Abu Mazen: Pre-67 Land Also "Occupied"

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  1. stuntman

    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    Right, and since Eugene Rostow is been still referred as an international law expert, then what I said about Feiglin has nothing to do with Rostow.

    The title of MK/minister is a title that one day you can have and the second one is lost. Like Feiglin was in the past an MK, but today he is not a MK nor a minister, hence it means that Garu cant rely on what Feiglin said and to cast in on the current Israeli governemnt/Knesset.
    In the case of Rostow, the title he poses is not something that one day can be all disappear, but it keeps on until the man dead, and even after his dead.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yeah, but according to YOUR logic, Rostow's views on international affairs were outweighed by folks still in govt. and who sat on international courts.
     
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    It is not just Rostow's views, but it is what the law says. I showed it to you numerous of times by you keep ignoring it.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the law, says its illegal to confiscate private land in Occupied Territory.

    but you ignore this
     
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    stuntman Well-Known Member

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    As I already told you, if the Arabs have problem with where the settlements with the claims that they were built on Arab private lands, they can go the court, present their evidences for their claims and let the judges decide, but since that didnt happen (exapt of only few oceasions), then I dont see the problem.
     
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    Still avoiding the question, I see, considered by whom as, "the greatest researcher of the Land of Israel and it's antiques."? Herman Wirth was considered the greatest researcher of pre-historic German lands and antiquities, but that was by Heinrich Himmler and his cronies, so that doesn't do a lot for his general reputation, does it? Hence my question.


    Think you are confusing Spain's Jewish community after the "Reconquista". After the Arab conquest of Palestine, the Christian and Jewish communities were allowed to go on as before, so long as they paid "tribute" to their new overlords. It was in the Arab's interests to keep apart and not gain too many converts as this would reduce the "tax revenue". It took 2 centuries before the population abandoned Christianity and Judaism to convert to Islam.


    Really? Who and where exactly?

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    So did everyone else at the time, so what?
     
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    Thanks for the links, interesting. Sea level 60' lower? That does pose some interesting questions...
     
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    The people that refer Ze'ev Vilnai as such were also in the committee that decided who will get the Israel Prize in 1982 on his works about the Land of Israel and it's antiques. Unfortunately after searching for their names that were in the committee in 1982 in the website of the Israel Prize that located in the website of the Ministery of Education.
    In the site, you can find the names of the judges from the year 2000, but before that (which means 1999 and erlier) there is no information about the judges.

    Still does not contradict that Ze'ev Vilnay is one of the greatest researcher of the Land of Israel and it's antiques.
    Israel is not like the Nazis. (referring to your claim about Heinrich Himmler)

    I'm not confusing.
    Muhammad considered the Jews at the begining as a group that cant be touched, and he had alot of respect to them, but that maintained until Muhammad tried to convert the to Islam and and met with rejection. At that time he started to talk about that the Jews must be persecuted until they will take upon themselves the Jizya and to convert to Islam.

    [video=youtube;zwZVFc5WvXY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwZVFc5WvXY[/video]
    And it is just one examples out of many others.

    Also Muhammad killed Jews from the Benu Quraidah, that Muslims Seikhs does not ingore that.

    So I guess, if it was so much of acceptable, then probably beheading should continue like ISIS is doing?

    So what if at that time killing was a reguler act in the past, it still does not justify in any case beheadings.
     
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    I'm not positive that the figure of 60' @ 8,000 BCE is exact as different sources vary and the rate was faster some years than others.

    I think you'll find related visual renderings via geographic maps fascinating & contradicting a lot of what "everybody knows" especially the story of the "Red Sea pedestrians" (aka Moses & his alleged followers).


    Enjoy,
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    since according to you, 85% of Arabs in the West Bank are crypto-Jews, they have the right to soverignty.
     
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    As I already told you in comment number #106:
    they have the right to soveriegnty as the document of the Mandate stateed. Which means that those Crypto-Jews have the right to sevoriegnty in the form of the National Home of the Jewish people.
     
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    thats what u think
     
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    It is what it is. Those "Palestinians" are Jews, hence tey have the right soveriegnty as the document of the Mandate stated, in the form of the National Home of the Jewish people.
     
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    so 85% of Palestinians aren't just Crypto-Jews, but they are full-fledged Jews under Hallachah????

    LOL!!!! your idea belongs in the Conspiracy Theory section
     
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    When and where did I mention anywhere the word "Hallachah"?
     
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    No jew is a Jew, unless according to the rules of Judaism aka Hallachah
     
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    That's why the called "Crypto-Jews". It means that those people have for the outside different religion then Judaism, but in their homes they practice and celebrating Jewish holidays and costums.
     
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    you call them "Jews", not "Crypto-Jews".

    do you really think 85% of Palestinians practise and celebrate Jewish holidays and customs in private?

    LOL!!!!!
     
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    Yes, all the Crypto-Jews in the West Bank are practicing Jewish holidays and costums in private.
     
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    sorry, but that is simply not true.

    nor do you have any evidence for your insane 85% figure.

    its all pure fantasy.
     
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    I already provided all the evidences for you in our previous disscusions.
    Here is one of the evidences about the existance of the Crypto-Jews in the West Bank:
    [video=youtube;wMCmUz7Z-9E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMCmUz7Z-9E[/video]
     
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    Where in the mandate document does it say they have a right of sovereignty in Palestine. the so called "national home of the Jewish people was to be IN Palestine, without prejudice to the rights of the native inhabitants.
     
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    it doesn't say that.

    he just makes things up that fits his agenda
     
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    Where does it states in the document that the Jews have the right of sovereignty in "Palestine" in form of the national home? In the preamble:
    Source: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp

    BTW- the document states "non-Jewish communities", and not "native inhabitants". The Arabs came to the Land of Israel from verious Arab countries. And Israel is respecting their rights.
     
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    That's a You-tube video of a gentleman speaking in Arabic with subtitles provided by a notoriously biased organisation MEMRI, he could be saying anything...a bit like this:

    [video=youtube;WHkxp4cxRjU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHkxp4cxRjU[/video]

    :smile:
     

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