Abraham Lincoln Abolitionist- White Supremacists?

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    The Lincoln cult is almost an American religion. It has its high priest in the form of Lincoln “authorities” and its worshipers in the thousands of fans...the Lincoln birthplace in Kentucky, the memorial in Washington, the tomb in Illinois have become national shrines visited by thousands each week.”
    -David Donald Lincoln Reconsidered


    Lincoln is theology, not historiology. He is a faith, he is a church, he is a religion, and he has his own priests and acolytes, most of whom . . . are passionately opposed to anybody telling the truth about him . . . with rare exceptions, you can’t believe what any major Lincoln scholar tells you about Abraham Lincoln and race.”
    Lerone Bennett, Jr., Forced into Glory, p. 114


    Lincoln was the most-hated president of all time during his own lifetime...The fact that he is now the most revered of all American presidents is a result of the work of generations of court historians and statist apologists who have literally rewritten American history in the same manner that the Soviets rewrote Russian history to consolidate their political power”.
    - Thomas J Dilorenzo Lincoln The Great Centralizer


    A biography of Lincoln witch told the truth about him would probley have great difficulty in finding a publisher.”
    -Historian Ira Cardiff


    In poll after poll Lincoln is regarded as our best and most beloved president. Today he is seen by both democrats and republicans as our greatest president. The republicans especially seem to almost worship Lincoln as the founder of the republican party. This I believe is because most people are taught the Lincoln of myth, that he was a strong abolitionist, a champion of racial equality, the great emancipator, the Lincoln of myth went to war to free the slaves. Lincoln saved the republic, he did not violate but upheld the constitution. The Lincoln of myth was a kind, warmhearted, caring person and a great leader who united and led America to greatness.

    So not only what is known of him is false or misleading, the many negatives are generally unknown as well. These negatives are much larger than the common public receives through government textbooks and media. So what was a very unpopular president at his time, filtered though media and government education, you get a near demi-god like president worthy of a statue in Washington, his birthday still celebrated as a national holiday, his face our money and carved into Mt Rushmore , our single greatest president, the myth of Abraham Lincoln.

    Americans have been progressive dubbed down about Lincoln thanks to the avalanche of myths, superstitions, and propaganda produced by generations of “Lincoln scholars.”
    -Thomas j Diolernzo Forward to Lincoln as he really was


    Was Lincoln a Friend of Blacks?

    No one has understood this better than the educated negroes... that Lincoln was not, above all other things, the liberator of the colored race”
    -Roy Basler The Lincoln legend 1935


    He never contemplated with any degree of substantiation the prospect of a free negro race living in the same country as a free white race.”
    -- Roy Basler Lincoln Authority


    All de slaves hate de Yankees an when de southern soldiers came late in de night all de ******s got out of de bed an holdin torches high dey march behin de soldiers, all of dem singing We'll hang Abe Lincoln on de Sour Apple Tree. yes mam, dey wuz sorry dat dey wuz freeman' dey ain't got no reason tu be glad, case dey wuz happier den dan now”
    -Alice Baugh Former slave North Carolina Slave Narratives



    Lincoln Fighter of Equality? Or White Supremacist

    I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races -- that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
    -Abraham Lincoln, Lincoln-Douglas Debate Charleston, Illinois

    I agree with Judge Douglas he [African Americans] is not my equal in many respects certainly not in color, perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowment.”
    -Abraham Lincoln 1858 Response to Supreme court Dread Scott ruling


    The Lincoln of myth is viewed as a friend to blacks and equality to all. Yet He was a white supremacist who viewed blacks as a inferior race, the inferiority of Mexicans and Indians, and the removal of natives from their lands. Lincoln rather compulsively used the N-word both in private and public, was a huge fan of "black face" minstrel shows, was famous for his racist jokes; and many of his White House appointees were shocked at his racist language. According to African American historian Lerone Bennett, Jr In his book Forced into Glory Abraham Lincoln's White Dream. Lincoln stated publicly that "America was made for the White people and not for the Negroes" he called the declaration of independence “The white man's charter of freedom” and At least twenty-one times Lincoln said publicly that he was opposed to equal rights for Blacks. He said he was against equal rights for negroes because “My own feeling will not admit this. [ negro equality]” He spoke often of “slaves as cattle.”

