Abraham Lincoln Would be a Democrat Today.

Well, nobody can doubt that Lincoln believed in the power of government and was an advocate for big government.

Looks like he's ours now.

 

Yes... you would be correct. He would be a Democrat today. States rights vs. Federal is not a new concept.


He would also be horrified at a black president.

 

Woodrow Wilson is yours too. He's the guy who segregated white soldiers from the african soldiers.

 

ROFL!

Thread win!

Such hypothetical are disturbing that someone would even attempt to re-write history.

Not Cool Daesin. Also, your thread here is not such a "Current Event".

 

Today's liberal marxist democrat party would make Lincoln vomit. He believed in freedom for all people, freedom from enslavement and freedom from government. the emancipation proclamation did not equate in any way to big government, you are either dreaming or you were the victim of revisionist history teachers.

In truth, Lincoln is much closer to today's libertarians than either of the current parties.

 

Democrats are ashamed of their own horrible history of enslaving and hating blacks, so they try to steal Republican heroes who fought evil Democrats and claim them as their own.

 

The modern republican party looks nothing like what Lincoln intended.

 

When did Lincoln advocate freedom from government?

I think that Lincoln would probably be uncomfortable as either a Republican or a Democrat but he certainly believed that big government had a place in the United States. He advocated government funds to expand canal networks and as pointed out the draft.

 

Right. Because modern Republicans are against building roads, canals and dams.

Man, you guys are so deluded.

 

Really? Actually Lincoln would be that guy too- with the first 'colored' regiments commanded by white officers.

Woodrow Wilson segregated the Navy.

And Harry Truman is ours too- he issued Executive Order 9981 ordering the integration of all the services.

It isn't always black and white....lol

 

I can't help it if Republicans can't decide when they like Big Government and when they prefer Capitalism.

Lincoln believed in internal improvements funded by the government like canals and railroads, high protective tariffs and a national bank.

 

Lincoln intended to ship black people out of the country. The republican party most resembles what he intended.

 

The Republican Party has consistently held that there should be no discrimination in the law on account of race. That position has remained unchanged since the passage of the 14th and 15th Amendments.

The Democrats, on the other hand, have always played "divide and conquer" -- stirring up one race to hate another in order to capture votes and win elections.

Between the end of the Civil War and 1965, the Democrats stirred up white people to hate blacks.

After 1965, the Democrats have stirred up black people to hate whites.

But its the same race-bating strategy of "us vs. them."

And its just as evil either way.

 

JFK would be a communist-hating conservative ruined by the liberal media for having affairs.

 

Don't be ridiculous. We want the government to give us roads and missiles and that's about it.

 

http://www.founding.com/founders_library/pageID.2279/default.asp

 

You can have Lincoln.

 

Ctrl- with apologies- I found that hard to read- and I think context is important too- since this was 1858 and i think Lincoln's attitude evolved during the Civil War:

Charleston, September 18, 1858

Mr. Lincoln’s Speech

While I was at the hotel to-day, an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing a perfect equality between the negroes and white people. While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.

And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. My understanding is that I can just let her alone.

I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes. I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white men. I recollect of but one distinguished instance that I ever heard of so frequently as to be entirely satisfied of its correctness—and that is the case of Judge Douglas's old friend Col. Richard M. Johnson. I will also add to the remarks I have made (for I am not going to enter at large upon this subject), that I have never had the least apprehension that I or my friends would marry negroes if there was no law to keep them from it; but as Judge Douglas and his friends seem to be in great apprehension that they might, if there were no law to keep them from it, I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes.

I will add one further word, which is this: that I do not understand that there is any place where an alteration of the social and political relations of the negro and the white man can be made except in the State Legislature—not in the Congress of the United States—and as I do not really apprehend the approach of any such thing myself, and as Judge Douglas seems to be in constant horror that some such danger is rapidly approaching, I propose as the best means to prevent it that the Judge be kept at home and placed in the State Legislature to fight the measure. I do not propose dwelling longer at this time on this subject. -Abraham Lincoln

 

You know, if Lincoln was a Democrat, he would have just kept the slaves on the plantations and built polling booths out in the fields.

 

I detect a note of sarcasm in Mr. Lincoln's statement. He is mocking people who insist that there should be a law making sure that whites not marry negroes, saying that they are in apprehension that they might marry a negro if there wasn't a law against it.

 

How is this a current event? I'm calling on the moderators to nuilify this thread.

 

Speech on Reconstruction, April 11, 1865 (last public address)

Some twelve thousand voters in the heretofore slave-state of Louisiana have sworn allegiance to the Union, assumed to be the rightful political power of the State, held elections, organized a State government, adopted a free-state constitution, giving the benefit of public schools equally to black and white, and empowering the Legislature to confer the elective franchise upon the colored man.

Their Legislature has already voted to ratify the constitutional amendment recently passed by Congress, abolishing slavery throughout the nation. These twelve thousand persons are thus fully committed to the Union, and to perpetual freedom in the state--committed to the very things, and nearly all the things the nation wants--and they ask the nations recognition and it's assistance to make good their committal.

Now, if we reject, and spurn them, we do our utmost to disorganize and disperse them. We in effect say to the white men "You are worthless, or worse--we will neither help you, nor be helped by you." To the blacks we say "This cup of liberty which these, your old masters, hold to your lips, we will dash from you, and leave you to the chances of gathering the spilled and scattered contents in some vague and undefined when, where, and how." If this course, discouraging and paralyzing both white and black, has any tendency to bring Louisiana into proper practical relations with the Union, I have, so far, been unable to perceive it.

If, on the contrary, we recognize, and sustain the new government of Louisiana the converse of all this is made true. We encourage the hearts, and nerve the arms of the twelve thousand to adhere to their work, and argue for it, and proselyte for it, and fight for it, and feed it, and grow it, and ripen it to a complete success. The colored man too, in seeing all united for him, is inspired with vigilance, and energy, and daring, to the same end. Grant that he desires the elective franchise, will he not attain it sooner by saving the already advanced steps toward it, than by running backward over them? Concede that the new government of Louisiana is only to what it should be as the egg is to the fowl, we shall sooner have the fowl by hatching the egg than by smashing it?

 

Well, Lincoln suspended habeas corpus so are democrats claiming that as a WIN!

 

Is censorship a Conservative thing?

The thread is a good thread but belongs in Politics, not in Current Events.

 

It doesn't belong anywhere. It is just another pathetic Democrat attempt to erase your shameful history of slavery and terrorism against black people. It's not going to work. God will be your judge, and he is never fooled.