About the Holocaust

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  1. Quasar44

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    Most American Jews ( 95 percent ) cannot fight back

    I am different
    I have studied Krav Maga and Muay Thai

    I currently do some mma classes and blj
     
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    I see that world leaders are gathering in Jerusalem today in memory of the Holocaust and the liberation of Auschwitz by the USSR 75 years ago. Here, the United States is paying respects and honouring its' life-long commitment.

    trump natanyahu.jpg
     
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    This is not so important in fact. Because we are talking about post war period communist documents should be checked in Poland and Moscow, because likely they inspired or organized some incidents against Jews, specially more rich ones. Like it was most likely in Kielce.

    Well it was always pretty much like this. But if they want to rermain like this, they should keep islamization out. Trump is doing a good job in this regard.
     
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    some diversity is great ...too much is bad ..and you get the balkins and a nation can crumble and die
     
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    Just among whites in USA

    45 million Germans
    33 million Irish
    16 million Italians
    6 million Jews
     
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    18 million Asians
    37 million blacks
    37 million legal Mexicans
     
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    Illegals in the USA is between 25-45 million
    Who knows
     
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    Why you're afraid of Islam? Do you think they're all ISIS?
     
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    Firstly, there were "only" 4.5 million Jews under direct Nazi control (1) while there were about 11 million Jews in all of Europe.

    While I know that Germany obtained control over more Jews subsequent to the height of the Reich, it lost control over other Jews as Germany began losing the war and in no way could have murdered 6 million Jews and other groups.

    As I've repeatedly said, they didn't have the manpower, time and resources to round up, transport, feed, medically care for & house 6 million people only to execute them by the most expensive, complex and time consuming manner.
    The Germans were not so stupid to do something in such an impractical manner. It's just as ridiculous as believing that the Germans would have located a homicidal gas chamber (i.e. Auschwitz #1) directly next to the Gestapo office and across from the camp hospital.

    Since there is absolutely no basis for the canard that about 6 million were murdered, nowhere near that number of mass graves have been discovered.

    For example:

    "THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX"
    http://www.nafcash.com/

    EXCERPT "It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically proven to currently exist at these sites, in which verified human remains have been tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology; contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

    Those who believe they can refute any statement of fact articulated on this web page are invited to accept

    THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE

    $100,000.00 REWARD

    For proving - just 1 / 1,000 of 1% - of the criminally fraudulent buried remains allegations" CONTINUED


    Secondly, there were far more Jews over and above those 150,000 who served in Hitler's armies who were knowingly spared. If even .014% of Germany's Jews were knowingly spared and publicly honored then the Nazis did not persecute Jews because they were Jewish and the standard holocaust narrative is false.



    (1) "CHAPTER 2: THE NUMBER OF JEWS UNDER NAZI CONTROL"
    http://thesixmillionfactorfiction.blogspot.com/2018/01/chapter-2-number-of-jews-under-nazi.html

    Section 9: There Were 4.5 Million Jews under Direct Nazi Control

    EXCERPT "If there was one group which would have been interested in establishing exactly how many Jews were under German control, it would have been the Nazis themselves.

    In this regard, the official German records offer an astonishing insight. The Nazis estimated that the maximum number of Jews under their control at the Reich’s height was no more than 4.5 million—and they would have had no particular reason to lie or exaggerate." CONTINUED
     
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    It is not a topic for here, but political actions of islamists are aimed to spread the rule of sharia law all over the world. It is not neccessary that they use the same methods and strategy as ISIS caliphate adherents, but in any case this is dangerous. It is true however that not all muslims have this goal, but all four classical schools of islamic jurisprudence have it. Others which do not follow it can be subjected to so called jihad of purification or they should be 'purified' of foreign influences by jihad.
     
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    I just want to say that Sharia is not only Islamic criminal law, as many in the West mistakenly believe. Sharia is the set of behaviors and rules that a Muslim must follow in order to enter paradise after he died.

    Sharia means something like: "The right way"
     
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    Jazz thinking that a politician who wanted to be even a dictator wrote a book about himself and his ideas in an honest way is of course very naive. In fact Hitler was in bed with communists many times. The biggest such affair was of course during his pact with Stalin when they divided Europe together. I wrote in detail about it in the topic of history on this forum. However this started much earlier. In 1919 Hitler served as a delegate under Soviet regime in Bavaria. To rehabilitate himself he started to work with German military ( and its secret service ) which crushed Bavarian Soviet government. It was in the interest of German military that somebody else should be guilty for their defeat in 1918. So they welcomed and supported propaganda that Jews were guilty. Yet in fact they were guilty themselves by the most part. Because they thought in 1914 that war would be very short. It was wrong strategy of the generals in first place. And also German military supported Lenin when he went in Russia. They had a common goal to bring Russia out of war and to destroy any kind of pro-western or pro-entente government in Russia. Trotsky however is different story he probably was an agent of entente sent to Russia with mission to keep Russia in war. You have documents today from opened British secret service archives which demonstrate that at that time it was their strategy to support anyone in Russia who would keep the country in war with central powers and that they wanted also to create a situation where war would broke out between Lenin's bolsheviks and Germans causing the defeat of both sides, with this also breaking secret alliance between Lenin and imperial Germany. They were using for this goal also Trotstky and Jurjev from Murmansk area etc. Anyway Trotsky is clearly mentioned in British secret service documents as the one who could help their cause, it is not clear however if consciously or unconsciously.

