About the Holocaust

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  1. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dear Grau;
    not that I want to diminish your post, but it is remarkable to see that the women in your picture above are wearing civilian clothing, while the women in this photo below are wearing some sort of prison garb...
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    https://metrovoicenews.com/what-happened-to-the-babies-of-auschwitz/

    How can that be explained?
     
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    "Auschwitz personnel on holiday at Solahuette. They don’t look like they spend their time gassing people."(*)


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    "Auschwitz’s Female Guards"(*)



    Do the people in the photos above really look like the mass murdering sadists of holocaustian propaganda?

    Please remember that all sides used propaganda only the Holocaust Industry had(1) and has(2) Hollywood movie moguls to keep the same US propaganda (OWI: Office of War Information) flowing.

    The same professional propagandists of the Holocaust Industry who lied to us about human skin lampshades, shrunken heads, human fat soap, human skin pocket books are still lying about homicidal gas chambers(3), 6 million Jews killed, a genocidal "Final Solution".
    If a money hungry Holocaust Industry has such a blatant history of lying, why trust them now?



    (*) "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
    http://radiochristianity.com/holocaust-deprogramming-course/


    (1) "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps"
    https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/

    EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war.

    But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED


    (2) "THE FACT SPIELBERG SUPPRESSED IN SCHINDLER'S LIST: The Commandant of Krakau-Plaszow (Amon Goeth) Was Arrested by the SS for Brutality against Inmates"
    https://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist6.html

    EXCERPT "This vital, exculpatory information has been censored by Spielberg in order to maintain his propaganda depiction of the German military in the worst possible light.

    The fact that the SS, under orders from Heinrich Himmler, attempted to operate the concentration camps (KZ) in a humane manner, in part by prosecuting, jailing and even executing brutal Nazi concentration camp personnel, has been nearly completely suppressed in much of the discussion of the history of World War Two.

    One of the key officers who was instrumental in Himmler's campaign to attempt to ensure the human rights of KZ inmates, was the heroic and incorruptible SS Judge Konrad Morgen."CONTINUED


    (3) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.
     
  3. Grau

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    I don't feel like you're diminishing my post and welcome any conflicting views.

    My understanding is that most all adult inmates wore some sort of uniform in which to work.

    I suspect that civilian clothes were allowed while in the hospitals and maternity unit.

    Children didn't have to wear uniforms except for Soviet Photo-Ops after "liberation" by the Communists in which many inmates were raped(1) others sent to gulags and the rest enjoyed life under Stalin's rule.




    (1) “Raped by their saviours: How the survivors of Auschwitz escaped one nightmare only to face another unimaginable ordeal”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...aped-nightmare-faced-unimaginable-ordeal.html

    EXCERPT “The exact number of sexual attacks perpetrated by Soviet soldiers as they advanced through Germany, and then in the immediate aftermath of the war, will never be known, but the figure is certainly in the hundreds of thousands if not millions.

    The revelation that women who had already endured so much mistreatment in camps such as Auschwitz were then subsequently raped by their liberators adds a grotesque level of nausea to the story that did not exist before.” CONTINUED
     
  4. Grau

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    Sorry, but you're wrong again.

    The Nazis did not use "code words" because they didn't know that the British had broken their Enigma code.

    Additionally, Himmler spoke openly about his crimes. Why wouldn't he use code words all of the time if used them at all?

    Please see the article below:


    Another Holocaust Lie: 1.3M Jews Sent to Treblinka, Other Camps, Not Killed, They Were Transferred Elsewhere
    https://www.therussophile.org/anoth...-killed-they-were-transferred-elsewhere.html/

    EXCERPT “Some Jewish historians dismiss these and other statements by Himmler by saying that the Nazis used code words to hide their genocide of European Jewry. This theory does not explain why Himmler used explicit written orders for his other crimes. For example, Heinrich Himmler authorized in writing many illegal human medical experiments and executions in the German concentration camps. It is absurd to think that Himmler hid the genocide of European Jewry behind code words, while his other crimes were clearly stated in writing.

    Since the Allies claimed that Nazi Germany had a program of genocide against European Jewry, numerous documents contradicting the genocide myth were hidden or destroyed by the Allies. However, enough documents exist to disprove Longerich’s assertion that all Jews sent to the Aktion Reinhardt camps were exterminated.” CONTINUED
     
  5. Jazz

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    Whatever you say, your hate for the Germans is bottomless and I don't have the absolute truth to argue against you. Therefore, a discussion between us is useless.
     
  6. Dutch

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    Nazis are bad, hated people. Verstehen?
     