    Lincoln never pretended to be a racial liberal or a social innovator. He said repeatedly , in public and in private, that he believed in white supremacy”
    - Lerone Bennett JR Forced into Glory Abraham Lincolns White dream


    Free them and make them politically and socially our equals? My own feelings will not admit of this . . . . We cannot then make them equals”
    -Abraham Lincoln The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln



    He feared whites and blacks interbreeding and on June 26 1857 he was “Horrified at the thought of the mixing blood by the white and black races” saying and god has “made us separate” from the black race. Lincolns friend Ward Lamon said “In words and deeds postponed the interests of the blacks to the interest of the whites, and expressly subordinated the one to the other.” African American and former slave Fredrick Douglass at one time said Lincoln had “contempt for the negro”.

    Lincoln was not either our man or our model...in his interests, associations, thoughts and in his prejudices, he was a white man. Entirely devoted to the welfare of white men”
    -Fredrick Douglass speech given years after Lincolns Assassination.


    Lincoln In Illinois

    I tell him very frankly that I am not in favor of negro citizenship”
    -Abraham Lincoln


    I will to the very last stand by the law of this state[ Illinois], which forbids the marrying of white people with Negroes.”
    -Abraham Lincoln


    Over two decades in the state of Illinois as a lawyer and politician he never once said a word in favor of abolitionist, the abolish movement, or black rights. He never spoke out against the many unjust laws of the state that did not allow blacks to gather in large numbers, learn to read, or even play percussion instruments. In 1848 he supported the Illinois state law of not allowing any blacks to migrate to the state and not allowing blacks citizenship. Abolitionist and even a southern newspapers spoke out against the law. 1836 Tuesday Jan 5 Lincoln was among the voters 36-16 to not allow blacks the right to vote. He voted for a state law that taxed blacks without representation. On may 15 1840 Lincoln attacked Martin Van buren for his support for NY free Negroes the right to vote. In 1858 Lincoln refused to sigh a bill that would allow blacks to testify against whites in court.

    His democracy... was a white mans democracy. It did not contain negroes”
    -Oscar Sherwin


    Lincoln helped in court defend the fugitive slave law, while abolitionist in the 50's were condemning the fugitive slave laws. Between 1854-1860 Lincoln publically supported the laws fugitive slave laws 20 times. On August 28 1854 in Carrolton Illinois Lincoln even spoke “Against the repeal of the fugitive slave law”. Later in his Peoria speech he denied that he ever asked for a repeal or modification of the law. Lincoln went so far as to write letters to republicans in other states, supporting the fugitive slave law. Nathaniel Stevens said Lincoln had a “Whole hearted one might say, serene, support of the fugitive slave law”.

    Abolitionist Republicans in Davenport Iowa said Lincoln “Clogged and inbeded the wheels and movements of the revolution.” In 1848 in a speech in Massachusetts Lincoln said “I have heard you have abolitionist here. We have a few in Illinois and we shot one the other day”. [Referring to death of Elijah Lovejoy] Whitney said he “Abhorred abolitionist” Ward Lamon said he was “Steady though quietly opponent of abolitionist”. He went to great lengths to dissociate himself from the abolitionist movement of the state. Donald Riddle a authority on Lincoln said “he did not make any attempt to advocate or support anti slavery or abolitionist messages”. In 1855 Elected officials like Owen Lovejoy gave abolitionist speeches, meanwhile at the same time Lincoln was endorsing shipping free blacks to Africa. Lovejoy said he would not obey the Fugitive slave law that Lincoln had supported. 36 speeches were given while Lincoln was in Illinois about slavery, not one was by Lincoln.

    Wherin did he show himself radical?[abolitionist] What new measure did he start? where did he show progress?”
    -“Long John” Wentworth a Illinois abolitionist said of Lincoln


    Slavery will be as safe, and safer, in the union under such a president, than it can be under any president of a southern confederacy”
    -Fredrick Douglass on the election of Abraham Lincoln 1860
     
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    Lincoln the Abolitionist?

