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I learned fact about Asian cultures they have extremely high suicide rates. With South Korea being there third-highest in the world at 28.3% and Japan being the sixth highest in the world.

The u.s. not even registering in the top 25.

So I don't believe you. Perhaps you're Asian and do you want to talk about how great your culture is perhaps you really like Asians and want to talk about how great their culture is compared to ours it isn't. Many of them lack freedom some of them are even communists. And also isn't Taiwan the tranny capital of the world?

 

When I refer to NE Asian, I'm referring to Mongols. Chinese, to be specific. They have a very different culture to that of Japan and Korea.

I'm not Asian (much), and I don't live in Asia. My evaluation of these things is observation and research based.

 

1) The evidence of the lack of damage is in the undamaged lives led subsequent to a childhood within a culture which 'taboos thought', as you put it. Damage always tells, Poly.

2) There is no frame of reference for 'homosexuality is one of the options'. It simply isn't there. As I keep repeating, any urges in that direction will be a) poorly understood, and b) immediately quashed (by conditioning which quashes 'inappropriate sauciness' generally .. at least in teen years).

3) See 2)

4) See 1)

5) See 2)

6) The cost is easily measured in the high percentage of well-adjusted, clean living, productive teens and young adults. Once again, damage shows. It's almost irrelevant if the choice to live functional, clean lives is driven by conditioning, or (as you seem to feel is superior) dumb luck ... the end result is functional, emotionally stable, clean-living, productive adults. Are you suggesting that life is somehow better if we're allowed to fall down. That 'free will' thing changes the quality of the fall (and its often lifelong consequences), somehow?

7) It's fairly naive to think that Asian people don't recognise the afflictions of youth. They most certainly do, but they don't recognise them as inevitable .. that's the first difference. The second is that they actually do something about avoiding them. A far more effective approach than crossing your fingers and hoping for the best.

 

There's a reason I mentioned Taiwan just legalized same-sex marriage. That's because it completely disproves your theory.

 

Of course the gay marriage, LGBT, transgender surgery craze is a fairly recent fad, really only about 20 years old.

Bad and crazy behavior has been around as long as man has. Having too many secular progressives in power is the root problem.

 

Good thing pacifists didn't protest.
What a dumb thread.

 

Wtf does biological functions have to do with this?
There are naturally sterile people. Whats their biological function?

 

Your research sucks. IMO.

 

They are threat to backward binary thinkers. No doubt.

 

Taiwan is not China. And it's not 'my theory'. Ask any Chinese American you know .. they will confirm what I've said about the culture.

And if you think Chinese kids are as likely to be dissolute as western kids so frequently are, you really need to get out more.

 

And your ignorance of the culture and its outcomes is solid.

 

The only backward thinking here is that total freedom produces well adjusted teenagers. Please disembark from the 1960s.

 

I know Chinese Americans who are gay. True they may be more likely to "pretend" to their parents that they're not but they still go home to their same-sex partners and their parents know it too. It's like British style suppression from 60 years ago, sweep it under the carpet and pretend it doesn't exist.

I've traveled the world and I never said anything remotely related to this, this is pure projection. Stop it!

A lot of Chinese, including the government, would contend that Taiwan is China.

Why do you think Taiwan has recognized SSM while Mainland China hasn't? Couldn't have anything to do with that pesky "freedom" thing could it?

The Mainland will catch up if it becomes financially and politically expedient. That's one thing you can count on for sure.

 

then you should say Chinese and Mongols I'm not going to play this stupid game with you where you continuously move the goalposts.

I'm sorry you have presented no research.

So your position is at claim without evidence and claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Put simply I don't believe you.

 

so simply take away off freedom and you won't have to worry about having freedom no thanks.

that's complete b******* and already disproved that claim.

But I'll go ahead and do it again.

If there are an existence in China men and women and people know the difference between them there is a frame of reference for homosexuality if you simply like the same sex better that's a frame of reference.
[/QUOTE]It simply isn't there.[/QUOTE]Bullshit see above.

you can say it a million more times if you want I'm still going to challenge you on it because you still provided nothing.

It's just an absurd baseless claim. I don't believe you. You have presented nothing to give your claim any credibility.

so being stupid equals easy to control that's not a mystery that's how churches have been controlling people for centuries.

lack of understanding is never good.

