About the Holocaust

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    He was given a patroonship in the rothschild empire
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Face it pal you simply post some seriously defective bassakwards ideas of what insults, baiting are. Clealry its a personal problem not the board, not any of us.

    Im a black muslim, but dont let that sway you from posting such foolish trash as I have seen so far, keep up the good work, it quite entertaining.


    So give us a great example, post something for us that 'promotes discussion'!
     
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    Death Well-Known Member

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    Lol. Black Muslim. Lol. Yer handle is an inside joke to insult blacks. Yer content is lame assed neo Nazi script. You haven't contributed any position that promotes discussion-you come here to race bait with your cut and pastes and lame racial slurs.

    Does it look like you are going to tell me what to respond to Bubba? Lol. Back on ignore for you.

    Now and then someone has to call this out.

    Its a damn shame you can pollute this thread or any thread with Nazi buzz bombing but most of your intended audience these days is more concerned with how to figure out which end the bullet comes out of.
     
  4. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hello Jazz,

    I'm not aware of the details behind a quid pro quo arrangement between those who wield political control in Germany & the US to prohibit open discussion and honest examination of the holocaust but don't doubt that one exists.
    After all, it was the WW2 Soviets, American and British propagandists who fabricated grisly myths about Germans cutting off the hands of infants and other outright lies about homicidal electrocution, steam and, finally, gas chambers.

    While the immensely influential, global Holocaust Industry has succeeded in pressuring governments around the world to fund gruesome holocaust theme parks, promote slanderous lies and stifle open debate related to those same outright lies, I think that the generalization that the "Jews control the world" is as inaccurate as generalizations about other groups of people.

    In addition to outright lies generated by the wealthy and corrupt Holocaust Industry(1), (2) rumors of homicidal gas chambers have their basis partly in Allied propaganda leaflets(3) that were dropped around Auschwitz and also broadcast to Europe by Allied propagandists however, not one of these homicidal steam, electrocution or gas chambers exists or existed even though it would have taken hundreds of homicidal gas chambers to kill "millions of people".

    It is tragic that post War German governments under foreign occupation didn't or couldn't fight to contradict additional lies about "6 million Jews murdered", a genocidal agenda that slander all Germans but it was enough just to stay alive in post War Germany where innocent Germans were being systematically exterminated both in the East(4) by monsters like Salomon Morel and in the West by genocidal war criminals like Eisenhower(5).
    Ironically, it was immediately after WW2 that the true "death camps" came to exist & most egregious atrocities were committed.




    (1)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED


    (2) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED



    (3)“Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.


    (4) "Expulsion of Ethnic Germans after World War II (1945)"
    https://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-horrific-genocides-in-history.php

    EXCERPT "However, the forced displacement of some 14 million ethnic Germans and allied Slavs from Soviet Russia, from occupied areas of Eastern and Central Europe in the aftermath of World War II, has to go down as something pretty close to genocide, especially when one considers that between half a million and two million of them didn’t survive the journey.

    While most of these deaths were from famine and disease, many German civilians were also executed outright, or sent to internment and labor camps by the Soviets."CONTINUED


    (4) “Buried Alive Screaming In The Night: German POW Survivors Describe Eisenhower’s Extermination Camps After WWII Had Ended”
    https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018...ers-extermination-camps-after-wwii-had-ended/


    EXCERPT “The Western Allies deliberately murdered approximately 1 million disarmed German POWs by means of starvation, exposure, and illness. This Allied atrocity was first publicly exposed in 1989 in the book Other Losses by James Bacque. Bacque estimates in Other Losses that the victims undoubtedly number over 790,000, almost certainly over 900,000, and quite likely over a million. The prisoners’ deaths were knowingly caused by army officers who had sufficient resources to keep these prisoners alive. Relief organizations such as the Red Cross that attempted to help prisoners in the American camps were refused permission by the army. “CONTINUED
     
  5. Kokomojojo

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    Hmm clearly your intention was to distract the thread with strawmen and discuss me.
    Why do you insult my race and religion?
    explain
    no its not, citation please?
    Sure I have, I have contributed FACTS so anyone without FACTS is unlikely to be CAPABLE of a discussion on my level.
    No they are not. Citations?

    So your taking the high road by targeting and ridiculing my race and religion, that will score big to prove the nonsense you post
    Thanks!
    and to prove your point you post racial and religious ridicule, thanks for calling yourself out,

    Im sure you will have an army of followers to stomp out the facts by the end of the month!
    Whats damn shame is when someone comes in and targets other members because the counter argument cup is bankrupt, and they know they have no facts therefore incapable of discussing SUBJECT MATTER 'facts'.
    yes your posts prove it.
     
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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Kokomojojo said to Death:
    So give us a great example, post something for us that 'promotes discussion'!