    I have said a hundred times, and I have now no inclination to take it back, that I believe there is no right, and ought to be no inclination in the people of the free States to enter into the slave States, and interfere with the question of slavery at all.”
    -Abraham Lincoln 1858


    I wish to make and to keep the distinction between the existing institution, and the extension of it, so broad, and so clear, that no honest man can misunderstand me, and no dishonest one, successfully misrepresent me.
    -Abraham Lincoln 1854


    Lincoln was never considered a abolitionist, he was against immediate abolition. He never intended to interfere with slavery where it already existed, only the extension of out into the west. He did not want the west to become “An asylum for slaves and ******s,” he also was against slavery's expansion out west so to not interfere with “free white labor.”

    "The whole nation is interested that the best use shall be made of these [new western] territories. We want them for the homes of free white people."
    -Abraham Lincoln, October 16, 1854

    It is not rather our duty to make labor more respectable by preserving all black competition, [free and slave] especially in the territories”
    -Abraham Lincoln


    Professor Holt quotes Ohio Congressman Joshua Giddings explaining: “To give the south the preponderance of political power would be itself to surrender our tariff, our internal improvements [a.k.a. corporate welfare], our distribution of proceeds of public lands . . .”
    -Micheal Holt The Fate of Their Country: Politicians, Slavery Extension, and the Coming of the Civil War quoted by Thomas j Dilorenzo


    The political and economic implication of agrarian expansion westward were alarming to certain mercantile interests in the east who red the loss of their political and economic control of an expanding America”
    -Merrill Jensen The New Nation Northeastern University Press


    The fight over the extension of slavery was not moral, but political. slave trader James De Wolf became anti slavery when he started manufacturing companies. All of a sudden he wanted internal improvements and protective tariffs. Lincoln endorsed slave owning whig Zach Taylor for president.

    Northern states opposition to the fugitive slave laws masked a much broader political agenda.”
    -Marshall Derosa redeeming American Democracy Lessons from the Confederate Constitution Pelican press 2007


    Lincoln was an abolitionist when it suited him.”
    -Dr Charles T Pace Lincoln as he Really was Shotwell Publishing Columbia South Carolina 2018


    Lincoln was said to be “quit” about the issue of slavery unlike the abolitionist in his party. When asked if he minded having abolitionist in his party Lincoln said “As long as I'm not tarred with the abolitionist brush.” Those who knew Lincoln in the white house spoke of Lincolns thoughts about abolitionist. Lincolns close friend General James Wadsworth said the welfare of the negroes “Didn't enter into his policy at all”. Donn Piatt said Lincoln “Laughed at the abolitionist as a disturbing element easily controlled”. Eli Thayer said Lincoln spoke of abolitionist “In terms of contempt and derision”. Abolitionist Sumner said of Lincoln “He does not know how to help or is not moved to help” and “I do not remember that I have had any help from him... he has no instinct or inspiration”. Missouri abolitionist John Hume said of Lincoln “The president was in constant opposition” to the abolitionist movement of Chase, Sumner, Stevens, Greeley and others. Many early historians blame Lincoln for “Ignored the greatest moral question of the time”.

    Not a abolitionist, hardly an anti slavery man”
    -Abolitionist Wendell Phillips of Abraham Lincoln


    When union general John Fremont emancipated slaves in union occupied Missouri, Lincoln recalled the orders and relived Fremont of his command. When union general David Hunter ordered general order number 11, declaring all slaves in SC/GA/FL to be “forever free” Lincoln revoked the proclamation and also ordered Hunter to disband the 1st South Carolina regiment made up of blacks hunter had enlisted. Late in 62 Lincoln supported in union held territory in VA and LA to continue slavery and allow the slave owners peacefully back into the union. In 1861 Mark Neely JR wrote “He more than once actually forced others who were trying to free slaves to cease doings”. Lincolns wife Mary, was from a slave owning family in Kentucky.

