Look who's talking. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-94#post-1072776254
No I was referring to my pervious post about how you thought I was responding to you but I was actually responding to Grau. Most people would be able to figure that out. I was responding to someone else and you interrupted to take the side of Holocaust deniers quite possibly without realizing it. Between you and me I wasn't the one being annoying. But what is really sad is how you did the ignore. You could have just ignored and walked away, but you decided to shout and stomp on your way out and slam the door. That's just drama. Sometimes I make mistakes, but in this case I'm pretty sure there is some projecting going on.
Sometimes you say things that are so lame that you'd get laughed out of the debating hall. http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-94#post-1072776254
Both of these are second-hand info. http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=35 https://owlcation.com/humanities/Auschwitz-Commandant-Hss-The-Hidden-Truth-Disclosed I don't consider the revisionist version of the Rudolf Hoss issue to be proof in and of itself. The physical evidence is the only thing that can be considered proof and the revisionist version of what happened with Hoss fits the physical evidence so I would bet it's true.
I feel that we disagree on the actual importance of race / ethnic background to Germany's National Socialists of the 1920s - 1945 era due to the fact that actions speak louder words. Germany's National Socialists simply didn't have the time, manpower or resources to rebuild Germany, fight a war on three fronts and devote precious, time, manpower and extensive resources rounding up Jews, transporting them, housing them, feeding them, providing medical care and even maternal care just to kill them in the most expensive and complex manner possible and then make the bodies disappear. Hitler's verbal and written condemnation of the Jews was directed more at the groups of Jews who comprised the Bolsheviks / Communists, not at Jews as individuals many of whom he liked. Re: My research shows otherwise. If race / ethnic background was so important to Germany's National Socialists, why were there Jewish members of the National Socialist Party, why were there high ranking Jews in Hitler's military, why were there so many Jews whose ethnicity/religion/race was so unimportant that they were made "non Jews" at the whim of National Socialist high command? What was most practical and apparently most important to Germany's National Socialists was a persons political association and loyalty to Germany. I've already shown through various sources the ACTIONS of Hitler and his associates that dispel the alleged hyper-racism of many National Socialist leaders and will add one more. If Hitler hated the Jews to the degree you've been led to believe, why, then, did Hitler confer honors on Germany's WW 1 Jewish Veterans who were not even in Europe at the time? “When Hitler Honored Jewish Soldiers” https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-when-hitler-honored-jewish-soldiers-1.5254336 EXCERPT “The Nazi regime conferred honors on many of the 100,000 Jews who fought in the German army in the Great War, even on some who had already escaped to Palestine.” CONTINUED
While I do not consider myself an expert, I've studied this tragic era for decades before I used to live, work and study in Germany in the early - mid 1970s. There, I both did additional independent research in German on the holocaust as well as German history, language and literature. One of my several different co-workers was a stone mason who had been a young Waffen SS officer on the Eastern Front. As a far more fortunate fellow combat Veteran, we developed a close rapport that is difficult to understand for people who were never in the military. Additionally, I knew, lived with and worked with other Veterans of both sides as well as honest holocaust survivors who were unlike the army of professional hoaxers spinning Holo-Horror stories to naive schoolchildren and gullible rubes today(1). I lived first in Munich and later in Freiburg i. Br. in the Black Forest. My friends and I rode bicycles throughout what was then W. Germany as well as the eastern part of France. I later took up bicycle racing in the US but have very fond memories of bicycling through Alsace-Lorraine, Switzerland etc and eating with the locals at out of the way places. I hope your trip is both safe and enjoyable. If I were you, I would be drinking French wine with my friends, making notes of the day's journey and taking photos...not discussing something as macabre as the holocaust but I feel that it would be unfair if I did not respond to your comment. I find it frustrating to try to discuss the holocaust with people who have been professionally duped by the Hollywood - Holocaust Industry consortium because of their unwillingness to examine the era objectively, use