    Hmm clearly your intention was to distract the thread with strawmen and discuss me.
    Death said:
    Lol. Black Muslim. Lol.
    Kokomojojo said:
    Why do you insult my race and religion?
    Death said:
    Yer handle is an inside joke to insult blacks.
    Kokomojojo said:
    explain
    Death said:
    Yer content is lame assed neo Nazi script.
    Kokomojojo said:
    no its not, citation please?
    Death said:
    You haven't contributed any position that promotes discussion
    Kokomojojo said:
    Sure I have, I have contributed FACTS so anyone without FACTS is unlikely to be CAPABLE of a discussion on my level.
    Death said:
    your cut and pastes and lame racial slurs.
    Kokomojojo said:
    No they are not. Citations?
    So your taking the high road by targeting and ridiculing my race and religion, that will score big to prove the nonsense you post
    Death said:
    Back on ignore for you.
    Kokomojojo said:
    Thanks!
    Death said:
    Now and then someone has to call this out.
    Kokomojojo said:
    and to prove your point you post racial and religious ridicule, thanks for calling yourself out,
    Im sure you will have an army of followers to stomp out the facts by the end of the month!
    Death said:
    Its a damn shame you can pollute this thread or any thread
    Kokomojojo said:
    Whats damn shame is when someone comes in and targets other members because the counter argument cup is bankrupt, and they know they have no facts therefore incapable of discussing SUBJECT MATTER 'facts'.
    Death said:
    your intended audience these days is more concerned with how to figure out which end the bullet comes out of.
    Kokomojojo said:
    yes your posts prove it.

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    Jazz having fun!! :bounce:
     
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  7. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately some people require things to be crayola'd before they fully grasp the nuances in this complex world, though its really a pain in the ass to crayloa everything I feel I did my good deed for the day. :winner:
     
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    Nope, it's the opposite. My assertions are based on history and the fact that Europeans have always colonized foreign countries and enslaved the natives. I reject white supremacy. Zionists treat the Palestinians like the KKK treat blacks. Zionists are, in fact, white supremacists.
     
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    Sure, - but only in Palestine. Not everywhere in the Middle East.
     
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    In addition to the hard evidence which makes the holocaust story impossible, another reason to reject the standard holocaust narrative is the rapidity with which militant Jewish settlers & Zionists turned from the persecuted to the persecutors.

    In other words, if Palestine's militant Jews and Zionist terrorist gangs had really suffered so widely and miserably, they would not have been so quick to inflict so much savage misery on Palestine's innocent native residents.

    It seems that one day Israelis are obsessing over the holocaust and the next day they're engaged in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine's native residents.

    It is not commonly known that the German Zionist Federation fully supported the National Socialist Nuremberg Race Laws because they wanted to preserve Jewish racial purity. Additionally, Germany's Zionists and National Socialists worked closely together to settle Germany's Jews in Palestine to the extent that the National Socialists trained, supplied and armed Zionists for their new life in Palestine.
    So then, the "Final Solution" was about resettling Jews in Palestine or Eastern Europe, not exterminating them:

    EXERPT "In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

    Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs.
    " CONTINUED (1)



    (1) "Zionism and the Third Reich"
    https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html
     
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    The Holocaust and the Zionist crimes against the Palestinians are historical facts. You can't undo one for the other.

    If you take both into account, you will come to the only valid conclusion that persecution doesn't prevent anyone from becoming a persecutor himself.

    It is possible that the Zionists learned from the Nazis what power can be obtained against an entire people through extreme human contempt.
     
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    sure if you want to close your eyes to the facts concerning the J-W run gulags that existed long before hitler.
     
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    RE: About the Holocaust
    SUB-TOPIC: Peace
    ⁜→ Pisa, pitbull, et al,

    Throughout history, at aperiodic intervals (a span dating back ≈ 2700 years) there have been a series of hostile actions, mass expulsions, and various evictions taken against the Hebrews/Jews for all sorts of reasons → including power, wealth, and territorial control. There is no reason to believe, given the continued climate of religious discrimination and persecution (largely within the Abrahamic Religious Set) that as some future point, this will not happen again. I believe that the Allied Powers, at the conference at San Remo (1920), also had believed something along these lines when they thought it was necessary to provide for a Jewish National Home. This would be a permanent place of sanctuary, safe haven, and retreat in time of religious persecution.

    (COMMENT)

    Today, Israel is the Jewish National Home (a permanent place of sanctuary, safe haven, and retreat in time of religious persecution) that was called-for then and seen to be very necessary → in the shadow of the Holocaust, with the proof today (in the conflict since the 1948 War of Independence) that humanity, especially in the Middle East and North African (MENA) Region, that such conflict (maybe disguised as territorial disputes) still demonstrate that there is a strong tendency to persecute the Hebrew/Jews established in Israel. Remembering that Israel is the highest rated MENA nation on the Human Development Index (HDI). That no nation in the Region (including the Oil Rich Cartel countries) have proven themselves to be more fruitful than the Jewish State of Israel. Yet, it is the country that has been criticized the most by the members of the UN. It has often been suggested that Israel is an "apartheid state" - as if it is the only country in the world that is not allowed to defend its borders (demarcation boundaries by treaty).

    The actions of the UN itself have given proof that a sovereign Jewish State (Israel) is still more important than ever before.

