About the Holocaust

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  1. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    MORE EVASIONS



    You're not being honest.

    I've never denied that the holocaust happened and you have never provided a rational explanation for any of the facts I've just listed that disprove the standard holocaust narrative (SHN).

    You're not debating, you're just name calling, engaging in evasions and making up things as you go along.

    For example, you just made up the pestle bone grinding story recently and, like your other claims, you've been entirely unable to provide a credible source that any bone grinding went on at Auschwitz-Birkenau-Monowitz.
    I also showed where the only known bone grinding machine was at Janowska.

    Earlier, you claimed that cremation burned the whole body, bones and all until I disproved this falsehood with a credible source(1). So, there should be hundreds of millions of bones and teeth in and around Auschwitz-B.-M. but nothing like that exists.
    No one has any trouble finding numerous mass graves around Stalin's USSR so why aren't there the bones and teeth of 1.1 million people around Auschwitz -B.-M.?

    You can't explain where the skeletal remains of 1.1 million people or any of the other facts I listed because the SHN is just a lie used to deceive anyone gullible to believe the impossible and an extortion racket used to slander the German people and swindle them out of countless $ Billions.



    (1) "9 Things About Cremation"
    https://www.elementalnw.com/2014/05/26/9-things-cremation/

    EXCERPT "2. You don’t get ash back. What’s really returned to you is the person’s skeleton. Once you burn off all the water, soft tissue, organs, skin, hair, cremation container/casket, etc., what you’re left with is bone."
    CONTINUED
     
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    Since you are entirely unable to refute any of the facts I've listed that prove that the holocaust has greatly distorted and crassly exploited, I thought I'd check out your explanation for the fact that there are so few human remains left at Auschwitz.

    After years of claiming that 4 million people were killed at Auschwitz, the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(1), (2) now claims that 1.1 million people were killed at Auschwitz.

    Fortunately, nowhere near that number of human remains have ever been found. In one of your rare explanations you claimed in your Post # 2426 that:

    "Bones that did not burn completely were ground to powder with pestles..."

    After 2 - 3 hours of research, I found absolutely nothing to indicate that bones were crushed with pestles anywhere. In fact the only bone crushing device I could find was at Janowska and there is no mention of bone crushing done with pestles or anything other than that machine at Janowska.

    This means that you're having to make things up to support the fraudulent holocaust narrative since the facts are against a fiction you have chosen to believe.

    I don't care what you chose to believe but when you have to resort to lies to support the fictitious holocaust narrative, you've revealed that you'll say anything to deceive others and, like the standard holocaust narrative, have little credibility.

    It's no wonder that the international Holocaust Industry fears honest examination and open debate so much that it criminalizes free speech in about 16 "democracies".



    (1)"17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED



    (2)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED
     
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    https://www.newstatesman.com/cultur...suicide-ordinary-germans-end-second-world-war

    I'm wasting my whole Sunday afternoon reading about the stupid WWII!!
    From the above link I came to the conclusion that Hitler together with most of the German population, for sure my parents, lived in some kind of childish fantasy land, believing, that our enemies from WWI had somehow become our benevolent friends. That was just irresponsible wishful thinking. Hitler should have been much more vigilant and observant. He could have easily guessed that England would never allow him to rise to power and be a threat to their hegemony. Likewise the Jews (Bolsheviks) in Russia were just waiting for their chance.
    He had no formal training in strategical planning or even been in a leading position. There were several highly important decisions to be made where he should have listened to his Generals instead of deciding on his own, being 100s or 1000s of kilometers away from the crisis area.
    He was more of an artist, an idealist, a humanist and dreamer rather than a ruthless killer dictator, like Stalin.

    Before I go :banana: I better say

    :bye::bye:
     
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    Who cares about Adolph? He was a weak dictator.
    I think his paladins like Himmler & Goring could have dissuaded him from committing the Holocaust. But they probably wanted it themselves or they didn't care.
     
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    You did many times. :(

    I am not omniscient. We all don't. I'm learning Holocaust history "on the fly".

    Sometimes when I read the crazy "explanations" of a designated Holocaust denier (like you), I sit down to investigate them. That can lead to deviations from time to time. Don't take my failures as evidence that the HC didn't happen.