common sense and think for themselves. For example, the Soviets captured the Auschwitz Death Ledger as well as other Ledgers that show that there was only enough coal/coke delivered to Auschwitz to cremate about 70,000 people. Coincidentally, the captured Auschwitz Death ledger list that only 68,864 people died as of December, 1942 of all causes(2). Those who were executed were listed as either hanged or shot. No mention is made of "gassing" as a form of execution. Holocaustians who have been professionally deceived by the Holocaust Industry claim that about 450,000 Hungarian Jews were shipped to Auschwitz in 1944 where they were immediately gassed and cremated with no record except that they were transported to Auschwitz. As you know, Auschwitz was liberated in January of 1945 when it was in the worst condition possible. Simple math and a cursory knowledge of cremation shows that it is physically impossible for Germany's National Socialists to gas / execute, cremate and hide the physical remains of 1.1 million people over Auschwitz's period of operation. Firstly, the crude and rushed cremations that were done at Auschwitz leaves skeletal remains(3) and teeth that would be in the area if they existed at all. Secondly, in spite of the fact that there was only enough coke/coal to cremate about 70,000 people and the fact that the human body is about 75% water, I have heard some of the most irrational and physically impossible claims as to how 1.1 million bodies could be reduced to ash with no or little coal at all: - 2 or 3 bodies burned at once when only one would fit. - human bodies burn on their own due to "fat" - Women's bodies work as fuel - "The ashes" of 1.1 million people were dumped in nearby rivers. Another reason none of the above is possible is because Auschwitz-Birkenau-Monowitz was under constant Allied surveillance from the ground and the air(4) because it was a major manufacturing center. The Allies would certainly have known if truckloads of human remains were hauled to nearby rivers or if the crematoria were working 24/7 or if there were long lines to the alleged "gas chambers". I have written and supported numerous other ways in which the standard holocaust narrative cannot be true in previous posts but simply wanted to respond to your comment. I do not expect you to respond until your bicycle tour is over and you have access to your computer so, in the meantime, enjoy your tour & good luck. (1) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war. No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out. Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED (2) “Deaths at Auschwitz, 1942” http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/deaths_at_auschwitz_1942_v3.pdf EXCERPT “More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz. That is the plain testimony of these Death Books. We Reject.... It has been averred that ‘Up to 175,000’ Jews were deported to Auschwitz by the end of 1942 . That is impossibly high, because less than forty percent of all inmates were Jewish: a figure of fifty or sixty thousand would be more reasonable. Likewise Mr Jan van Pelt averred that ‘In 1942, two hundred thousand Jews were gassed in buildings 1 and 2.’8 There cannot have been anything like such numbers arriving: and the Death Books have around onethirtieth that number of Jews die in that year! These texts tend to claim that huge numbers of Jews arrived without being registered (and were gassed right away), however we would rather stick to documented data. Grand Total: 68,864 deaths” CONTINUED (3) "9 Things About Cremation" https://www.elementalnw.com/2014/05/26/9-things-cremation/ EXCERPT "2. You don’t get ash back. What’s really returned to you is the person’s skeleton. Once you burn off all the water, soft tissue, organs, skin, hair, cremation container/casket, etc., what you’re left with is bone." CONTINUED (4) “Air Photo Evidence” http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html EXCERPT: The Bottom Line To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed." CONTINUED
You're reading the wrong writers. Read Hoess' memoirs itself instead of Mattognos Interpretation. Hoess was very authentic
Re: Nonsense. Hoess' "memoirs" were written in pencil under the watchful eye of his Polish guards who happened to be Jewish. Since he was repeatedly beaten nearly to death after threats to his family and he signed documents written in English which he didn't understand. At his "trial", his torturers had done their "work" so thoroughly that Hoess claimed that 3 million people had been murdered at Auschwitz with 2.5 million executed in homicidal gas chambers. Today's brainwashed holocaustians claim that an impossible 1.1 million people died at Auschwitz but since you claim that "Hoess was very authentic.", do you now believe that 3 million people were murdered at Auschwitz with 2.5 million murdered in homicidal gas chambers? Which is it: 1.1 million, or 3 million?