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  7. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Donor

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    Ah, so those happy, smiling women in your pictures of maternity ward are Nazis female guards? Yes, I don't see why they would not be happy.
     
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    Nix foerstaahn!
     
  9. Grau

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    Please remember that all sides used propaganda however the victors get to continue using their own propaganda after the war.
    Who's going to stop them?

    America's propaganda. outlet was called the OWI, Office of War Information.

    Propaganda was used to demoralize and humiliate the civilian population.

    The Western Allies wanted the German population to think that their government was committing genocide using homicidal gas chambers.

    The Poles claimed that the Germans were committing genocide with homicidal steam chambers.

    The Russian Communist propaganda(*) was the same thing except that mass executions were done by a bizarre form of electrocution(1)

    It was admitted by the Western Allies at the Nuremberg "Trials" that the gassing at Auschwitz was just Allied propaganda.(2)
    If you don't believe me you can look at original source like I did which is:
    Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.

    How much more evidence do you need to see that there were no German homicidal gas chambers than an admission by the Allies that gassing was"...an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort," ?

    The only gas chambers were those designed to be gas chambers and those were for defumigating old clothes, blankets etc.



    (*)“Soviet’s Anti-Nazi Propaganda, Fake Pictures during World War”
    http://www.hoaxorfact.com/Crime/soviet-s-anti-nazi-propaganda-fake-pictures-during-world-war.html

    EXCERPT “The Soviets and the rest of the allies were in fact faking hundreds of pictures during and after the World war, as a part of psychological warfare against the German people and propagandize their own people.

    However, in later years, with the user of computers and the internet, the usage of those hundreds of images were proved to be faked during and after World War Two, which also intended to demonize Hitler and the NSDAP (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei).”CONTINUED



    (1) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


    (2) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.
     
  10. Grau

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    No, the women with their babies in the maternity unit were inmates. (*)

    EXCERPT:
    "Auschwitz maternity ward
    Over 3,000 live births were registered there, with not a single infant death while Auschwitz was in operation under German rule.
    * Auschwitz pregnancies took place because of the open nature of the facility." CONTINUED(*)

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    Auschwitz camp nursery 1942 (*)



    (*) "Holocaust Deprogramming Course"
    http://radiochristianity.com/holocaust-deprogramming-course/
     
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    You might want to remind @Dutch that there were also several high ranking Nazis who were Jewish.
    Additionally, there were also Slavic Nazis

    “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED
     
  12. Jazz

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    Naw... Dutch is as closed in his mind as Pittbull. Besides, dear Grau, they already got all the info they need from your posts.
     
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    RE: About the Holocaust
    SUBTOPIC: Who debates and Why?
    ※→ et al,

    BLUF: No one really achieves anything of value in these debates. Anyone that seriously debates the issues is not the type that will surrender their beliefs.

    (COMMENT)

    ◈ There are those that argue the magnitude in the number of those deaths of the "Holocaust" was over-exaggerated, or executions were not as widespread as contended.

    ◈ There are those that question the reliability of evidence or suggest that other evidence refutes the claims made.

    ◈ There are those that contend the "Holocaust" claims are a "Hoax" and many "Myths" revolve have been circulated.​

    An extraordinary number of the arguments are ad Hominem presentations; opponents claiming the other to be untruthful, deceitful, and perhaps even malicious. My personal experience is that many debates start out civilized but gradually descend into the darkness where there is no sense of recovery. In some cases, the debate causes hidden agenda to surface, and where anti-Semites, hardcore Zionist, Islamic promoters, Neo-NAZIs, and paper Jihadists begin to show their true colors.

    It is not unusual to see these debates gradually slip into arguments on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. That is where the debate itself turns the corner and becomes a rhetorical strategy or referendum on the character, motive, or agenda of a person rather than a focus on the salient points of the issue.

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    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
  14. Dutch

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    Gen. Dwight Eisenhower views the charred bodies of prisoners after the 1945 liberation of the Nazis’ Ohrdruf concentration camp. Dwight D. Eisenhower Presidential Library

    Eisenhower’s intuition
    When Gen. Dwight Eisenhower visited the Buchenwald concentration camp in 1945, after its liberation by U.S. forces, he realized how impossible it might be for people to believe the scale of Nazi atrocities. He wrote powerfully of the experience, and of his reasons for going to see it in person:

    The things I saw beggar description. … In one room, where they were piled up twenty or thirty naked men, killed by starvation, George Patton would not even enter. … I made the visit deliberately, in order to be in position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the near future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to ‘propaganda.’”