    There are certain verities about the HC that can't be broken by HC deniers. One of them is the existence of the Auschwitz gas chambers and crematoria. Another one is the approximate number of victims.

    We're not living in the 1950's bro, where HC denial might have been successful.
    You guys lost the game a long time ago. There is no extra time and no penalty shoot-out. :D
     
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    In case I haven't posted this yet:
    Wannsee Conference as a short movie.
    Nazis are planning to exterminate European Jews.
    (German with English subtitles)

     
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    Are you using old false claims to refute the Holocaust? That can only be a joke.
    Gaining knowledge is a gradual process. Especially when it comes to recent history.
     
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    "HUMAN SKIN LAMPSHADES, HUMAN FAT SOAP, SHRUNKEN HEADS AND BONE GRINDING PESTLES"


    First, can we please clear up the meaningless and dishonest misnomer, "Holocaust denier" that was coined by a woman named Deborah Lipstadt and is one of the most misused terms in the English language?
    The meaning of the verb, "deny" is very clear.

    For example, I deny that the sun orbits the earth therefore I am an earth-centric solar system denier.

    There are, I suppose, some people who still believe that once popular view of our solar system just as there are a very few people who think that the whole holocaust story is made up.
    That is a "Holocaust denier".

    I don't deny that many people (Bolsheviks, Communists, Jews, the Roma, partisans, common criminals etc) were arrested, lost their possessions, transferred to work camps where some were executed and some made to work.

    According to Arno Mayer, most of those who died died of disease rather than execution and, based on the number of holocaust survivors, quite a few survived in excellent health and lived to an old age.

    Through objective research and after knowing, working with and living with holocaust survivors, WW 2 civilian survivors and WW 2 Veterans on both sides, I've learned that what I call the standard holocaust narrative simply cannot be true based on their eye witness testimony, simple math, the existing documents and the law of physics.

    Overall, what is more important than whatever label you wish to apply to me is the topic at hand and the irrefutable facts I have presented so far that prove that the standard holocaust narrative (SHN) is an impossible yet very profitable fraud.
    - There was no German genocidal agenda to murder all of Europe's Jews.
    - There were no homicidal gas chambers.
    -- About 6 million Jews were not murdered nor were about 5 million others murdered; the human remains simply are not there unlike around Stalin's gulags and other real genocides.
    - Crematoria were to help contain Typhus etc, not to destroy evidence.
    - Photos of dead bodies that could be anyone do not prove either murder or genocide.
    - Primarily, I simply don't think that the German people are guilty of the heinous crimes attributed to them.

    Re:
    Again, I don't know what "you guys" means. I'm an American Veteran who has tried to study this topic closely, honestly and objectively with the knowledge that the Allies used and still use propaganda too.
    Sadly, Hollywood, the Holocaust Industry and its complicit MSM maintains the use of that same dishonest propaganda.

    People who have studied the WW 2 era, done the math and known honest eyewitnesses don't have to evade questions and make up falsehoods about bone grinding "pestles" to validate their views because the truth doesn't need fictitious falsehoods or draconian "holocaust denial" laws.

    Finally, if you find that you have to resort to fabricating falsehoods about bone grind pestles to defend your views, it's past time to wonder if your views are really the truth.
     
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    No, I don't need to fabricate falsehoods to refute the standard holocaust narrative. Simple math, the laws of physics, common sense and honest eyewitnesses are all that's needed to do that.

    For many years holocaustians claimed that about 4 million people were murdered at Auschwitz based on tortured confessions of Rudolph Hoess.

    People who said that wasn't true were reviled as "holocaust deniers" at that time.

    Today, holocaustians claim that an equally fictitious 1.1 million people died / were killed at Auschwitz even though the Red Cross stated that about 271,000 people were killed / died in all the German run camps(1) and nowhere near that amount of human remains exist or existed around Auschwitz.

    By the way, the Red Cross was allowed to inspect and/or deliver food and medicine to the German run camps but both Eisenhower and Stalin refused to let the Red Cross anywhere near their real death camps.