Hi, Grau; last night I did a lot of reading and I now want to bring to your attention, that Hoess revised his testimony while in Krakow, awaiting his hanging. For instance... In his essay on the Final Solution in Auschwitz, which he wrote in Kraków, he revised the previously given death toll: "I myself never knew the total number, and I have nothing to help me arrive at an estimate. I can only remember the figures involved in the larger actions, which were repeated to me by Eichmann or his deputies. From Upper Silesia and the General Gouvernement 250,000 Germany and Theresienstadt 100,000 Holland 95,000 Belgium 20,000 France 110,000 Greece 65,000 Hungary 400,000 Slovakia 90,000 [Total 1,130,000] I can no longer remember the figures for the smaller actions, but they were insignificant by comparison with the numbers given above. I regard a total of 2.5 million as far too high. Even Auschwitz had limits to its destructive capabilities." Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Höss#Upbringing
Hello Jazz, I've found Wikipedia to be an unreliable source when the topic has to do with the holocaust, WW 2, Middle East realities etc because it is disproportionately influenced by today's Zionist, Hasbara propagandists. (1), (2), (3) Therefore, it is little more than an anti German echo chamber for the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(4), (5) and its complicit MSM. Of course it is as ridiculously impossible for 2.5 million to have been killed at Auschwitz as it is the 1.1 million figure as currently cited by the Holocaust Industry. The Auschwitz Death ledger that was captured by the Communist "liberators" shows that 68,864 people died at Auschwitz of all causes as of December 1942. In the cases where people were executed, even the method of execution is listed. It is important to remember that those who were executed were either shot or hanged. No one was gassed in fictitious homicidal gas chambers or equally absurd human "vaporizers" as claimed by Nuremberg's Chief Prosecutor Robert Jackson (6). It is claimed by the Holocaust Industry that about 440,000 Hungarian Jews were transported to Auschwitz in 1944 where they were immediately gassed, cremated and then made to completely disappear from the face of the earth. Any thinking human being with even a cursory knowledge of Auschwitz's limited killing and cremation capacity would immediately recognize the absurdity of this claim. However, many of today's brainwashed holocaustians will believe absolutely anything claimed by the same Hollywood - Holocaust Industry that produced grisly propaganda films about human skin pocketbooks, human fat soap, shrunken heads and other outright hoaxes produced by Hollywood moguls Billy Wilder, George Stevens, John Ford and other Hollywood producers working as propagandists for America's O.W.I. (Office of War Information, aka propaganda agency(7). I think that it's important to recognize Hoess' compromised state of mind when he lists specific death counts at different locations since he was repeatedly tortured and beaten nearly to death. However I do believe that he, if anyone, would be aware of Auschwitz's limited killing capacity since the primary function of Auschwitz - Birkenau - Monowitz was industrial production and under constant Allied surveillance(. Briefly put, Auschwitz -B. - M. could not have been the horrific "Death Camp" with industrialized killing capacities as portrayed by the Hollywood Holocaust Industry consortium because it was under constant observation from people coming and going as well as constant Allied Air Reconnaissance(. Thanks, (1) “Zionist Control of WikiPedia” http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/at...ls-the-media/429-zionist-control-of-wikipedia EXCERPT “And as shown in our section on Google, this Internet search-engine is well in the hands of Zionist Jews and also cooperates openly with Zionist organizations such as ADL and the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) to control the searches and censoring information and certain sites. This means that apart from Wikipedia other sites may be censored when Googling any given subject.” CONTINUED (2) "Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY (3) "The right's latest weapon: 'Zionist editing' on Wikipedia" Haaretz" https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2010/08/the-rights-latest-weapon-zionist-editing-on-wikipedia-haaretz.html EXCERPT"Now the Yesha Council of settlements and another right-wing group, Israel Sheli, are embarking on a Wikipedia battle: Zionist editing on the Web-based encyclopedia. The course was designed to teach how to register for, contribute to and edit