    Eisenhower’s words are instructions for future generations. They underscore the need to be a witness to human cruelty in order to protect the memory of, and lessons learned from, these events from those who would try to distort them.

    As Eisenhower well understood, history needs protecting.
     
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    Dreadful the whole thing! But it was war, don't forget that! Germany had already been bombed to smithereens by the Amis.

    The aim of the American army was to rush straight to Ohrdruf, because that was where the Germans had their atom bomb testing facility. Naturally, they wanted to get there before the Russians, which they managed.
    In order to disguise their real interest they made a big fuss out of the prison camp.

    Read and explore this article, it has everything in it for both of us:

    https://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2018/03/23/ohrdruf-was-a-famous-camp-in-the-holocaust/
     
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    How ironic that you should highlight the pontifications of one of WW 2's most heinous and bigoted war criminals as he gloats over the dismal conditions the Allies worked to create by destroying Germany's civilian infrastructure.

    Of course the normally clean and well run work camps were in miserable condition at the end of the war. Late in 1944, Germany appealed to the Red Cross to allow for the passage of medical supplies and food for the camps but the Allies chose rather to "roast" civilian refugees(1), continue bombing civilian supply lines & deny the resupplying of the camps thus deliberately causing the gruesome conditions so offensive to the criminal Eisenhower.

    Because of Eisenhower's fervent hatred of the Germans (2), he ordered that German POWs be denied the most basic shelter, food, medical care causing the slow and miserable deaths of about 1 million German POWs (3), (4).

    He refused the Red Cross access to his real death camps and ordered that anyone caught feeding the POWs to be shot.
    Because the Geneva Convention accords require that POWs be treated well, Eisenhower created a classification for the German POWs, (DEF: Disarmed Enemy Forces) so that he could bypass the requirements of the Geneva Convention accords and murder as many German POWs as possible.

    Finally, in spite of Eisenhower's feigned humanitarian concerns, neither he, Churchill, or de Gaulle make any mention of homicidal gas chambers or a genocidal German agenda to exterminate Europe's Jews in their post war books whose combined pages number over 7,000 pages. Those myths were simply part of the general Allied propaganda initiative(5).


    (1) “I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”
    Prime Minister Winston Churchill

    "Winston Churchill: the Imperial Monster"
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/28/winston-churchill-the-imperial-monster/


    (2) “God, I hate the Germans...”
    Dwight D. Eisenhower
    Featured in: Dwight D. Eisenhower Quotes
    https://quotefancy.com/quote/796826/Dwight-D-Eisenhower-God-I-hate-the-Germans


    (3) “Buried Alive Screaming In The Night: German POW Survivors Describe Eisenhower’s Extermination Camps After WWII Had Ended”
    https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018...ers-extermination-camps-after-wwii-had-ended/


    EXCERPTS “This is one of a series of published and planned articles detailing aspects of the Western Allies deliberate intention to murder approximately 1 million disarmed German POWs by means of unnecessary starvation, exposure, and illness.

    “The Western Allies deliberately murdered approximately 1 million disarmed German POWs by means of starvation, exposure, and illness. This Allied atrocity was first publicly exposed in 1989 in the book Other Losses by James Bacque. Bacque estimates in Other Losses that the victims undoubtedly number over 790,000, almost certainly over 900,000, and quite likely over a million. The prisoners’ deaths were knowingly caused by army officers who had sufficient resources to keep these prisoners alive. Relief organizations such as the Red Cross that attempted to help prisoners in the American camps were refused permission by the army. “CONTINUED


    (4) "GERMAN HOLOCAUST GERMAN GENOCIDE: 9-15 Million Germans Killed 1945 – 1953 Post WW2 “The Morgenthau Plan” EISENHOWER’S DEATH CAMPS “A Forgotten Genocide”
    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2014/...eisenhowers-death-camps-a-forgotten-genocide/

    EXCERPTS “ Scanned images of the text of the cover story published in the September 1989 issue of Saturday Night describes Eisenhower’s barbarism. Here is the truth.

    Bacque tells the truth about how Eisenhower murdered thousands of German prisoners of war AFTER the surrender. Many of those starving soldiers and piles of dead bodies you have seen in atrocity photos were NOT Jews, they were Germans.

    Who are the good guys?

    This shocking book shreds the notion of a higher moral authority most Americans take for granted as their legacy of victory in WWII. Mr. Bacque sifts through reams of Army records and exposes the cover-ups, obfuscations, and downright distortions perpetrated by Army high command in the heady days following Allied victory in Europe.