    (1) "INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS (IRC) DOCUMENT CONFIRMS 271 THOUSAND NOT 6 MILLION DIED IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS"
    https://archive.org/details/auschwitz_201905

    EXCERPTS:

    "OFFICIAL INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS RECORDS RELEASED

    Sealed and guarded since the end of WWII at Arolsen, Germany, the Official IRC records reveal the actual Concentration Camp total death toll was 271,301.

    For years, people around the world – “the West” in particular – have been told that “six million Jews were systematically murdered by Germans in ‘Concentration Camps’ during World War 2.”

    Thousands of honest people disputing this claim have been viciously smeared as a hateful anti-Semite. Several countries around the world have jailed and heavily fined people for disputing the claim that “6 Million” Jews were killed.

    Red Cross and East German government figures put the total deaths at every camp as 272.000, and 282,000 respectively which includes homosexuals, communists, gypsies, murderers, paedophiles etc. The 6 Million figure is a Kabbalist number, a magickal figure which featured in news papers in the early 1900’s." CONTINUED
     
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    http://vho.org/GB/Books/thottc/5.html
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    The 1939 study of Arthur Ruppin, Professor of Jewish Sociology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, gave 16,717,000 Jews in the world in 1938. 17 Because Ruppin (who passed away in 1943) was considered the fore-most expert on such matters, on account of many writings on the subject over a period of many years, the estimates of other pre-war sources tend to agree with him. Thus the American Jewish Committee estimate for 1933, which appears in the 1940 World Almanac, was 15,315,359. The World Almanac figure for 1945 is 15,192,089 (page 367); no source is given but the figure is apparently based on some sort of religious census. The 1946 World Almanac revised this to 15,753,638, a figure which was retained in the editions of 1947 (page 74, 1948 (page 572) and 1949 (page 289). The 1948 World Almanac (page 249) also gives the American Jewish Committee estimate for 1938 (sic),15,688,259 while the 1949 World Almanac (page 204) reports new figures from the American Jewish Committee which were developed in 1947-1948: 16,643,120 in 1939 and 11,266,600 in 1947.
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    That leaves over 5 million unaccounted for, exactly what has been claimed all these years as being killed by the Germans.
    What is the reason for restating that number which, give a few more or less, is the official number of deaths in concentration camps?

    Am I missing something, Scott?
     
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    It looks to me like they're saying that the original figure arrived at in 1945 was a reduction of 123,270.

    When they decided to lie about the number of Jews killed, they changed the figures to mislead people; the new bogus reduction is 5,376,520.
     
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    As you know, there have been fictitious reports of "6 million Jews" killed, hungry or in some form of peril long before WW 2 (1) so it comes as no surprise that minions of the Holocaust Industry would trot that same figure out again after WW 2 when people of all backgrounds were scattered all over the world and impossible to calculate how many Jews lost their lives or were simply displaced and unable to be counted.

    What is more compelling in calculating the tragic number of lost Jewish lives is the absence of large mass graves that are plentiful and huge in Stalin's Russia but either tiny or missing completely(2), (3) around the German run work camps.

    Briefly put, the human remains of 11 million people ( 6 million Jews and 5 million others) simply are not there.

    I did, however, find 2 sources that more simply relate the world's Jewish population before and after WW 2 (4), (5)
    however, as anyone who has studied this tragic era has discovered, one can find sources that support or refute the myth that about 6 million Jews were killed or died during the WW 2 era.



    (1). "167 newspaper and other references to "Six Million Jews" 1900-1945"
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/6Mx167.html

    EXCERPT

    1. #165 1944 - Nahum Goldmann, Jewish Western Bulletin, December 8th, 1944: " ... apart from Jewish losses in combat service, 5,500,000 Jews have been killed in Germany and German-occupied tesritories [territories] since the outbreak of the awr [war]. These figures exceed the number anticipated even by the most pessimistic. ... Yes, the Germans murdered close to six million Jews ... "
    2. #166 1944 - Ilya Ehrenburg, Soviet War News, December 22nd, 1944: "In the regions they seized, Germans killed all Jews, from the old folks to infants in arms. Ask any German prisoners why his fellow countrymen annihilated six million innocent people ... " CONTINUED

    (2) “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-16657363

    EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.CONTINUED


    (3) "Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves"
    https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v19/v19n3p20_radar.php