for Wikipedia."CONTINUED (4) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE" http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED (5)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION" http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298 EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED (6) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts" http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED (7) "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps" https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/ EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war. But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED ( “Air Photo Evidence” http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html EXCERPT: The Bottom Line "To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed." CONTINUED
Thanks, Grau, for your substantive answer. Of course I know about Wikipedia's bias, but this time I felt, they might not be as daft and outright quote Hoess telling a lie. That is criminal and Hoess, if he was alive or one of his children would speak for him, could sue Wikipedia for deliberately misquoting him and thus making a liar out of him. A libel suit could be launched, if I understand it right. Many years ago, when I first read about Hoess' statement about how many were killed in Auschwitz, it was, in my memory, around 3 - 4 million people. Nobody could believe it, and I thought then, that he deliberately quoted such a high number in order to make the German people aware, that he was lying under pressure. But now it is written quite differently and it sounds more genuine and believable to the layperson. You have done some enormous research work and analyzed each claim with logic and cross examination. But still, you were not there at the time and could see with your own eyes. The same goes for me, although I was in Germany at the time but was still a child under ten. I have found two people who were there at the time and in positions of knowledge about what was going on... they are General Otto Ernst Remer and Hermann Goering. Remer said, nobody was gassed in Auschwitz and Goering stated at the Nuremberg Trial that he knew nothing about gassings. Here is a short excerpt from General Remer while being interviewed: Rami: Why does Germany give Israel and the Jews such financial support? Remer: The Jews have enriched their religious legendary inheritance with the legend of the murder of six million Jews, who it is claimed were for the most part killed in German “gas chambers” during World War II. Although the number of Jews in the territories controlled by Germans did not rise above 1.5 million, the Jewish organizations, with the help of the media controlled by them, managed to turn their legend into “common knowledge.” The alleged gas chambers of Auschwitz are just one of the many propagandistic lies of the Jewish organizations against Germany. I declare categorically as one of the top military commanders of World War II that our army never murdered not even as much as one human being in any gas chamber. As a well-informed general I learned that Hitler’s plan was to free Europe from the control of the Jewish organizations. The Jews were to be relocated to Eastern Europe and Russia; in Birobidjan (in Siberia) there had been already set up a Jewish state. Hitler had categorically refused an offer of the Jewish organizations aimed at striking an alliance between the National Socialists and the Jews, whose aim would have been the immigration of the Jews into Palestine." Here is the complete article, well worth reading!!... https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/07/an-interview-with-general-otto-ernst-remer/ And now to Hermann Goering while being questioned at the Nuremberg Tribunal: Goering denied that Germany had a policy to exterminate the Jews. He claimed that Germany had a policy of emigration, not liquidation of the Jews. SIR DAVID MAXWELL-FYFE: Will you please answer my question. Do you still say neither Hitler nor you knew of the policy to exterminate the Jews? Goering: As far as Hitler is concerned, I have said I do not think so. As far as I am concerned, I have said that I did not know, even approximately, to what extent these things were taking place. SIR DAVID MAXWELL-FYFE: You did not know to what degree, but you knew there was a policy that aimed at the extermination of the Jews? Goering: No, a policy of emigration, not liquidation of the Jews. https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/...t-the-mass-murder-in-the-concentration-camps/ ------ My parents didn't know either! WHY are we not allowed to believe our own people?