    He details General Eisenhower’s nearly pathological hatred of Germany and the German people and his systematic starvation and neglect of disarmed German soldiers and civilians. The death count is staggering, and the behavior of those in command, criminal. All the more so, because this type of spiteful retribution was unbeknownst and contrary to the will of the American people. The foreword is by Dr. Ernest F. Fisher, Jr. A retired Colonel, and senior historian for the U.S. Army.”CONTINUED


    (5) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.
     
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    Sorry my friend, I do not engage Holocaust deniers and other anti-semites. You can discuss it among yourself.
     
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    Attempting to validate holocaustian fraudulence is precisely what you have tried and failed to do for the last few days and I have neither denied that the holocaust happened nor have I engaged in any form of anti Semitism in any of my posts regardless of the topic.

    I am simply attempting to look at the causes and events of this tragic era with an objective eye and obviously feel that countless innocent Germans have been murdered, extorted and slandered based a fraudulent and obviously indefensible Allied - Holocaust Industry narrative.

    Never before has any country paid so dearly in blood and been so crassly extorted by such fraudulent swindlers as Germany has by the vengeful Allies, the corrupt Holocaust Industry(1), (2) and its relentless army of insatiable crooks and liars.

    Please at least bear in mind that any entity that would cheat holocaust survivors and deliberately lie about human skin pocketbooks, human fat soap, shrunken heads and other grisly fables would also lie about a non existent genocidal agenda agenda(3), 6 million Jews murdered and fictional gas, steam or electrocution chambers(4)

    Professional liars and extortionists don't deserve your loyalty.

    Thanks, my friend, and enjoy your weekend,



    (1)"17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (2)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


    (3) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    (4) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED
     
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    Sometimes ima feeling to engage antisemites, and sometimes I do not. Today is not your day.

    There.
     
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    "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" Socrates


    You've repeatedly referred to me as an an "anti Semite" simply because I have shown that the Allied - Holocaust Industry propaganda narrative is fraudulent.
    At the same time I've repeatedly asked you to show where I have written anything genuinely anti Semitic in nature and you have been entirely unable to do so.

    Over the decades that I've studied the WW 2 era and the holocaust, I've found that the primary tools of holocaustians who cannot validate the irrational fantasies of their indoctrination have been base slander and / or transparent evasion.
    Since you made the deliberate choice to join this discussion, you have chosen to do both by only posting a few grisly photos and engaging in unsupportable slander.

    So, unless you can show the locations of the missing mass graves or hundreds of homicidal gas chambers that would have been needed to gas millions of people, you're simply showing why most of the world does not believe(1) the fraudulent holocaust narrative.



    ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “ Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    Re:
    When you say "these debates." I'm not sure if you mean "these debates." all across the entire forum or specifically debates about the holocaust. Since you chose to post your comment at this thread, I will assume that you mean debates specifically related to the holocaust.

    I don't know if I've "achieved" anything tangible but I've learned more about the topic at hand by being forced to do the research necessary to to make my point.

    Additionally, I would be willing to change my mind if enough hard evidence turned up to support the standard holocaust narrative but unlike real genocides, there is nothing to support the story that that about 11 million people (6 million Jews and 5 million others) were systematically murdered.

    1. There is no written order from Hitler calling for the extermination of anybody.
    2. There is nothing in secret, intercepted German radio transmissions to suggest that a genocide was ordered or occurring.
    3. There are no mass graves containing anywhere near the number of human remains that are claimed by the Holocaust Industry
    4. The world's Jewish population doesn't reflect a 6 million person loss during the times claimed.
    5. There is no mention of a genocidal agenda in any of the post war books written by Eisenhower, Churchill or de Gaulle that total over 7,000 pages.
    6. Germany simply did not have the manpower, motive, resources and / or time to fight a war on 3 Fronts and at the same time round up, transport, house, provide medical care & feed 11 million people simply to kill them.

    So, unlike real genocides where there are brimming mass graves, an extensive paper trail and other forms of tangible evidence, there is nothing to suggest that about 11 million people were exterminated in an industrialized manner in the locations claimed.

    If the remains of millions of people suddenly were discovered, yes, I would certainly reevaluate my beliefs

    Re:
    This particular observation of yours is certainly characteristic of organizations comprising the multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry because since they can't refute the facts, they attack the messenger.
    Every professional person who debunks a holocaustian myth is viciously reviled and frequently attacked in both their public and private life.
    Organizations such as I.H.R. (Institute of Historical Review) has had its offices firebombed, University professors are either fired, denied tenure or beaten nearly to death and scientists quickly find themselves denied grants, the recipients of death threats and the targets of public slander.
    Briefly put, telling the truth about the holocaust is not for the faint hearted.

