About Trumps withdrawl of the US from the Paris Climate Agreement

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  1. Media_Truth

    Media_Truth Well-Known Member

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    Costs of trillions? Please provide link. Here's a link that talks about the costs of not doing anything, but does not assign a dollar figure.

    http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2017/05/31/economic-cost-paris-agreement

    "You can separate the effects of doing something to reduce greenhouse gas emissions — and that's what we've modeled — from the effects of pulling out of the agreement. Because there's the option of staying in the agreement and not actually doing anything, which is one of the other options the Trump administration was considering. And one of the problems we have, we're much better at modeling the cost of doing something to reduce emissions than we are modeling the cost of doing nothing. We don't know very well how other countries are gonna react. If other countries react by doing less to fight climate change, that has very real costs. That unchecked climate change could have very serious costs for the U.S. economy. But knowing exactly how big that is is really hard.

    I think the bottom line is that if you don't believe in the AGW studies by the IPCC, that are backed by 98% of climatologists, then you are perfectly justified in questioning any cost. Otherwise, I think you need to do a lot more research on the cost to the US. My guess is, that the New Zealand study that you cite, has been called into serious question.
     
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    America is made great by understanding what science says. And the above is a complete misunderstanding.
     
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    Please do some critical thinking and homework on the subject.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member

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    Of course. I offer an educated study, with an analysis, and you offer rhetoric, with no backing whatsoever. I'd say "nice try", but it wasn't even that.
     
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    You can find an "educated study" showing any conclusion that you desire.
     
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    But you offer nothing.
     
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    This has been discussed continuously. All it takes is initiative and curiosity.
     
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    Blinders only work when they're not reflecting errors in judgement.
     
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    To LB - name one person who has been proven to die prematurely.
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Senseless comment.

    Moving right along ...
     
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    Who is 'Donald Dork?' Never heard of him.
     
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    Is this your standard immature answer to every environmental issue? Trump should have appointed you as head of the EPA. This response alone, probably makes you more qualified than Pruitt.
     
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    Well the Paris accord is just a feel good paper effort that would cost Americans a lot for little to no effect.
     
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    So are you telling us the world won't lose all it's ice if man was not here? The scientist I read said it would in 5000 ~ 10000 years regardless.


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    It's a simple question. Name one person.
     
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    It's a simple question. Name one person.
     
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    You prefer the do-nothing approach? It's all a matter of the extent of the extremes that we are willing to leave to our future generations. Not 5000-10000 years away, but much sooner - at the latest 5-6 generations.
     
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    Countries around the world are working feverishly to install Renewable energy, in recognition of the Accord. AGW is a global problem that requires a global solution.
     
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    Yes, you are right - and most of the World has come to the same conclusion, which is why (of the signatories) it was ONLY the US that walked away. (Syria being preoccupied by a civil war.)

    Rather, the decision was all about Donald Dork who was showing, yet again, his consummate ignorance of the factual evidence ...
     
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    Hint: It's a pseudonym ...
     
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    That was happening anyway. You don't know AGW is a global problem other than alarmist wackos. There is only political agreement on that, not scientific.
     
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    Yes! There are companies all over Europe waking up to the fact that the technology is FINALLY much cheaper! They are hiring people left and right, for instance, to install photo-voltaic panels.

    It is actually creating jobs. And I am sure, the laid-off miners in Kentucky/West Virginia who are NEVER EVER GOING TO WORK IN A MINE AGAIN (and thus die on average 13-years younger* than other Americans) are more than able to work in the Energy Business (by putting up photo-voltaic panels).

    We have possibly saved lives by shifting out of coal. Tell that to Donald Dork who was going "save their jobs" by allowing them to kill themselves younger in a mine ...

    *See here: Coal Mine Paradise
     
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    Alarmist wakos me arse. It's been happening in your back yard (Kentucky) for the past hundred years. Huffington Post: "Contrast the 77-year average life span of the American male with that of coal miners, who tend to lose as much as 14 years in the comparison."

    You are blind, blind, blind to the consequences of fossil-fuels upon our livespans - and it is out of sheer ignorance ...
     
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    LOL, you have no clue how toxic the green movement is. You are just never presented with it. Wouldn't be politically correct.
     

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