2 is nothing but baseless claims that you have failed to prove for months now.

aren't these the people that refuse to let their citizens have more than one or two kids and if they do they drown them?

The population is horrendous in China. The cost of keeping people stupid and not allowing them to explore their selves is partially overpopulation.

once again prove causation don't just say correlation equates to causation.

no I'm saying you can understand yourself better your limits how to succeed if you're allowed to make mistakes.

it's very naive of you to think Americans don't recognize afflictions in youth.

Avoidance of things never helps anybody.

 

It simply isn't there.[/QUOTE]Bullshit see above.

you can say it a million more times if you want I'm still going to challenge you on it because you still provided nothing.

It's just an absurd baseless claim. I don't believe you. You have presented nothing to give your claim any credibility.

so being stupid equals easy to control that's not a mystery that's how churches have been controlling people for centuries.

lack of understanding is never good.

2 is nothing but baseless claims that you have failed to prove for months now.

aren't these the people that refuse to let their citizens have more than one or two kids and if they do they drown them?

The population is horrendous in China. The cost of keeping people stupid and not allowing them to explore their selves is partially overpopulation.

once again prove causation don't just say correlation equates to causation.

no I'm saying you can understand yourself better your limits how to succeed if you're allowed to make mistakes.

it's very naive of you to think Americans don't recognize afflictions in youth.

Avoidance of things never helps anybody.[/QUOTE]

You're still missing the point, Poly. The frame of reference 'missing' from the culture is homosexuality as an OPTION. They know it exists, but it's regarded as irrelevant, and kids are never given any indication that it's an option. You know what I'm saying, I'm sure of it, but for some reason you're using a clunky argument to avoid it.

What does China's population have to do with this?

And finally, the mission in Chinese parenting is to help your kids AVOID making mistakes. They absolutely do not believe that learning is via making mistakes. They regard that as a failed western 'experiment', the evidence for failure being western youth and its myriad problems.

Where did I say Americans don't recognise the afflictions of youth?

Avoidance doesn't help? I'll assume that's a joke. Because you surely can't be suggesting that kids should try everything.

 

That point is bologna I'm not missing it I'm rejecting it. If there is more than one man and more than one woman in the entire nation of China than there damn sure is an opition.

A culture pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it so.

Just like every bible thumper family that ever existed.

It isn't any different

Yes you're saying that China is like 1960s U.S. they're in the dark and like it that way.

It isn't that difficult to understand.

That's profoundly stupid.

That Is also idiotic.

You implied it.

Avoidance of one's sexual nature doesn't help. Please try not to make strawman fallacies. I've lost a bit of respect for you over your bible thumper-esque nonsense about sexuality being contagious. Don't attempt to misinterpret my statements. Than you'll be no better than sec.

 

Here's an article about gay bars in Beijing:

http://www.timeoutbeijing.com/featu...13466/Beijings-best-gay-and-lesbian-bars.html

 

Confirmed bullshit

Thank you colombine.

 

No problem. Took all of 5 seconds to find that!

 

Bless you

I take it you think a gay bar means that the average Chinese parents think their kids might be gay.

 

No it means it is an option that exists.

If there are gay people in China it means there's an option.

 

Sweetie you're the only one displaying ignorance of culture.

There are gay people in China that means it absolutely is an option so your main point is wrong.

 

It's not one gay bar it's several in a gay district.

Whatever "average Chinese parents" might think, there's just as much chance their kids will be gay as there is anywhere else in the world. The culture might incline them to hide it more (as it used to in the West) but that doesn't mean it's "case solved" there are no gays in China. Of course there are.

BTW your world view seems to be shrinking. First it was North East Asia, Then it was China and Mongolia, now its "average Chinese parents".

Reminds me of that Star Trek TNG episode with Beverley Crusher on the shrinking Enterprise (season four, episode five).

 

Who cares what they think? Thinking something and actually being something are two very different things. My parents didn't think i was gay when I was a kid. They didn't think I was gay when I told them I was. They didn't think I was gay when I started dating a man. It took about 5 years into a relationship for them to think I was gay.

So parents having wishful thinking has no bearing on anything.