About Trumps withdrawl of the US from the Paris Climate Agreement

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Toxicity of the Green Movement? Wow!

    As usual, more delusional sarcasm without the slightest basis in factual evidence ...
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We were able to take the necessary precautions regarding the mining of uranium, which was a lot better than obtaining heat from coal-fired plants. But we dropped that ball subsequent to "Three Mile Island" incident in 1979.

    France went "atomic" in the 1970s, and its usage of coal-fired energy is minimal - 75% of all electricity generation is atomic today.

    The US foolishly gave up on the atom, and here is its current breakdown of source supplies of electricity (from here):
    Meaning about 65% of all electricity generation in the US is "pollutionable".

    Still, reading up on the subject, I must admit you've brought up a good-point. From How Green is Lithium (2014):
    It is therefore true that, given the magnitude of usage in terms of typically massive electric-usage, replacing hydrocarbon fuels used today (petrol/gas or diesel) implies also a "massive tradeoff" that has yet to be estimated in terms of ecological impact ...
     
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  4. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wrong. It's a simplistic question - so, you answer it ... !
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Donor

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    Like NASA, the scientific organization that puts men on the moon. They don't know anything about science, do they?

    https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

    The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century. Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA. There is no question that increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause the Earth to warm in response.

    Ice cores drawn from Greenland, Antarctica, and tropical mountain glaciers show that the Earth’s climate responds to changes in greenhouse gas levels. Ancient evidence can also be found in tree rings, ocean sediments, coral reefs, and layers of sedimentary rocks. This ancient, or paleoclimate, evidence reveals that current warming is occurring roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming.
     
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    No one has been identified because no one has died.

    If you dispute that then name one.
     
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    Actually evidence shows that CO2 responds to changes in global temperature.
     
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    Can you comprehend it is going to happen anyways, for some reason the left thinks we can control the natural variance of earth.


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    If it happens 5000-10000 years from now, like you contend, yes, I can accept that. But if we are causing it to happen in the next 50-100 years, NO, that is not acceptable.
     
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    Ahh, so Mister AFM is a more qualified scientist than those at NASA, who put men on the moon??? Or would you rather quote fossil fuel industry lobby-paid scientists, who should stick with the science of extracting black goo from underground?
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right, nobody dies.

    What else ... ?
     
  12. LafayetteBis

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    We are the cause of the problem, so we must be the solution as well.

    YOU think you can get off scot-free? Aint gonna happin like dat ...
     
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    Prove it with out a shadow of a doubt..to say 97% of scientist agree 100% is a ridiculous, propaganda statement.


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    Once again name someone who died because of climate change? I have millions of people who died because of indoor smoke inhalation , that doesn't have proper energy sources...like coal, natural gas, nuclear plants .





    Climate Change Will Not Be Dangerous for a Long Time





    Since 2013 aid agencies such as the U.S. Overseas Private Investment Corporation, the World Bank and the European Investment Bank have restricted funding for building fossil-fuel plants in Asia and Africa; that has slowed progress in bringing electricity to the one billion people who live without it and the four million who die each year from the effects of cooking over wood fires



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    It's a very simple question - name one person who has died ??

    BTW if the Obama EPA considered PM 2.5 micron particulate lethal then why did the EPA test the effects of PM 2.5 micron particulate on human beings ?? Isn't that unethical ??
     
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    So no one can be identified as having died from the causes stipulated ?? This is the kind of BS that is thrown out using the "science of epidemiology" where it does not apply. Hundreds of thousands of deaths are predicted but none can be identified.

    https://arxiv.org/abs/1502.03062
     
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    Exactly - if the purpose of the IPCC was to save human lives they would be working to install fossil fuel electrical generation plants which could provide electricity to those who are dying from the brown smudge resulting from dung fires in the south west asia section of the globe.
     
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    The solution is economic growth. Any "solution" which would significantly reduce the rate of release of CO2 globally is politically impossible.
     
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    Hey - a Gas Overconsumption Party solution.
     
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    Did you think that up all by yourself ??

    And nice to see the concern for the desperately poor people of the world. The liberal progressive global warming alarmists are all heart. :blahblah:
     
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    You are trying to refute scientific fact.

    Moving right along ...
     
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    Oh no!!! the maldives are sinking..



    http://maldivesindependent.com/busi...us57-5m-project-to-build-five-airports-129305

    Malaysian company awarded US$57.5m project to build five airports


    The government has awarded a US$57.5 million project to Malaysia’s Gryphon Energy Corporation to build five domestic airports in four atolls.

    The regional airports are to be developed on the islands of Kulhudhufushi in Haa Dhaal atoll, Funadhoo in Shaviyani atoll, Nilandhoo in Faafu atoll, and Maavarulu and Faresmaathoda in Gaaf Dhaal atoll.

    Tourism Minister Moosa Zameer told the press after the signing ceremony Tuesday morning that new regional airports will be needed when the expansion of the Velana International Airport to cater to more than seven million passengers a year is complete.



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    If not one person can be identified as having died there is no scientific fact. You don't seem to understand that predictive models are sometimes completely wrong.
     
  24. LafayetteBis

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    Right, rather than prevent deaths we should wait until they start piling up to prevent them?!?

    It is just this sort of idiocy that is behind the fact that obesity in the US is contributing to the difference in lifespan between the US and Europe of four years in favor of Europe.

    For factual evidence of that statement see here...
     
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    The error factor on the predictive models is 95% certainty. The Gas Overconsumption Party doesn't like us to talk about this.
     

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