Hoss wanted to write down his story for posterity and future historians. So he got a reprieve. He knew he was likely to be executed. It doesn't matter if the guards were Jews. Here is what he wrote: https://www.amazon.com/Commandant-Auschwitz-Autobiography-Rudolf-Hoess/dp/1842120247 In March 1946 members of the 92. British Field Security Section in Heide, Germany, arrested and imprisoned Hoess. When they realized who he was, they beat him up. However, he wasn't ill-treated in Polish imprisonment. Hoess, shortly before his trial for mass murder:
Goering left the details to his subordinate Heydrich. He didn't care how the Jews were eliminated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderbehandlung
Hoess' "memoirs" are in no way the exclusive writings or Rudolph Hoess and the primary reasons for his writing them was to spare his wife and children from death threats repeatedly made by the Allies. Hoess' pencil written "memoirs" as they are presented today for consumption of gullible rubes are primarily the work of holocaustian Martin Broszat who edited them to conform with the Allied propaganda narrative. In other words, what you are reading are what Martin Broszat wants you to think Hoess wrote. So, do you now believe that 3 million people were murdered at Auschwitz because Hoess said so? "Photo of Höß taken during his psychological and physical torture by Jews in the British Army showing cuts and small puncture wounds to his face."(1) Of course Hoess was also tortured by the Poles to the very end. In the hanging of Hoess, the Poles used a thin rope with a short drop so that the hanging would be a long and painful one: EXCERPT "One of the kommandants of Auschwitz concentration camp, Rudolf Höß was executed on April 16th 1947 at the Auschwitz camp in Poland. He was hanged on a specially constructed gallows opposite Krema 1. His hanging was with a very thin rope and on a very low gallows with a “trapdoor” through which he dropped after the force of his body falling upon it, opened it. A thin rope together with a short drop causes a slower death by strangulation as opposed to a faster death by breaking the neck." CONTINUED (1) You still haven't explained how the skeletal remains (bones and teeth) of 1.1 million people could have disappeared. Earlier you claimed that ashes were dumped in rivers but crude and rushed cremations don't reduce a body to ashes(2) and millions of bones and teeth would have remained. Also, Allied Air reconnaissance would have detected the hauling of millions of bones and teeth anywhere since Auschwitz was under constant surveillance because it was an important and extensive industrial facility. (1) "The torture, trial and execution of Rudolf Höß" https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3047 (2). "9 Things About Cremation" https://www.elementalnw.com/2014/05/26/9-things-cremation/ EXCERPT "2. You don’t get ash back. What’s really returned to you is the person’s skeleton. Once you burn off all the water, soft tissue, organs, skin, hair, cremation container/casket, etc., what you’re left with is bone." CONTINUED (3) “Air Photo Evidence” http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html EXCERPT "The Bottom Line To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed." CONTINUED
Thank you Jazz, The most honest and objective assessment of what really happened during the holocaust is that of the first and most credible (1946) Red Cross Report(1) before the Red Cross was pressured by the Allies and influential Zionist myth makers of the profitable and fraudulent Holocaust Industry(2), (3). to make a more Politically Correct version in 2006. Even after immense pressure from Allied propagandists and the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(2), (3), the 1948 Report(4) still makes no mention of "genocide", "gas chambers" or "systematic extermination of the Jews". Finally, the enormous political and financial pressure from the multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry, Hollywood movie moguls the Israeli lobbies and the multiple Western governments they manipulate became too much and in 2006, the Red Cross makes a cursory mention of genocide but remains mute on homicidal gas chambers and other popular fictions. Another conspicuously ignored source is that of the secret German radio transmissions that were intercepted by the British.(5) Not one of these millions of transmitted messages makes any mention of "mass extermination","homicidal gas chambers" or any of the similar fictions fabricated by Allied propagandists and the for profit Holocaust Industry. So, no matter how desperately today's professionally brainwashed holocaustians try to twist words to conform to their indoctrinations, there was no German genocidal agenda during the WW 2 era. (1) "A Factual Appraisal Of The 'Holocaust' By The Red Cross" "The Jews And The Concentration Camps:No Evidence Of Genocide" http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18054 EXCERPT "In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend." CONTINUED (2)"17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE" http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED (3)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION" http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298 EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED (4) "RED CROSS DENIES HOLOCAUST!: 1948 ICRC Report: No Evidence Of Genocide, Gas Chambers Or Systematic Extermination Of Jews. Most Deaths Caused By “Barbarous Bombing Of Civilian Germany By the U.S and U.K. Which Is A War Crime!” – ICRC PDF Here. UPDATE: In 2006, 58 Years Later, The ICRC Changed Their Story." https://truedemocracyparty.net/2020...bombing-of-civilian-germany-by-the-u-s-and-u/ (5) “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE” https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted. Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative. The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED
Thanks for your perspective. I looked up Luke 19:27 and read some evaluations of the passage but think that you'll have a tough time convincing those who profit from THE Holocaust® that it wasn't the most tragic event in the entire history of the mankind for which no amount of reparations is enough. When it comes to the holocaust, bad things happen to those who think for themselves. For example, Norman Finkelstein was punished with denial of tenure where he used to teach for writing "The Holocaust Industry" and exposing some of the innumerable holocaust hucksters, tax supported holocaust theme parks and crass extortion rackets who have reaped over $100 Billion and, now, demand even more. Of course the same Holocaust Industry that relentlessly extorts money from Germans not even born before WW 2 insist that it's not about the money. If it's not about the money, why, then is no amount of money enough? The enormous influence the Holocaust Industry - Lobby has over our government should be obvious to anyone wondering how America's most grisly, US taxpayer supported theme park, the USHMM (United States Holocaust Museum and Memorial) ended up on some of the world's most valuable real estate in Washington DC even though the event has nothing to do with US history. Regrettably, that same extensive influence is being used for the brainwashing of America school children(1) and anyone questioning the grossly exaggerated and physically impossible holocaust myth is slandered as a Jew hating Neo-Nazi and worse. However, prophecy or not, the standard holocaust narrative is aggressively and relentlessly marketed by a vicious, multi billion dollar, international industry that has been known to fire bomb(2), beat, slander and shoot at anyone who poses a threat to its fragile myths about "homicidal gas chambers", "6 million Jews murdered" etc. In spite of the Holocaust Industry's desperate disinformation campaign and repressive "Holocaust denial" laws in about 16 otherwise "free speech" democracies, the vast majority of the world does not believe the fraudulent holocaust narrative(3). According. to an ADL study only about 1/3 of the world actually believes the physically impossible holocaust narrative. Because of the intimidating effect of "Holocaust denial laws" on many Westerners, I think that it's safe to assume that even fewer people were willing to admit that they did not believe the melodramatic myths generated by the Hollywood - Holocaust Industry consortium. In other words, in places where you can be locked up for questioning the standard holocaust narrative, people responding to the poll didn't want to risk jail time. Of course any semblance of truth goes out the window in the lurid world of popular holocaust fantasy(4) and just when you thought that "Ms Holocaust pageants" were outrageous, along comes Holo-Porn(5) to liven things up. Thanks, (1) "On Remembrance Day, US House overwhelmingly passes Holocaust education bill" https://www.timesofisrael.com/on-re...erwhelmingly-passes-holocaust-education-bill/ EXCERPT "The legislation was widely supported by the organized American Jewish community. “We are pleased that the House has taken action today, on International Holocaust Remembrance Day, to ensure that the lessons of the Holocaust will be passed from one generation to the next,” said Jonathan Greenblatt, head of the Anti-Defamation League. “We look forward to this law’s swift passage and to working closely with teachers and districts across the country to ensure that Holocaust education is uniform and consistent across the country.”CONTINUED (2) "How Jewish Terrorists Fire-Bombed the Institute for Historical Review" http://www.ihr.org/other/jdl1984arson.html EXCERPT "Between February 1981 and October 1982, the Institute’s office in Torrance as well as individual IHR employees were targets of a systematic campaign of violence and harassment that included a drive-by shooting, three arson attacks, vandalization of IHR employee-owned automobiles, slashings of 22 tires of employee automobiles, JDL-organized demonstrations outside the IHR office, and numerous telephone threats during office hours and at night to IHR employees at home." CONTINUED (3) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS” https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/ EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts. Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth. Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust." - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated. - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED (4) "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html EXCERPT "Unfortunately, despite all these examples, publishers are still wilfully selling suspect memoirs based on the Holocaust and the war. No doubt there will be more books of this type. With publishers fighting it out to sell the latest tale of World War II derring-do, or Holocaust misery, it seems unlikely this is a genre that will die out. Anybody reading these books should stop and ask themselves whether what they hold in their hands is, in fact, true." CONTINUED (5) "Israel's Nazi-porn problem" https://www.salon.com/2008/04/11/stalags/ EXCERPT " Yet the newsstands in the Tel Aviv bus station sold racks of semi-pornographic pulp novels known as "Stalags," whose utterly implausible, Penthouse Forum-meets-Marquis de Sade plots ventured into the most forbidden terrain imaginable. Stalags all followed essentially the same formula: An American or British World War II pilot (generally not Jewish) is shot down behind enemy lines, where he is imprisoned, tortured and raped by an entire phalanx of sadistic, voluptuous female SS officers. His body violated but his spirit unbroken, the plucky Yank or Brit escapes in the end to rape and murder his captors." CONTINUED
I doubt those evaluations were helpful. Some wrongly believe it happened in 70AD. But it is still future. No need to convince them... the prophecy concerns them. Ironically, they have willingly returned to the scene of their crimes for their final judgment. .