    He was opposed to slavery more because it was a public nuance than because of its injustice to the oppressed black man”
    -John Hume


    there is such a mixture of political and moral questions, with this subject of slavery that no one can tell by what motives men are influenced in their opposition”
    -Nehemiah Adams a South Side View of Slavery 1854


    Abolitionist activity was rising fast, fueled by northern capitalist and political interests needing an issue to neutralize the agrarian south”
    -Dr Charles T Pace Lincoln as he Really was Shotwell Publishing Columbia South Carolina 2018


    the agitation concerning African slavery in the South was commenced. This institution was purely sectional, belonging to the South. Antagonism to it in the North must also be sectional. The agitation would unite the South against the North, as much as it united the North against the South; but the North being the stronger section, would gain power by the agitation. Accordingly, after the overthrow of the tariff of 1828, by the resistance of South Carolina in 1833, the agitation concerning the institution of African slavery in the South was immediately commenced in the Congress of the United States. It was taken up by the Legislatures of the Northern States; and upon one pretext or another in and out of Congress, it has been pursued from that day to the fall of 1860, when it ended in the election of a President and Vice President of the United States, by a purely sectional support. The great end was at last obtained, of a united North to rule the South. The first fruit the sectional despotism thus elected produced, was the tariff lately passed by the Congress of the United States. By this tariff the protective policy is renewed in its most odious and oppressive forms, and the agricultural States are made tributaries to the manufacturing States. I....The late tariff passed by the Congress of the United States, was designed to force the Southern people, by prohibitory duties to consume the dearer manufactured commodities of the North, instead of the cheaper commodities of European nations. What is this but robbery? Does it not take from one citizen or section and give to another?... the people of the North intervened between us and our natural customers, and forced us by the use of the Federal Government — laying prohibitory duties on the production of foreign nations — to consume their productions
    -Report on the committee of foreign affairs 1861


    In 1848 as a congressmen Lincoln voted against a bill along with the entire south and pro slavery men that proposed an end to the slave trade in D.C. In 1849 Lincoln offered a compromise that was rejected. Section 4 of that compromise made clear no slave would be free [one version] until 1914. Section 5 expanded the fugitive slave law. The radical abolitionist at The Liberator editorial on July 13, 1860 Called Lincoln “The slave hound of Illinois” for his effort to expand the fugitive slave law into the district of Columbia. As Lerone Bennett JR argues in Forced into Glory Abraham Lincolns White dream. Lincoln has received the glory that abolitionist white, black, citizens, newspaper editors, churches congressmen, and pastors had worked decades for. Men who Lincolns contemporaries named as the major abolitionist men like Senator Sumner, senator Lymon Trushbull, Congressmen Stevens, Salmon Chase, Wendell Phillips etc they deserve the glory that is falsely given to Lincoln. The 37Th congress were the ones who abolished slavery in the territories and authorized black troops.

    The president is indefatigable in his efforts to save slavery”
    -Adam Gurowski August 1862


    Abraham Lincoln was not an abolitionist”
    --David Donald Lincoln Reconsidered
     
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    Abraham Lincoln the Great Emancipator? The Emancipation Proclamation

    The emancipation actually freed a negligible number of slaves. Yet Lincoln continues to live in mens mind as the emancipator of the negroes.”
    -David Donald Lincoln Reconsidered


    Never did a man achieve more fame for what he did not do and for what he never intended to do”
    - Lerone Bennett JR Forced into Glory Abraham Lincolns White dream


    To forestall a more revolutionary move against slavery...foreseeing he could not resits antislavery pressure much longer...using every weapon at his command to slow down, sidetrack or stop the emancipation flow”
    -Steven Oates With menace Towards none the Life of Abraham Lincoln


    The emancipation proclamation was given at a low point for the north near the end of 62. It was not designed to free slaves, it did not free a single slave, Lincoln himself knew it would not make the slaves free. It applied only to confederate controlled areas, not northern slave states or north controlled confederate area/states such as much of LA and VA. In fact all a confederate state had to do to not have this apply was rejoin the union , with slavery intact. The US Secretary of the state William Seward said of the emancipation proclamation “Where he could, he didn't. Where he did, he couldn't”.