    EXCERPT "The team carefully examined the entire Treblinka II site, especially the alleged “mass graves” portion, and carried out control examinations of the surrounding area. They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies, or even evidence that the ground had ever been disturbed. In addition, Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes." CONTINUED


    (4) "Was there Really a Holocaust?"
    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm

    EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED



    (5) "JEWISH POPULATION NUMBERS IN 1933 AND 1948."
    https://rafzen.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/jewish-population-numbers-in-1933-and-1948/

    EXCERPTS "In other words, according to the World Almanac the world population of Jews increased (!) between 1933 and 1948 from 15,315,000 to 15,753,000. If the German government under Adolf Hitler had – as alleged – murdered six million Jews those losses should have been reflected in the Jewish population numbers quoted in the World Almanac.

    A Factual Appraisal Of The ‘Holocaust’ By The Red Cross

    The Jews And The Concentration Camps: No Evidence Of Genocide

    Not only did large numbers of the three million or so European Jews avoid internment altogether, but the emigration of Jews continued throughout the war, generally by way of Hungary, Rumania and Turkey." CONTINUED
     
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    Of course I think it's important to figure out how they managed to make people think that six million people died in gas chambers and other stuff. I'm just saying that the physical evidence has already proven that there were no gas chambers. These issues such as the six million figure, etc aren't about whether or not there were gassings. They're about how they pulled off the scam. They're not about whether there was a scam.
     
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    This is science. Early figures should generally be viewed as provisional results. The body count was refined more and more. Besides that, one cannot assume that much will change in the number of victims today, ~ 80 years after the Holocaust. 1.1 million is a pretty accurate value.

    Btw, Hoess estimated 2.5 million.
     
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    This is exactly the reason why I call you a Holocaust denier. You don't have to worry about that. It's not slander, it's simply the fact that someone who denies the Nazi's will to exterminate Jews is a Holocaust denier.

    ... Except for the last point. Most Germans indeed didn't know that their criminal government planned and committed genocide on the Jews. They feared and hated Jews because Nazi propaganda told them so. But they couldn't imagine that the "final solution of the Jewish question" simply means mass murder from the Nazi point of view.
     
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    Actually, in spite of the enormous influence of the world Holocaust Industry and its complicit Western MSM, most people around the world do not believe the fictional tales about "6 million Jews killed", homicidal gas chambers, a genocidal German agenda etc

    According to an ADL study(1), only about 1/3 of the people who have heard about THE Holocaust® actually believe the standard holocaust narrative. That means that about 2/3 of the world's people who know about the holocaust do not believe the profitable, slanderous and grisly lies relentlessly cranked out by Hollywood, the Holocaust Industry and Western MSM.

    You asked about "how they pulled off the scam" but first it's important to determine who "they" are and what exactly the "scam" is.

    The "they" is generally who Norman Finkelstein characterized as "The Holocaust Industry" which includes a glut of ruthless and corrupt extortionists(2),(3), The World Jewish Restitution Organization and its Claims Conference as well as Hollywood and residual Allied propaganda perpetrators.

    "They" have used their significant influence to criminalize free speech, honest examination and open discussion about the holocaust in about 16 "democracies" just as they have murdered, beaten, fire bombed and persecuted citizens and organizations who tell the truth about the holocaust because the holocaust story simply cannot withstand even casual, common sense examination.

    "They" have had the most success in brainwashing gullible Westerners because Allied WW 2 propaganda agencies and complicit Hollywood movie moguls were already in place and practicing disinformation long before WW 2's end.

    Western audiences had already been weaned on deliberate lies about human skin pocketbooks, shrunken heads, human fat soap and homicidal steam, electrocution and gas chambers featured in Billy Wilder's "documentary", "Death Mills" long before grisly holocaust theme parks began to litter the planet.

    The "scam" is, of course, the very profitable holocaust story itself that the Holocaust Industry has ensured is poured into the heads of impressionable schoolchildren at a very young age(4). The same slanderous, anti German disinformation campaign continues throughout one's life thanks to the creative Hollywood movie moguls that saturate MSM with stock holocaust propaganda and even Holo-Porn(5) for those still not titillated by the usual holocaustian hogwash.