    Later general of German army Kurt von Schleicher played an important part in intrigues which brought Hitler to power in 1933. Schleicher was on the other hand close collaborator with USSR where Germany was developing its war industry in secret. His idea was that Poland should be divided between Germany and USSR. Schleicher wanted a coalition between Nazis and communists in Germany against western influence. But Stalin and Comintern had at that time another crazy idea. They thought National socialism is just last phase of capitalism which is dying. So communist revolution is very very close in Germany. Schleicher was killed in 1934 during the Hitler's night of long knives. Nazi leader G. Strasser who shared his strategy was killed with him too.

    It is today well established that Hitler exploited but did not order Reichstag fire. But it is not well known at all that communists indeed were thinking of their bloody revolution at that time. Their propaganda was very violent calling openly for taking up arms and for disarming SS and SA. Communists were thinking that Nazism is the last stage of capitalism, it will fall very soon, they should help with this also of course and after this communist revolution will happen.

    Just before Reichstag fire communist newspaper Red sailor was calling: Workers to the baricades! Forward to victory! Fresh bullets in your guns! Draw the pins of the hand granades!

    Marinus van der Lubbe who was a bit demented himself felt to such red propaganda of his superior thugs. Communists saw Reichstag as a simbol of bourgeois democracy.

    So for conclusion German communists which were in fact just part of international communism led from Moscow helped Hitler to gain dictatorial powers in 1933 as Stalin helped Hitler to start WW2 in 1939 with their joint attack against Poland.


    Some sources:

    https://books.google.si/books?id=EP...q=hitler bavaria revolution communist&f=false

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_von_Schleicher

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Strasser

    Hitler beyond Evil and Tyranny, page 282

    Potemkin, history of diplomacy, 1947, Ljubljana, pages 385/386
     
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    Yes, but nobody serious would be worried about religious instructions for believers only how somebody should pray or what he should eat, or how he should fast. However religious goal how all people should be under theocratical rule is of course a different thing.
     
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    Thanks, Professor. You are obviously well versed in the history of WWII. Germany was a bad country and Hitler was worse. I know that. We fully deserved the treatment that especially the Americans let us have. All our cities were in ruins.
    President Roosevelt wanted war: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v04/v04p135_Weber.html
    Churchill wanted war: https://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/the-war-criminal-churchill/
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    Dresden
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    But Hitler was a good man and was much liked and loved by his common folk. He had no intention to start a war. He himself said so. He made numerous attempts to make peace with Briton. To no avail.
    His treaty with Russia was a try to get along peacefully, but then it was discovered that Stalin was amassing troops and equipment along the border... a clear indication that he was going to attack Germany any time. That's when Hitler had to scramble and organize the preventive Blitzkrieg.
    Hitler never had intention of taking over the world. That is the fantasy of our enemies, so they had justification to squash us. Hitler's aim was to reunite the separated pieces of German land with the Reich. He was very generous and did not even force the Poles to return our land they were given after the First WW. All he asked for was a narrow rail and road corridor to our city Danzig and the Province of East Prussia.
    And then there is the famous Holocaust that condemns all Germans into eternity and beyond: http://www.jewworldorder.org/the-holocaust-scam/ Horrendous conditions. Brutality without end.

    Does anyone care about the German girls and women? I think they suffered the real Holocaust...
    https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2017/08/22/the-rape-of-german-girls-women-a-brutal-plan-for-genocide/
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    O.k., dear Professor, I hope you enjoy your American superiority.
     
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    Today’s Germany has titled to far in the Bolshevik direction and is being taken over by outsiders
     
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    US and Germany / France have never had good relations only neural
     
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    Germany and japan had to be destroyed

    But the USSR was not much better
     
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    Quasar44 many Germans are inclined toward socialism be it national or international. I am sorry that cold war did not make them smarter.

    Mrs. Jazz did not get it apparently that WW2 started in alliance between Hitler and Stalin. They made plan for war against Poland before Hitler's "generous" offer to UK and only because Chamberlain made alliance with Poland. Of course Hitler could not be trusted after he did not keep his word concerning Czechia after Munich agreements.
     
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    Would Israel exist ...if there was no holocaust
     
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    Chamberlain I can understand trying to appease the Germans because he saw 15 million die in WW1
     
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    Europe’s days of wars are long gone ...they have mediocre militaries and are Passive

    Trumps next battle is against the EU who are killing us in trade deals !!

    Trump had huge victories with Asia and Can and Mexico and some success with China
     
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    Quasar44 surelly Israel would exist without holocaust since according to national socialist "historians" Hitler and SS were sending Jews to Russia via "transition camps" like Treblinka, Sobibor etc. And there where could they go? They exchanged them with Stalin for German prisoners of war and because we all know how much was Stalin in favour of Jews he was sending them to present day Israel. Irresponsible elements hindered this process with holocaust. So it is because of them that we can find today remains of gas chambers and intimate belongings in the ground before them on such areas. But that just hindered the creation of Israel of course.
     
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    You have to be very naive if you believe a ruthless killer and liar like Hitler. :(

    Hitler wanted to conquer Eastern Europe. He announced this in "Mein Kampf". The dispute over Danzig (now Gdansk) was just a pretext for Hitler's war of predation and annihilation.

    https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/works/imt/imtnew/04/htm/t567.htm
     
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    The Americans were still gracious and helped Germany back on its feet. In contrast, the Russkies have made Germany's east into a communist prison camp. 40 years of socialist terror for the East Germans while West Germany got freedom and democracy right after WW2.
     

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