    Thanks,
     
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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, it isn't! If you lived in Germany, you would be sitting in jail by now along with Ursula Haverbeck, who is now finally behind bars after years of making proclamations like "The Holocaust is the biggest and most sustainable lie in history."

    https://allthatsinteresting.com/ursula-haverbeck

    Not to forget Ernst Zuendel, incarcerated several times in Canada and Germany. Now deceased.
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...9894B628C180641135C6989&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

    David Cole...


    Here are a few brief stories of many more [​IMG]

    http://www.zundelsite.org/archive/victims/victims_of_zion.html

    :dizzy:
     
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    This was a good thing at that time because the Nazis were really bad and mighty people who hijacked Germany. Germans were unable to get rid of them by their own efforts only. They urgently needed outside help.

    The Hitler guys tried to hide their noxious deeds. Imagine they'd have won WW2. Would anybody know then what crimes they committed?

    BTW, Shortly before the third Reich bubble burst, the Nazis dig up mass graves to burn the corpses, to make the evidence disappear. Nazism is criminal right up to the core!
     
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    It should be obvious to anyone following our discussion that you're being evasive in regard to my previous questions.

    I have repeatedly asked you to explain why there are no mass graves at Auschwitz where, according to the international Holocaust Industry, the Germans killed 1.1 million people.

    On 18 July I wrote:

    "You still haven't explained how the skeletal remains (bones and teeth) of 1.1 million people could have disappeared.

    Earlier you claimed that ashes were dumped in rivers but crude and rushed cremations don't reduce a body to ashes(1) and millions of bones and teeth would have remained.
    Also, Allied Air reconnaissance would have detected the hauling of millions of bones and teeth anywhere since Auschwitz was under constant surveillance because it was an important and extensive industrial facility."


    So, I'll ask again: "Where are the skulls, bones and teeth of 1.1 million people?"

    The truth is that these 1.1 million people were not murdered in fictional "gas chambers". They were transferred to other locations.

    Secondly, the infamous German homicidal gas chambers only existed in Western Allied propaganda.(2)
    Polish propagandists claimed that millions were killed in homicidal "steam chambers" while Communist propagandists claimed that millions were killed via complex "electrical chambers"(3)

    Today, the Polish "steam chambers" and Soviet "electrocution chambers" have been quietly dismissed in favor of the homicidal "gas chambers" myth even though the fact remains that the only "gas chambers" that existed in the German run camps were defumigation chambers used to delouse old blankets, old clothes etc for preventing the spread of deadly typhus which was the primary cause of death.

    The following are other reasons to illustrate that the homicidal "gas chamber" myth is just the product of Allied - Holocaust Industry propaganda:
    EXCERPT:
    • 1). Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.

    • 2). There have been thousands of investigations of alleged Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single person gassed—AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000 MASS GASSINGS!

    • 3). Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also died from typhus.

    • 4). The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED (4)

    Re:
    If anybody knows the facts about burning human remains, it would be people who do it for a living and they say that burning a body doesn't make it "disappear"; the skull, bones and teeth still remain.(1)

    Not only are there no mass graves containing anywhere near the claimed number of victims at Auschwitz, at least 2 detailed ground studies have been made at Treblinka and with the exception of a few older marked Christian remains,
    no mass graves were found (5), (6).

    Please remember that thousands of innocent German POWs were murdered and the insatiably greedy Holocaust Industry continues to extort $ Billions based on outright lies.

    I don't dispute the fact that crimes were committed by both sides but I'll ask again, where is the evidence that the Germans murdered about 1.1 million people at Auschwitz and about 800,000 at Treblinka




    (1) "9 Things About Cremation"
    https://www.elementalnw.com/2014/05/26/9-things-cremation/

    EXCERPT "2. You don’t get ash back. What’s really returned to you is the person’s skeleton. Once you burn off all the water, soft tissue, organs, skin, hair, cremation container/casket, etc., what you’re left with is bone." CONTINUED



    (2) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.


    (3) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


    (4) “The Problems of Mass Gassing”
    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/


    (5) “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves." CONTINUED


    (6) "Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves"
    https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php

    EXCERPT "The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes." CONTINUED







     
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    I'm still waiting for you to support your slanderous accusation with even one comment I have written that is truly "anti Semitic".

    My experience with people who have been indoctrinated into believing the standard holocaust narrative is that they are entirely unable to refute the many facts that prove its fraudulence so they are forced to resort to base slander when they can't have the truth censored.

    So, either retract your accusation or support it.
     
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