    Perhaps the most compelling indication that the standard holocaust narrative is false is the desperate need by the Holocaust Industry to silence those who refute it through "Holocaust Denial Laws" and acts of criminal thuggery.
    If nothing else, it is critical to remember that the truth welcomes honest examination and open discussion but a lie can only survive under the protection of draconian censorship laws.



    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED


    (2) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED



    (3) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


    (4) "On Remembrance Day, US House overwhelmingly passes Holocaust education bill"
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/on-re...erwhelmingly-passes-holocaust-education-bill/

    EXCERPT "The legislation was widely supported by the organized American Jewish community.

    “We are pleased that the House has taken action today, on International Holocaust Remembrance Day, to ensure that the lessons of the Holocaust will be passed from one generation to the next,” said Jonathan Greenblatt, head of the Anti-Defamation League.

    “We look forward to this law’s swift passage and to working closely with teachers and districts across the country to ensure that Holocaust education is uniform and consistent across the country.”CONTINUED


    (5) "Israel's Nazi-porn problem"
    https://www.salon.com/2008/04/11/stalags/


    EXCERPT " Yet the newsstands in the Tel Aviv bus station sold racks of semi-pornographic pulp novels known as "Stalags," whose utterly implausible, Penthouse Forum-meets-Marquis de Sade plots ventured into the most forbidden terrain imaginable. Stalags all followed essentially the same formula: An American or British World War II pilot (generally not Jewish) is shot down behind enemy lines, where he is imprisoned, tortured and raped by an entire phalanx of sadistic, voluptuous female SS officers. His body violated but his spirit unbroken, the plucky Yank or Brit escapes in the end to rape and murder his captors." CONTINUED


    (6) “Dozens & Dozens of the Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
    http://wolfgangrudolf.blogspot.com/2016/12/dozens-dozens-of-most-outrageous-tales.html

    EXCERPTS:
    • Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

    • William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

    • Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

    • Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

    • Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

    • Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED


     
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    Of course. That's what I meant when I said "etc". I meant all the details besides the gassing issue.

    One tactic that paid sophists use on forums is to bury the important proof to reduce the number of viewers who see it. You're doing the right thing when you repost that info.

    When I start a thread on a conspiracy theory, I put all the important proof on page #1 or even in post #1 if possible. That way the sophists who work the forums can't bury it.

    If I see a new thread supporting the official narrative of a lie (such as this one), I put a summary of the alternative version on page #1 if I see it in time. That's all it really takes to neutralize it. It's also good to start a discussion on some of the clearest proof of a theory so that the sophists have to say some really lame things to maintain their positions. If that is done on the first page, it doesn't really matter what happens after that. That's what I see anyway.
     
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    There's nothing that is in any way scientific about the way the Holocaust Industry calculates its number of Jewish deaths.

    It starts by postulating that the mythical, Kabalistic number of about "6 million Jews" that has been cited at least 167 times long before WW 2 were sacrificed and then work backwards so that the total number of deaths in each camp adds up to about 6 million. That's not science, that's a deliberate and premeditated attempt to deceive poorly informed gullible rubes and extort $ Billions.

    According to the captured Auschwitz ledger, only enough coal / coke was delivered to Auschwitz to cremate about 70,000 people and even then, bones and teeth would remain after cremation. (1)
    The Auschwitz Death Ledger that was captured by the Communists in January of 1945 shows that 68,864 people died (2) of all causes as of December 1943. It's simply not physically possible that over one million people could have been killed or died at Auschwitz from January 1944 to January of 1945 when Auschwitz was "liberated" by Stalin's army of Communist rapists (3) who even raped Auschwitz's inmates.

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    There is absolutely no hard evidence to support this impossible falsehood starting with the absence of human remains for that many people.
    First of all, there was only enough fuel (coal/coke) to cremate about 70,000 people. Secondly, the only other fuel source was wood but the surrounding woods contained only green wood which from my experience will not burn and air reconnaissance shows no indication of deforestation.

    I assume you've sat least Googled "Auschwitz mass graves" and found nothing but a "mass grave" containing only 12 skulls near the Sola river. All of the MSM holocaustian web sites I've seen omit the fact that cremations and attempting to burn bodies by pyres would still leave skeletal remains which simply are not there.