    The Union government liberates the enemy’s slaves as it would the enemy’s cattle, simply to weaken them in the conflict. The principle is not that a human being cannot justly own another, but that he cannot own him unless he is loyal to the United States.”
    -London Spectator in reference to the Emancipation Proclamation


    It was only on the basis of military necessity that Abraham Lincoln was able to implement the emancipation proclamation”.
    -The untold civil war National Geographic James Robertson


    The proclamation was given by Lincoln for a few reasons, the first was as a war measure. “As a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said rebellion.” The war was lasting longer than anticipated and northern abolitionist and hard war democrats put tremendous pressure on Lincoln threatening to withhold men, material and support for the war unless Lincoln hit the south where it would hurt them, slaves. Lincoln and his cabinet were concerned a rebellion would start in the north if they did not do something towards emancipation. The proclamation would end with the war and any slave freed by it would become subject to local state laws. The document did not deal with the institution of slavery at all. Lincoln constantly wrote it was “Merely a war measure” and “Have effect only from its being a exercise of war power”. Lincolns stated “It would have no effect upon the children of the slaves born hereafter.” A second reason was To keep England and France out of the war. If the war had a abolitionist objective, that would force England and France to be neutral. Also to encourage slave revolts in the south. This was seen by some in Europe as its clear objective. To encourage slaves to rise up, kill their woman and children masters in a revolt while the men were fighting at the front, was immoral.

    Cold-blooded invitation to insurrection and butchery.”
    -Harrisburg Patriot and Union Newspaper Pennsylvania


    Lincoln said of the emancipation proclamation “I am driven to it.” Close friends said Lincoln “Abhorred” and had “reluctance” about issuing the emancipation. Nathan Stevenson said it was “Not choice” that it was issued by Lincoln, but Lincoln was pressured to do something from the abolitionist in the party such as the Governor of Massachusetts [who threatened to stop support of the war] Senator Charles Sumner of Massachusetts Representative Thaddeus Stevens etc. Charles Sumner said god and history forced Lincolns Hand. Radical governors had set up a meeting for September the 24th with a plan to withhold war support and some to call Lincoln to resign. Lincoln knowing of this meeting and the growing radical support among congress, governors and the people, issued the proclamation just two days before. Lincoln called the proclamation a “civil necessity to prevent the radicals from embarrassing the government.” In a meeting trying to sell his colonization plan to the border sates representatives, Lincoln said on July 12 “The pressure in this direction [intimidate emancipation] is still upon me, and is increasing”.

    For a length of time it had been hoped that the rebellion could be suppressed without resorting to it [emancipation] as a military measure”
    -Abraham Lincoln The collective works


    The patriots of both houses... the American people whipped MR. Lincoln into the glory of having issued the emancipation proclamation”
    -Diary of Adam Gurowski NY 1862-1866


    in 1864 he wrote an admirer [about emancipation proclamation] “I claim not to have controlled events, but confess plainly that events have controlled me.”
    -quoted in David Donald Lincoln Reconsidered


    The emancipation proclamation was actually “Regressive” in terms of abolition. On July17 1862 congress passed the second confiscation act. This act freed all rebel slaves “property” within the confederacy to be “forever free.” Later on Sep 22 1862 Lincoln sighed the preliminary emancipation nullifying the emancipation act of congress, re-enslaving slaves. It did not touch the slaves within the slave states in the union, It did not free any slave the confiscation act would not have. It was a conservative reaction to the radical abolitionist in congress.

    The proclamation had as its purpose and effect the checking of the radical [abolitionist] program”
    -Lerone Bennett JR Forced into Glory Abraham Lincolns White dream


    The D.C emancipation bill in 1862 was given to Lincoln who than held on to it for two days so a friend from KY could leave D.C with his two slaves. Lincoln regretted the intimidate emancipation of D.C slaves instead he wanted gradual release because “That now families would at once be deprived of cooks, stable boys and their protectors without any provision for them.”

    When he entered his presidency... that before his term of office would expire, he would be hailed as “The great emancipator” he would have treated the statement as equal one of his jokes”
    -John Hume The Abolitionist NY 1905



    The 13th Amendment And The 13th Amendment You Have Never Heard Of

    The original 13th amendment was called the Corwin amendment, one that Lincoln pushed to get passed. It would forever allow slavery in America and would make it unconstitutional for the federal government to abolish it.

    No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State,, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.

    In his first inaugural address Lincoln stated on the Corwin amendment

    Holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable".
    -Abraham Lincoln


    He then sent a letter to the governor of each state transmitting the approved amendment for what he hoped would be ratification and noting that his predecessor, President James Buchanan, had also endorsed it. He told New York Senator William Seward, who would become his secretary of state, to push the amendment through the U.S. Senate. He also instructed Seward to get a federal law passed that would repeal the personal liberty laws in some of the Northern states that were used by those states to nullify the federal Fugitive Slave Act, which Lincoln strongly supported.