My very limited understanding of Luke 19:27 is that Jesus wanted all who did not believe in him assembled at one place so that they could be destroyed. At the same time, my equally limited understanding to the Talmud is that 6 million Jews must die before the Jews could have a homeland. EXCERPTS " "The Source of the six million figure is a Talmudic (Jewish Talmud) reference to a future holocaust in which six million Jews die. The reason why they are claiming six million deaths in Nazi camps, even though that number vastly exceeds the number of Jews in Europe at the time, is because this reference in their scripture is something they fear deeply and wish to prevent at all costs. The Ashkenazi Jews, which I have experience with honestly believe that prophecy is real, but can be manipulated. They believe that prophets see into the future, and see what was believed and said, and then write that down as much as they reveal the word of GOD. SO there is a group of Ashkenazi Jews who wish to make the six million figure HISTORY to prevent it from ever happening in the FUTURE by repeating this number over and over and over into the social concience, in the hope that prophets of old will also latch onto this, and report it as a factual event in the future, which would now be history." CONTINUED (1) Perhaps, that is why there are over 150 references to "6 million Jews" (2) either being killed, threatened with destruction, starving etc so that the prophecy has already happened and been fulfilled rather than a pending mass tragedy in which 6 million Jews will really be killed. Have I described basically what you are asserting? (1) "International Red Cross Report Confirms the Holocaust of Six Million Jews is a Hoax" http://www.renegadetribune.com/inte...ort-confirms-holocaust-six-million-jews-hoax/ (2) "167 newspaper and other references to "Six Million Jews" 1900-1945" http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/6Mx167.html EXCERPT #165 1944 - Nahum Goldmann, Jewish Western Bulletin, December 8th, 1944: " ... apart from Jewish losses in combat service, 5,500,000 Jews have been killed in Germany and German-occupied tesritories [territories] since the outbreak of the awr [war]. These figures exceed the number anticipated even by the most pessimistic. ... Yes, the Germans murdered close to six million Jews ... " #166 1944 - Ilya Ehrenburg, Soviet War News, December 22nd, 1944: "In the regions they seized, Germans killed all Jews, from the old folks to infants in arms. Ask any German prisoners why his fellow countrymen annihilated six million innocent people ... " CONTINUED
You hit the nail on the head! It makes absolute sense. It is common knowledge that the Jews rejected Jesus and ordered him killed by the Roman authorities. BUT... what I find strange is, that Jesus would order them, the Jews, killed. That is so unchristian and goes against the love he supposedly had for his fellow men, which he also preached --> "love thy enemy like thyself" etc. It's confusing, to say the least.
Jesus' parable in Luke 19 is about His relationship with the unbelieving 'jews" who were Edomites [not Israelites.] Like King Herod [Rome's Edomite client king over Judea] who tried to murder Jesus right after He was born... Edomites who ruled the palace and the temple during the time of Christ were always trying to trick Jesus so they could accuse Him. But when they were not able to do that, they falsely accused Jesus and manipulated the clueless pagan Romans to crucify Him. The Roman governor knew Jesus was innocent. But the Edomites kept insisting Jesus be crucified. The Roman governor asked the Edomites, you want me to crucify your king? [He didn't know the Edomites were NOT Israeiites.] The Edomites shouted "we have no king but Caesar." The Roman governor said he would not have the blood of Jesus on his hands. So the Edomites said they would take the blood guilt upon themselves and their descendants. God's law commands murderers be executed. That is why the parable ends with the the king returning [Jesus' second coming] and His enemy Edomites... who rejected His kingship, manipulated His murder and took upon themselves and their descendants the blood guilt... being duly executed. The irony is... antichrist Edomites who now maliciously occupy and pervert God's ancient holy land have returned to the scene of their crime to face their final judgment. .