    Since there are so few skeletal remains at Auschwitz, you did what mainstream holocaust authorities do all the time, simply fabricate a complete falsehood to avoid facing the truth that nowhere near 1.1 people died at Auschwitz.

    Did you really think that you would deceive anyone by making up a story about bone grinding "pestles"?

    When you find that you have to fabricate falsehoods to support what you believe, it's time to wonder about the overall truthfulness of what you have chosen to believe.


    (1) "9 Things About Cremation"
    https://www.elementalnw.com/2014/05/26/9-things-cremation/

    EXCERPT "2. You don’t get ash back. What’s really returned to you is the person’s skeleton. Once you burn off all the water, soft tissue, organs, skin, hair, cremation container/casket, etc., what you’re left with is bone."
    CONTINUED



    (2) “Deaths at Auschwitz, 1942”
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.info/decrypts/deaths_at_auschwitz_1942_v3.pdf

    EXCERPT “More Catholics than Jews died at Auschwitz. That is the plain testimony of these Death Books.

    It has been averred that ‘Up to 175,000’ Jews were deported to Auschwitz by the end of 1942 . That is impossibly high, because less than forty percent of all inmates were Jewish: a figure of fifty or sixty thousand would be more reasonable. Likewise Mr Jan van Pelt averred that ‘In 1942, two hundred thousand Jews were gassed in buildings 1 and 2. There cannot have been anything like such numbers arriving: and the Death Books have around onethirtieth that number of Jews die in that year! These texts tend to claim that huge numbers of Jews arrived without being registered (and were gassed right away), however we would rather stick to documented data.

    Grand Total: 68,864 deaths” CONTINUED


    (3) “Raped by their saviours: How the survivors of Auschwitz escaped one nightmare only to face another unimaginable ordeal”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...aped-nightmare-faced-unimaginable-ordeal.html

    EXCERPT “The exact number of sexual attacks perpetrated by Soviet soldiers as they advanced through Germany, and then in the immediate aftermath of the war, will never be known, but the figure is certainly in the hundreds of thousands if not millions.

    The revelation that women who had already endured so much mistreatment in camps such as Auschwitz were then subsequently raped by their liberators adds a grotesque level of nausea to the story that did not exist before.” CONTINUED

     
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    Thank you,

    I always assume that other people who have not posted comments on this thread will read my comments so that's why I post the sources I use with each new comment. At the same time, I make every effort to keep the discussion civil.

    As far as "tactics" go, I feel that if you simply tell the truth and support your facts, you don't need any rhetorical devices to persuade people other than civility.

    You too have probably noticed that, from time to time, a few holocaustians have made a few comments and then run off. These holocaustians, those who have been brainwashed into believing indefensible nonsense, will jump in for a few Posts, get frustrated when their myths are exposed as indefensible, start name calling (anti Semite, "holocaust denier" etc) and then run away.

    @Dutch, for example recently demonstrated that he couldn't defend the standard holocaust narrative, referred to me as an "anti Semite" and ran away. When asked to show where I've written anything "anti Semitic", he still has been entirely unable to do so. Therefore, he has simply exemplified that the 2 sole rhetorical tools of a holocaustian are name calling and evasion.

    Re:
    There have been several examples of this throughout this lengthy thread but the most recent example of "lame things" has been the bone crushing "pestles" @pitbull claimed were used to destroy the skeletal remains of about 1.1 million people at Auschwitz.

    As I suggested to him, when you find yourself having to make up outrageous things to defend your beliefs, it's time to look more closely at what you believe and why you believe it.
     
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    I still maintain that the only people who are really holocaust deniers are those who believe that nothing happened to Jews in Europe in the WW 2 era.

    The term itself, is a meaningless and fraudulent misnomer and is the same as claiming that someone is a "Christmas denier" just because they don't believe that Santa Claus doesn't come down chimneys bringing presents around the world.
    Both the Santa Claus story and the standard holocaust story are physically impossible.

    I agree and have shown that some Jews were persecuted, some Jews were actually members of the National Socialist Party, some Jews fought in Germany's war against Communism and some Jews are, today, considered collaborators.(1)

    I have repeatedly shown that there never was a German genocidal agenda to destroy Europe's Jews(2).