    Lincoln’s first inaugural address, delivered on March 4, 1861, is probably the most powerful defense of slavery ever made by an American politician. In the speech Lincoln denies having any intention to interfere with Southern slavery; supports the federal Fugitive Slave Clause of the Constitution, which compelled citizens of non-slave states to capture runaway slaves; and also supported a constitutional amendment known as the Corwin Amendment that would have prohibited the federal government from ever interfering in Southern slavery, thereby enshrining it explicitly in the text of the U.S. Constitution.”
    -Thomas Dilorenzo


    Today's 13th amendment that abolishes slavery Lincoln had less to do with, This is from Spielberg's Upside-Down History: The Myth of Lincoln and the Thirteenth Amendment

    “Harvard University Professor David H. Donald, the recipient of several Pulitzer prizes for his historical writings, including a biography of Lincoln. David Donald is the preeminent Lincoln scholar of our time on page 545 of his magnus opus, Lincoln, Donald notes that Lincoln did discuss the Thirteenth Amendment with two members of Congress – James M. Ashley of Ohio and James S. Rollins of Missouri. But if he used "means of persuading congressmen to vote for the Thirteeth Amendment," the theme of the Spielberg movie, "his actions are not recorded. Conclusions about the President's role rested on gossip . . . Moreover, there is not a shred of evidence that even one Democratic member of Congress changed his vote on the Thirteenth Amendment (which had previously been defeated) because of Lincoln's actions. Donald documents that Lincoln was told that some New Jersey Democrats could possibly be persuaded to vote for the amendment "if he could persuade [Senator] Charles Sumner to drop a bill to regulate the Camden & Amboy [New Jersey] Railroad, but he declined to intervene". "One New Jersey Democrat," writes David Donald, "well known as a lobbyist for the Camden & Amboy, who had voted against the amendment in July, did abstain in the final vote, but it cannot be proved that Lincoln influenced his change". Thus, according to the foremost authority on Lincoln, there is no evidence at all that Lincoln influenced even a single vote in the U.S. House of Representatives”.Lincoln late in the war being pressured to support the 13th amendment from abolitionist within his party also supported the amendment.
     
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    Send Them Back To Africa

    "What I would most desire would be the separation of the white and black races,"
    -Abraham Lincoln Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, vol. 2, p. 521 17 July 1858


    If all earthly power were given to me...my first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia, to their own native land”
    -Abraham Lincoln 1854


    I have said that the separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation . . . . such separation must be effected by colonization” And, “Let us be brought to believe it is morally right, and . . . favorable to . . . our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime”
    -Abraham Lincoln collective works


    Lincoln allocated millions of federal dollars to be used for his African colonization plan to send the future freed slaves back to Africa. He either wanted them deported or in their own all black state. While in the White House he held a meeting with free blacks, he asked them to lead by example for future freed slaves and go to Africa. He stated to them

    "You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffers very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence.... It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated."
    -Abraham Lincoln, speech to a group of black freedmen in Washington D.C., August 1862


    As a member of the Illinois legislature Lincoln urged the legislature "to appropriate money for colonization in order to remove Negroes from the state and prevent miscegenation" 1853 Lincoln gave a speeches to the Springfield colonization society whose goal was to send blacks back to Africa. Lincoln said his colonization plan would “free slaveholders from the troublesome presence of free Negroes.” When pushing for his colonization plan [that he admitted would be difficult] he said “Where there is a will there is a way” that he would push because of a “moral sense and self interest”.

    On no other matter did he so far extend his presidential leadership...one can hardly find any subject on which Lincoln argued and pleaded more constantly than on this”
    -J.G Randall Lincoln historian


    His plan called for three major parts. Gradual emancipation, compensation, [for slave owners] and finally colonization to Africa or south America. After the emancipation proclamation Lincoln made clear deportation was connected with emancipation. His Friend Henry Whitney said there was nothing besides preserving the union, that Lincoln felt more important. Friend and bodyguard Ward Lamon said Lincoln “Zealously and persistent devised plans for the deportation of the negro.” Others said he was “persistent” “Motivated” and “wished to send the Negros away.”

