Abu Mazen: Pre-67 Land Also "Occupied"

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes, but its not neccessaery that the state encompass ALL of the land of israel, just some of it.
     
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    Who ever said all? After the Brits gave Trans-Jordan to the Hashemite family, then it cant be fulfilled that all of the Land of Israel will be part of the the country for the Jewish people.

    The aspiration to the greater Israel could not be fulfilled. Never.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    any jewish state, between the river and the sea, fulfills the goal of Zionism.

    it doesn't need the Negev or Galilee regions, and Zionism is still fulfilled.
     
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    I never talked with you what would fulfill it, I only stated that the use of the ter "Zionist", like it is a bad word, it just no true.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    right-wing racist Zionists, who say there can be no Arab state in the west bank, and israel has the right to limit political rights for non-Jews, make "Zionist" a bad word
     
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    There cant be an Arab state in the West Bank according to the international law, since there is no law that legitimize such state in the West Bank. The internationa law legitimizes a soverignthy of the national home of the Jewish people, since the West Bank was part of the territory that the world refer as "Palestine".
     
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    sure there can, according to international law
     
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    Please re-read my whole previous comment.
     
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    Ehud Barack, Ehud Omert, both offered the Palestinians statehood in the West Bank.
     
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    Offers are not laws.
     
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    peace treaties have the force of law.

    if the Palestinians accepted Olmert's offer, they would have 95% of the West Bank as their state.

    and this would be legal under international law
     
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    "Would", "if".
    Since the Arabs didnt accepted such offers from Olmert nor Barak, then their offers are not laws. Hecne, there is no law for such state in the Land of Israel.
     
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    the state of Israel is recognized because of UNGA 181, which calls for an Arab state in Palestine.
     
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    Let us suppose that this outburst has some validity...
    When the so called Palestinian consider themselves the descendants of the Canaanite and later opted for the title of descendants of the Philistine... do they also get your attention and blessings???
     
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    it was bull(*)(*)(*)(*) and I giggled at the idiocy

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    if UNGA 181 is null & void, then so is the UN's recognition of Israel.
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    The UN recognition for a state for the Jews was not only in 181, but even erlier.
     
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    UN only recognized Israel because of UNGA 181. That's why they referenced UNGA 181 in the resolution recognizing Israel as a member state.
     
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    When in Resolution 273 of the UN General Assembly, that accepted Israel as a UN member, it indeed stated that it is recalling on Resolution 181, and which it was implemented, but of course Resolution 181 was never been implemented, because if it was, then an Arab state needed to be exist today in the Land of Israel, and that Israel will have totally different borders, and since it is not the case, then Resolution 181 was not been implemented. (such resolution is not even valid).
    But if we will take a look on Resolution 273, we will read the following:
    Which means, that according to the UNSC judgment, Israel is a peace-loving State and is able and willn to fulfill te obligations of the UN Charter, and because of that the UNSC recommended the UNGA to admit Israel to membership in the UN.

    Also Resolution 69 of the UNSC said the same thing:
    Resolution 69 (March 4th, 1949) was made two months before Resolution 273.

    Source'1: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/unga273.html
    Source'2: http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/RES/69(1949)
     
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    Baloney...
    Was a Zionist?
    Well Zionism is not a derogatory word, it is the name of a movement that its sole aim/goal and purpose is the return of Jewish exiles to their ancient Patrimony!!!
     
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    Oh please, "Israeli academia" is such an all encompassing term, much like the "sources at" or "some say" beloved of tabloid journalists. Care to provide examples of these so called left wing academics who worship Ze'ev Vilnaj?

    Supporting nation building can be a noble calling, but not, in my view, at the cost of slaughter and disposession, followed by continuing brutal oppression of indigenous people, especially when it's just based on some ancient fantasy novel, written by a bunch of religious fanatics.
     
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    Exactly!!!
    But apparently it fizzled because of the devilish intent of the Arabs who wanted to get more and then beat the Jews out of the rest of the territory... Apparently Israel reports to a <higher authority> while Neturei Karta reports to the lowest of the low.
     
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    Zionism has become a derogatory word, given the movement's sole aim and purpose was the disposession, expulsion and murder of the indigenous natives to enable a bunch of European followers of a nationalist fanatic to take over land they never had title to in the first place.
     
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    Not true, not real...
    There was <NEVER> in the history of the world an independent Palestinian State!!!

    So what you maliciously state above turns into Swiss cheese <full of holes>...

    The European Jews, in fact World Jewry was deliberately scattered by Vespasian and emperor Hadrian... and these so called European Jews are the remnants that as sons and daughters of Jewish exiles demanding to be repatriated to their own ancient home.
     
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    Not surprising since all occupied Muslim lands would include Spain.

    ISIS map.

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