    If there was a German genocidal agenda, why are you and anyone else entirely unable to produce any evidence at all that it exists? If it did exist, there would be a paper trail like in Stalin's Russia.

    Why were Jews allowed to be members of the N.S. party & German military if Hitler etc wanted all Jews dead?

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    The German people didn't now that there was a genocide going on because it simply was not happening. Yes, there were executions by shooting and hanging that were recorded but there were no mass gassings mentioned in any document or any radio transmission. The evidence simply isn't there. The Western Allies even admitted that it was part of a propaganda campaign (3) and the only "evidence" are a few stories that contradict each other.

    Even Auschwitz's last camp commander, Richard Baer, denied the existence of homicidal gas chambers.
    The only "gas chambers" were for disinfecting old blankets, clothes, mattresses etc.

    Finally, you still can't explain why the skeletal remains of 1.1 million people at Auschwitz simply do not exist when real mass graves are plentiful in Stalin's Russia and other places where there were real genocides.



    (1) "Top 10 Nazi Collaborators Who Were Jews"
    https://listverse.com/2017/01/03/top-10-nazi-collaborators-who-were-jews/

    EXCERPT "When we think of the Holocaust, we often imagine that the Germans were solely responsible for the identification and deportation of Jews and others to the death camps. The truth, however, is that a number of Jews worked under the Nazis and helped to identify thousands of their fellow men for deportation to the death camps.

    The Nazi collaborators on this list either volunteered to help the Nazis or were forced to trade the lives of hundreds or thousands of their fellow Jews for their own lives and the lives of their families. Greed, self-preservation, and hate are the main reasons for the actions these individuals took." CONTINUED


    (2) “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”

    - Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190


    (3) “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.
     
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    Here's an old post of mine.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-94#post-1072776254

    I can usually tell a brainwashed American in denial from a paid sophist. When a brainwashed American is soundly trounced when debating an issue, he or she usually slinks away. When a paid sophist is soundly trounced, he stays around and tries to muddy the waters and eventually bury the part of the debate where he's soundly trounced. Then, he goes on as if nothing had happened.
     
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    While I agree with the debating tactics you describe, I don't know if we have any "paid sophists" hawking the holocaust story but I wouldn't be surprised if they are since Israel has its army of paid, trained and scripted Hasbara trolls.(1) I think that it would be naive to think that these same Hasbara trolls who are trained in editing Wikipedia only focus on the Israel - Palestinian "conflict".

    Since the holocaust story is very much Israel's raison d'etre, it is very much in the interest of modern day Israelis to keep the myths alive and the extorted cash coming in.





    (1) "How Israel and its partisans work to censor the Internet"
    https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-partisans-work-censor-internet/

    EXCERPT "As it turns out, Israel and Israeli institutions employ armies of Internet warriors—from Israeli soldiers to students—to spread propaganda online and try to get content banned that Israel doesn’t want seen.

    Israel and partisans of Israel have long had a significant presence on the Internet, working to promote the Israel narrative and block facts about Palestine, the Israel lobby, and other subject matter they wish covered up.

    In addition to these, however, a number of orchestrated, often well-funded projects sponsored by the Israeli government and others have come to light. These projects work to place pro-Israel content throughout the Internet, and to remove information Israel doesn’t wish people to know.

    Under this program, Israeli students are paid $2,000 to work five hours per week to “lead the battle against hostile websites.”

    Campaign to infiltrate Wikipedia

    CAMERA called for volunteers to secretly work on editing Wikipedia entries. It emphasized the importance of keeping the project secret. Volunteers were schooled in ways to elude detection. After they signed up as editors, they were to “avoid editing Israel-related articles for a short period of time.”CONTINUED
     
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    There are some forums on which there are only posters who back the official story of things. The opposition ends up getting banned and all the discussions are between pro-official story posters.

    Here's an example of one.
    https://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?board=7.0

    I think they were created by public-relations firms. I would bet that most of the posters on forums such as that one work directly for the PR firm that started it. They all know they're backing a false narrative and they don't even believe their own arguments.
     

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