    (ANSWER)

    Since 1919 (the last 100 years) there have been over 30 some conflicts in the MENA Region; not including any with Israel or conflicts in the territories formerly under the Mandate for Palestine. Will there be "peace" in the Middle East if Israel is allowed to be dismantled under the Pressure of the Hostile Arab Palestinians? I see no evidence to make me believe that to be the case.

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    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    Are you talking about the gulags run by truly genocidal monsters like Ginrikh Yagoda and Leonid Reichman?

    "Stalin's Jews"
    "We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"


    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.

    In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges.

    Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."CONTINUED


    In addition to the declaration of war on Germany by Judea(1), Germany's National Socialists considered Germany's Communist Jews a threat because they saw what Communism had done to Russia with many Jewish individuals comprising Communist leadership positions.
    For example, at one point, Russia's Jews comprised 52% of Russia's Communist Party's membership.(2)

    It is especially noteworthy that all the major participants in WW2 had some form of internment / work camps but it was only Eisenhower's true death camps and Stalin's gulags that were off limits to the Red Cross.

    (1) "Jews Declare War on Germany 1933"
    https://archive.org/stream/JewsDeclareWarOnGermany1933/JewsDeclareWarOnGermany1933_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT "Judea Declares War on Germany!" - Daily Express headline, March 24, 1933.

    "Judea Declares War on Germany! Jews of all the World Unite! Boycott of German Goods!

    Mass Demonstrations!" - These were all headlines in the Daily Express on March 24, 1933.

    "The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany.

    Fourteen million Jews stand together as one man, to declare war against Germany. The Jewish

    wholesaler will forsake his firm, the banker his stock exchange, the merchant his commerce and

    the pauper his pitiful shed in order to join together in a holy war against Hitler's people." - Daily

    Express, March 24, 1933."CONTINUED




    (2) Full text of "The Wolf Of The Kremlin biography of Kaganovich"
    https://archive.org/stream/TheWolfOfTheKremlin/The+Wolf+of+the+Kremlin_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT “That Trotsky, unquestionably the most outstanding man among the

    Bolsheviks, was a Jew did not seem an insuperable obstacle in a party”

    in which the percentage of Jews, 52 percent, was rather high compared

    to the percentage of Jews (1.8 percent) in the total population.” CONTINUED
     
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    Yes, I agree that both the holocaust and the Nakba are historical facts that cannot be undone. We just disagree as to what happened and didn't happen during the holocaust.

    As we see in the Nakba, it is a tragic reality that the persecuted can quickly become persecutors themselves.

    The close National Socialist - Zionist collaboration brings up the myth that Germany's National Socialists had a genocidal agenda toward killing all of Europe's Jews for which there is no evidence.

    If Germany's National Socialists truly wanted to exterminate all of Europe's Jews, why did they devote so much time, material and effort to settle Jews in Palestine as I outlined in my recent Post #1814?

    EXCERPT "In an interview after the war, the former head of the Zionist Federation of Germany, Dr. Hans Friedenthal, summed up the situation: "The Gestapo did everything in those days to promote emigration, particularly to Palestine. We often received their help when we required anything from other authorities regarding preparations for emigration." CONTINUED
    ( F. Nicosia, The Third Reich and the Palestine Question (1985), p. 57.)(1)

    The grossly distorted "Final Solution" as discussed in the Wannsee meeting and elsewhere was about relocating Jews who wanted no part of National Socialist Germany, not killing them.

    If Germany's National Socialists had a genocidal agenda toward all Jews, then Jews would not have been among the high ranking N.S. party members(2) or high ranking and highly honored members of Germany's military(3).



    (1) "Zionism and the Third Reich"
    https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html


    (2) "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent."CONTINUED


    (3) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED
     
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    No I conclude you use this thread to try make unilateral statements of hatred that you demand others repeat.

    You also illustrate a classic example of why we have an ignore list.
     
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    Rocco I appreciate your response but I prefer at this point the ignore list. There is a small clique of them and "they" reycle the exact same script.
     
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    Rocco I appreciate your response but I prefer at this point to use ignore list. There is a small clique of them and "they" recycle the exact same script.
     
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    How odd.

    What sort of individual freely joins a debate forum only to "ignore" individuals whose opposing assertions he cannot refute?

    You don't want a debate forum, you want an echo chamber.

    If you were really ignoring other individuals, you wouldn't post anything here at all.
     
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    Glad I signed out long enough to catch this, because you have claimed for years that you aren't a theist, but now you say you are Muslim. Glad to see this exposed.
     
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    Priceless, wonder if those darn Jews under the bed knew that all along!
     
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    Well said......
    Jewish writers do a good job of helping the world to be reasonably well informed about the Holocaust that their parents and grandparents were the victims of. The grandchildren of the Armenians are not so good at informing the under-informed about what happened to their parents, grandparents and relatives in Turkey during WWI.

    I found some encouragement in what a near death experiencer was shown was also happening during the Holocaust.


    https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/howard-storm.html

     
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    that was a temporary thing I came back, nice to see you took the time to launder your dirty socks
     
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    well I have great teachers
    Thanks I know, holohoaxers are modern day propaganda ministers
    No supporting evidence, nice bye bye reddit
    I suppose if you can close your eyes to the facts.
     
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