In Genesis Abraham's son Isaac had fraternal twin sons, Jacob/Israel and Esau/Edom. The twins struggled in the womb and Esau was born first. But Esau despised his divine inheritance and sold it to Jacob for lunch. Later Esau racially mixed his bloodline by marrying forbidden foreign women which forever separated Esau/Edom's descendants from God. The Israelites and Edomites were enemies throughout the Old Testament. Over and over the Bible tells us... God loves Jacob/Israel... but God hates Esau/Edom and has targeted Esau's descendants [Edomites] for total destruction. Per first century historian Josephus' "History of the Jews"... in the 2nd century BC, the Israelites and Edomites were [again] at war and the Edomites lost. But this time around the victorious Prince/High Priest of the last Kingdom of Israel did something very evil and very stupid... he gave the enemy Edomites permission to live in the Kingdom of Israel if they "converted"... and all the Edomites feigned "conversion" en masse.... becoming a fifth column that would eventually subvert, usurp and destroy the last Kingdom of Israel. in 37BC, Edomite "jew" Herod allied with Rome to conquer Jerusalem and Rome declared Edomite Herod Rome's client king of Judea. Edomite Herod proceeded to murder the remaining Israelite royalty, totally tore down Israel's [second] temple to rebuild his own [third] temple and put Edomites in charge. One can not understand the New Testament without knowing this history... that there were two totally different kind of "jews" in Judea at the time of Christ... the ruling Edomites and the oppessed Israelites. The Israelites followed Jesus Christ and became Christians [just as Jesus said they would.] The Edomites hated Jesus and wanted to kill Him. .
Except for recorded, sporadic executions by hanging or by firing squad, there were no mass executions. About a week ago, you claimed that the cremated "ashes" of 1.1 million cremated people were dumped in rivers around Auschwitz. Firstly, Ledgers from Auschwitz that were captured by the Communists show that there was only enough coal/coke delivered to Auschwitz to cremate about 70,000 people. Secondly, any attempt to cremate so many bodies would have been rushed leaving incomplete cremations ; i.e. physical remains. Finally, I showed that even after modern cremation, there are still skeletal remains / bones and teeth(1) so, if 1.1 million people were killed at Auschwitz, there would be mountains of bones and teeth yet no mass graves containing anywhere near a tiny fraction of 1.1 million or 70,000 have been found anywhere near the area. Please remember that the Allies had Auschwitz-Birkenau-Monowitz under constant surveillance(2) and would have detected to movement of any large number of remains. If 1.1 million or anywhere near that number as claimed by the Holocaust Industry there would be numerous mass graves or piles of human remains but nothing like that exists now or has ever been found. So, once again, where is the evidence (human remains) that 1.1 million people were murdered at Auschwitz according to the fraudulent Holocaust Industry (3), (4). (1) "9 Things About Cremation" https://www.elementalnw.com/2014/05/26/9-things-cremation/ EXCERPT "2. You don’t get ash back. What’s really returned to you is the person’s skeleton. Once you burn off all the water, soft tissue, organs, skin, hair, cremation container/casket, etc., what you’re left with is bone." CONTINUED (2) “Air Photo Evidence” http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html EXCERPT "The Bottom Line To this day there is no air photo evidence to support the alleged mass murder of the Jews at any location in Europe occupied by the Germans during World War Two. Further, air photo analysis refutes the claim that the 'Nazis' had intended, at whatever time, to keep events in the alleged extermination camps secret. In many cases the air photos provide clear proof that some of the events attested to by witnesses, such as the destruction of the Hungarian Jews or the mass executions at Babi Yar, did not in fact take place. We may hope that the release of Soviet air photos dating from the time the camps were in operation will shed further light on these issues. The fact that these photos have not been published to date may already speak for itself. That the photos in western hands were altered in order to incriminate Germany, and were first published by the CIA, is also very significant indeed." CONTINUED (3) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE" http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED (4)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION" http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298 EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED
