Abstinence trends on Twitter in wake of Roe v. Wade ruling (nypost.com)

If she chooses to be a nun she must also accept the consequences of that decision.

Just like choosing to have unprotected sex has consequences that must be accepted.

A return to more thoughtful process on who you copulate with leads us towards freedom, not away from it.

 

It is ridiculous to suggest abstinence as a policy, it has never worked.

 

Do you think it will, somehow, make it better if I can still gain access to abortion but other women in the US can't? This is an attack on WOMEN'S rights - as one, I feel it strongly.

 

Once again, WTF?

How can a personal decision made in a private moment, be a 'policy'? What in heck are you saying?

 

It just wouldn't really be accurate to post:

if your "rights" aren't actually being taken away. You're free to feel strongly about it though, and vote your conscience on the matter, as will voters in the various 50 states, on both sides of the issue.

And for that matter, I don't really see women in the US losing access to abortion because of this. Some of them just have to drive a little farther now.

 

It wasn't us suggesting it. It was the abortion enthusiasts.

 

What is the term used for those that have sex in exchange for something?

 

I wasn't talking about a person choosing, which seems to contradictory towards your position on abortion.

 

It was the abortion enthusiasts.
Tell yourself whatever you need to.

 

Of course not. They are going to do some lesbian porn on Only Fans with their neighbors to get them through safely.

 

That is a long way of saying you made it up. But I’ll accept it

 

Good. That is the point. There is a great hope on the right that this policy will incentivize leftists to leave their state. It seems to be working because leftists on twitter are talking about leaving their Red states. I am completely ambivalent about abortion but if it results in a great sorting, I would be ecstatic. Remove power from the federal government and give it to the states and let people live with people who share their values. Nothing more American than that.

 

OK, now you are flying out of the established, safe air space. But I've gotta ask: what do we see, just across our southern border?

 

Human smuggling and the trafficking of women and children who are raped and molested numerous times before they arrive at our border. You didn’t know that? I guess it’s not something CNN would report on. I used to live in El Paso and now live about 40 miles from the border. What’s local news here is not seen by you.

 

Well it is my understanding, that Mexico is a good deal more lawless, than the U.S. The reasons for this, include widespread poverty, and under-resourced government and police, to reign in all the criminality, particularly that, related to its country's powerful drug cartels. It is worth noting that the U.S. also needed wage an extended fight, in subduing our own, open criminal enterprises.

Anytime lawlessness does ensue, in a place, it will always be the most vulnerable, who will be the most victimized: this is simply logical. The "most vulnerable," have always been those same groups who are supposed to be given priority, on a sinking ship: women & children.

So the fact that women & children are exploited by Mexico's criminal element, is not an indictment of Mexican culture's view of women, as your post suggests.

 

That vulnerable women in Mexico are not given priority on that sinking ship shows where they stand in Mexican culture. Pick the worst part of the USA and tell me if they treat women better or worse than the Mexican women I’m referring to.

Having lived in El Paso for two years and now Las Cruces for eight, I can say Mexican women inherently know their place and role and they learn it at home growing up. They’re not fully Americanized and the culture here, in the USA, by Mexican American citizens, is that women are inferior to men. It drives my wife nuts, she’s the HR manager for a company that does work across NM and TX and she has long given up on fighting that culture. If the local Mexican women want to accept being second class then who is she to argue?

 

No time for a thorough reply now but, I would imagine that some could read things like that, and get the idea that you are, blaming the women.

(That will, most times, lose you the feminist support, making yourself more vulnerable to the "R" charge-- racist, as you'd earlier said, not Republican). Perhaps, though, the two terms will one day, be thought of as being synonymous-- no offense; just speculating.

 

I don't think it's the women at fault here but rather the machismo in the culture. Now, my school is 70% Hispanic and I see a "sea change" in the Hispanic girls so - at least in the US - looks like that's changing. I don't see them letting their future husbands/boyfriends getting away with stiff that mighta happened with other generations. Here's something I posted awhile back about something that happened twenty years ago -

By the way, Mrs. Wolfe - I think she's still a bit annoyed about all that. I try not to bring it up too often, although my son sometimes does. I shut him up by saying every time he mentions it, he's gonna pay the next bill!

 

Yep. Vasectomy.

 

Yep. Vasectomy.

 

As if I were chomping at the bit to lay with prog women...

 

Sure, but only the woman herself should have the right to define her own "favorable conditions" for sex.

Of course men should have the same right, for themselves.

I know what kind of "favorable conditions" you're referring to, and no, it doesn't work like this. Not only because the sex drive is peaking when "conditions" aren't favorable, but also due to the irregularity of the "condition" over time. Women are not machines.

 

For the 94081744737429807565601th time: protected sex is not 100% safe.

Getting out of the house in the morning has consequences. Let's all stay put in our houses, then nothing bad will happen, right?

The consequences of our actions have a name: life. You're telling women to put their lives on hold to avoid consequences. Sounds kind of Taliban-ish to me.

Freedom means being able to make your own mistakes and learn from experience.

 

Sure and some lessons have long and unpleasant consequences.
Cry me a river.

 

Women are not victims neither. They need to take personal responsibility for their actions.