    Following the preliminary proclamation, and as part of the plan. Was the deportation and colonization of the colored race”
    -Gideon Welles Diary NY 1911

    It was Lincolns opinion.... the only natural right which the negro posses witch required civil recagnision, beyond emancipation, was the right to emigrate.”
    -Harry V Jaffa crisis of the House Divided

    In 1861 Lincoln tried to pay $500 to the northern slave states for each slave to be colonized within the USA. In his first state of the union address he suggested free blacks be included in his colonization plan when he said “ It might be well to consider, too, whether the free colored people already in the United States could not, so far as individuals may desire, be included in such colonization.” On Dec 1 1862 Lincoln called for three constitutional amendments for gradual emancipation, compensation and colonization. Compensation to owners so long as they freed slaves by 1900. On Dec 31 1862 Lincoln signed a contract to send 500 American born Negroes to an island of the cost of Hati. It ended disastrous for the negroes 150 of them died, the rest were brought back to America.

    Mr Lincoln is quite a genuine Representative of American prejudiced and negro hatred and far more concerned for the preservation of slavery...Mr Lincoln is urging his colonization scheme.. shows his bigotry his pride of race and contempt for negroes”
    -Fredrick Douglass The Life and Writings of Fredrick Douglass


    What African American historian Bennett calls Lincolns “white dream” was his work as president to deport all blacks from America. Until his death Lincoln negotiated with great Britain and others to deport the would be freed slaves.

    See

    Colonization After Emancipation: Lincoln and the Movement for Black Resettlement by Phillip W. Magness
    http://www.amazon.com/Colonization-After-Emancipation-Movement-Resettlement/dp/0826219098
    Forced into Glory: Abraham Lincoln's White Dream by Lerone Bennett, Jr
    http://www.amazon.com/Forced-into-Glory-Abraham-Lincolns/dp/0874850851


    But the book Colonization After Emancipation by Phillip Magness and Sebastian Page, drawing on documents from the British and American national archives, proved that Lincoln was hard at work until his dying day plotting with Secretary of State William Seward the deportation of all the freed slaves. The documents produced in this book show Lincoln’s negotiations with European governments to purchase land in Central America and elsewhere for “colonization.” They were even counting how many ships it would take to complete the task.”
    -The Lincoln Myth: Ideological Cornerstone of the America Empire Thomas DiLorenzo


    His belief that the white and colored races could not occupy the same nation in peace”
    -Henery Whitney Life on the circuit with Lincoln 1892
     
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    Verifiable reference for any of these nonsensical claims?

    Simply making thread after thread does nothing to prove your claims.
     
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    sure, I would start with the books referenced and the references I gave. Anything specific just ask. I now it seems nonsensical, after all we are told Lincoln was half god loved the black man and was an ardent abolitionist. To find out he was a historical man with flaws just does not fit the story we are told.


    I think you might need help in how I reference it seems. So my first quote is

    The Lincoln cult is almost an American religion. It has its high priest in the form of Lincoln “authorities” and its worshipers in the thousands of fans...the Lincoln birthplace in Kentucky, the memorial in Washington, the tomb in Illinois have become national shrines visited by thousands each week.”
    -David Donald Lincoln Reconsidered


    So the source is his book.

    https://www.amazon.com/Lincoln-Reconsidered-Essays-Civil-War/dp/0375725326


    if you want the quote it comes from his book, that is the original source. See how that works?
     
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    Abraham Lincoln Abolitionist- White Supremacists?
    I found the initial postings by 1stVermont very interesting. Those took a lot of research & effort, and are fascinating when compared to the mythical Lincoln we all honor. Such a monumental historical discrepancy makes me wonder how much of the history we study & believe in for all human history is really all that accurate.

    It is noteworthy that in spite of his own racism, Lincoln actually did accomplish something of value in both his Emancipation Proclamation & the 13th Amendment. Whatever his personal feelings & motivations, his action on these did change American history & American attitudes toward blacks over time for the better. Again, regardless of Lincoln's personal attitude toward blacks in general, or the reasons for his actions, he did save the Union & eliminate slavery from our nation. He certainly deserves credit for those. :)
     
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    I think you should read post 2 and 3. Also here

    https://www.christianforums.com/thr...e-political-effects-of-the-civil-war.8093078/
     

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