival. Old, sick and children were immediately selected for gasification. Who was strong and healthy and was needed could be "lucky" and was used for forced labor.
Two old Nazis talk about the end of the "Third Reich". Albert Speer and Karl Doenitz were important men in Hitler's war machine. (Video in German with English subtitles) Speer speaks surprisingly open and self-critical about that matter. Starting with Hitler's speech at position 7:16, Speer says that Hitler believed in a Jewish world conspiracy. Hitler blamed the Jews for the bombing raids on German cities and wanted to take revenge on them.
Thanks for responding but before discussing the tortured confessions of Rudolph Hoess, the autobiography he was ordered to write by his torturers, explosives as a means of mass execution etc, I was hoping that you would answer my earlier question: "In order to keep this discussion manageable, let's please stick to the alleged homicidal gas chamber shown to tourists at Auschwitz 1. Do you believe that in spite of its location, design, lack of exhaust fans etc that it could ever have been used as a homicidal gas chamber capable of gassing 15,000 frantic & screaming people per day?"
Shortly after they captured him, Hoess was beaten by British Field Security officers. That was definitely wrong. Then they handed him over to Poland, where he committed his crimes. He should be executed and he knew that. He asked for pen and paper to write down his story. They allowed him to do that. Thus, his execution was postponed for several months. No, that gas chamber was a makeshift. It had e.g. no exhaust fans. In about one year there were murdered a total of about "only" 10,000 people there. The other 1 million were killed at Auschwitz-Birkenau, the real death camp. Please look here: http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_auschwitz.html (Crematory I at the Stammlager)
Rudolph Hoess was more than just "beaten". In addition to threatening his family and being beaten almost to the point of death upon his arrest by Bernard Clarke and other Jewish torturers, he was tortured, relentlessly for 3 days and nights until he confessed to crimes far in excess of anything close to reality. He confessed to the executions of 3 million Jews and claimed that 2.5 million Jews had been gassed. No one, today, believes any of those figures are accurate so why believe anything from such a brutally obtained confession? In a rare moment of candor, Hoess finally said: "Certainly, I signed a statement that I killed two and a half million Jews. But I could just as well have said that it was five million Jews. There are certain methods by which any confession can be obtained, whether it is true or not."(1) The alleged "autobiography" that Hoess was ordered to write by his watchful Polish jailers was so heavily edited by German historian Martin Broszat that it bears little if any credibility. Another reason that the "confession" beaten out of Hoess lacks any credibility is that American prison psychologist, G.M. Gilbert assessed him as being mentally ill at the time(1) Please note: EXCERPT "But the case of Rudolf Höss is by far the most serious in its consequences. There is no document that proves that the Germans had a policy of exterminating the Jews. Léon Poliakov agreed with this in 1951: As regards the conception properly called of the plan for a total extermination, the three or four principal actors committed suicide in May of 1945. No document has survived or perhaps has ever existed. [Bréviaire de la haine: Le IIIe Reich et les Juifs, Calmann-Levy, 1951, Livre de Poche, 1974, p. 171 ] In the absence of any document, historians à la Poliakov have repeatedly returned, primarily, to doubtful confessions like those of Kurt Gerstein or Rudolf Höss, sometimes modifying the texts to suit their convenience." CONTINUED(1) RE: That the well organized Germans ever used the faux "gas chamber" at Auschwitz 1 as even a prototype / "makeshift" homicidal gas chamber defies common sense no matter what Pressac says because the toxic fumes would have sickened or killed any of the people going and coming to the hospital across the street or the Gestapo office next door. There were already real gas chambers in use elsewhere in the world and the Germans already used Zyklon B for delousing old clothes, mattresses, blankets etc so they already had the technical knowledge and didn't need a prototype / "makeshift" homicidal gas chamber. Furthermore, that room could hold only about 250 people and they would need to wait at least a day after each gassing since there were no ventilation fans which means that there would have to have been 400 failed gassings to kill "only" 10,000 people. Do you really think that the German would have caused people coming and going to the hospital and Gestapo office to get sick or die from toxic fumes 400 times, 200 times, or even 10 times before realizing that their "makeshift" gas chamber was a terrible idea? Don't you think that the technically advanced Germans would have learned that the morgue / "gas chamber" was inadequate after just one failed gassing? Why and how would they have gassed 10,000 people in a year if the morgue / "gas chamber" failed to work on an "industrial scale" after the first time? If tourists and the rest of us are belong lied to about this faux gas chamber, what other lies are in the standard holocaust narrative which very few people around the world believe anyway(2)? Thanks, (1) "How the British Obtained the Confessions of Rudolf Höss" https://codoh.com/library/document/1968/ (2) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS” https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/ EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust. This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources. Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts. Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth. Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust." - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated. - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
Dear Grau, I really value your well documented contributions, especially as an American citizen you go beyond the normal call of duty and fight for the truthfulness of the German history and the people's honor. Thank you! Rudolf Hoess seems to be the victors' prize witness and gives the Holocaust story its substance and glue. He is therefore of special interest for historians from both sides. As you know, Hoess was a family man. It is now his grandchildren who are dealing with the family's past. Here is a short video from his grandson, Rainer, who now travels around to fight hate crimes. Here he speaks at a Toronto High School: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...CA7C4427D11494A89258CA7C4427D11494A&FORM=VIRE next video, Rainer talks a little more about himself and how he came to meet hc survivors and is now traveling worldwide to raise awareness about crimes against humanity. He appears so genuine and convincing, I dare believe him. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...7C4427D11494A89258CA7C4427D11494A&FORM=VDRVRV What do you think, Gray? He seems convinced his grandfather was this cruel man and ordered millions of people gassed. That perplexes me. Why doesn't he rather fight for the recognition that his grandfather did not kill any Jews and others? Like Ursula Haverbeck does? She rather goes to jail for insisting that Auschwitz was not an extermination camp, but a work camp. Ursula Haverbeck Celebrates Her 91st Birthday in Jail https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/1...ho-just-celebrated-her-91st-birthday-in-jail/
