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You're either deliberately 'misunderstanding', or you're not as sharp a tool as I had you for.

ONCE AGAIN ... it's not about whether homosexuality exists in China/wherever (because it does, duh). In the same way westerners know that drug addicts exist, yet 99.9% of parents don't behave as though it's an option, Asians do the same with homosexuality.

Technically, it's an option ... but culturally, it isn't. That's not hard to understand, so I'm going to guess you're position is deliberate.

 

More rudimentary comprehension. It's like arguing with ideologues!

You're utterly clueless about Asian culture, apparently. And "Chinese" parents are all over the world, not just in China.

And again with this 'gay bar' thing .. just as though I claimed there were no gays in China

 

This is very a western-centric kind of oblivion.

To answer your question, their kids care what they think. That's THE POINT.

 

Nope I understand perfectly. Your argument is exactly like sec's

Yeah so does everybody else.

Bologna there are gay clubs as colombine pointed out. Obviously culturally it's an option. You were proven dead wrong on that one

You pretend it's because I don't understand. I understand you I just thunk it's bullshit.

My position is that you're full of ****. It isn't a deliberate "misunderstanding" it's me knowing you are dead wrong.

I disagree with you. Colombine presented info to support my disagreement. You have made only unsupported claims.

 

Oblivian? Living a false life to please parents is oblivion.

The point is they are so worried about losing their parents approval they'll pretend to be something they aren't? Seems they have shitty parents that place their interests over their children's happiness. We have those here, we call them terrible parents.

 

What lack of self awareness. The only way a person could disagree with the all knowing Crank is to have rudimentary ideology. Of course despite the reality that your bullshit argument is fundamentally no different than sec's and has been proven utterly false.

There is no nuance we are missing. You have basically said homosexuality is contagious and because China (now in your ever moving goalposts) is largely homophobic with disapproving parents.

That is the argument you have made and you have tried to shrowd it in false neuance but I'm not some dunce you can pull that on.

You've explained it. They are self centred *******s that place their interests over their children's happiness. Or at least that is how you describe them.

I've heard the crap about "It's not an option" nonsense. I don't believe you. You haven't made a good case.

Gay people in China undermines your claim.

 

I'm talking about for the majority. You know this.

 

The majority in every country and in every culture is heterosexual.

So this is another pointless statement.

So far you are batting 1000 for bullshit claims and pointless statements.

 

If their DESIRE is to please their parents, then their DESIRE isn't to be gay. How are you still not grasping this?

If pleasing their parents is more important to them than transient 'odd urges', then actually pleasing their parents will make them happy, whereas indulging those urges won't. It's not rocket surgery! They will only feel bitter or angry about 'thwarted urges' if they somehow end up rebelling, western style. While some will, most won't (and rebels are not the subject of this discussion in any case), so all that matters is that they're happy and content and not experiencing any sense of loss. You're projecting your own western thinking and fully realised homosexuality upon them in assuming that loss is felt. Big mistake.

 

It doesn't work that way sweetheart.

Because darling I myself am homosexual. And I know it would please my parents if I were to be heterosexual. I tried for decades and couldn't. Sure I could lie to them and myself as I'm sure many people do, but they'd know something was wrong. They did know.

Its not something you can just stop whenever you want.

Indulging Urges? So homosexuals are nothing more than a sex act? You are exactly like sec.

Thwarted Urges? Why don't you just get a picket sign that says **** go to hell and join Westborough? Its not ****ing "urges" to want a partner you are compatible with.

What the hell do you know about it? You just reduced homosexuals to urges.

I have lost all respect for you.

I garantee you a gay person pretending to be straight experiences a sense of loss.

I know better than you, i lived it.

You presented nothing.

BTW I take personal offense to you reducing me to a ****ing urge.

 

How condescending. You have utterly failed to prove any of your claims, you act as though you can see into the hearts and minds of people, and everything you have said has either been unsupported claims (I don't believe you) or flat out false.

And when you are proven wrong you sink to personal attacks.

I won't claim that you are lying because you might actually believe the horse manure you posted. If that's the case you habe my pity. But there isn't a "lack of understanding" or a "misunderstanding of culture" on my part. You made some goofy claims and failed to support them answering only "i have experience."

I don't believe you. I have experience, more than you. Facts were presented that you can't debate.

Also you reduced people to a sex act. That is exactly what hateful Christians do.

You have no credibility, you are a rude self centred little person.

And this is for what? Satisfaction of being right?

 

Colombine proved that wrong.

Its clearly an option.

If there is anything I don't understand it's why you keep making a claim that's proven false.

Are you deluded?

 

Well I think she should share her research with the professor of Truthology Christian Tech

 

I'm not "reducing people to urges", I'm talking about urges felt in youth.

And regardless of what you - a westerner - felt about the need/want to please your parents, it's nothing at all like how Asian kids feel about their pleasing parents. And they don't resent the pressure to conform because they understand it's in their best interests. It's not easy or light work to raise kids that way, and the kids know that.

And yes, I absolutely believe homosexuality can be nipped in the bud before it's fully realised. Not in the way you mean, where there is consciousness of repression of it ... like I said ... BEFORE it's fully realised. There may be a vague sense of it, but people raised to conformity (and continuing in it) do not acknowledge, or allow to develop, things which are counter-productive (in the conformist experience of life).

PS: It's unfortunate that you've taken this so personally. You're basically condemning an approach to child rearing ... and me for 'approving' it. That's your right of course, but as noted, it's a shame.

 

If it's a one time thing you likely aren't talking about the same thing. Homosexual people don't grow out of it.

I've noticed a big part of your argument relies on you knowing how people feel.

Truth is you don't.

you can't tell me what people don't resent you don't know.

yes it is you just place your own self-centered interests of your child's happiness. Loads of parents do it here we call it being s***** parents.

and some people believe for the world's flat you can believe whatever nonsense you want. I've come across many a people that think you can just teach people not to be gay.

it doesn't matter it's all the same Hocus Pocus.

well actually some do and you've been proven wrong on that. It's just weak willed people don't. And from your point of view Chinese parents raise weak-willed children because they break their will at an early age. It's rather sad.

and approach where parents are self-centered and Crush their children's will before they even are capable of forming it to forward their own self interests.

Absolutely I condemn that. I'd call it emotional abuse.

I think it's profoundly despicable to approve of such abuse.

I don't feel that it's a shame I don't feel any shame for condemning shity parenting any parent that does that should be ashamed of themselves.

 

well here lies the fundamental problem.

I disagree with you. I also have experience and you have none. I know what I felt you do not know what I felt. I am better equipped to empathize with people who do things to please others especially in regards two sexuality than you are.

Where a person would simply say I couldn't because my parents wouldn't let me. You would think that person was not gay. I'd know they were.

Forgive me for not believing you. I believe I simply know better than you.

 

You have no idea of my capacity for comprehension.

You mean people who chase a supposed "ideal" rather than face up to the reality that's presented to them?

Probably know more about it than you do on the face of the current evidence.

And they don't have gay kids whereas other Asians such as Taiwanese (because the land gap promotes gayness?), Vietnamese (one of my best friends is gay and has a Vietnamese partner whose brother is also gay), Thais, Cambodians, Japanese, Koreans and Laos etc. do because, what exactly?

This is just silly.

You kinda did. You claimed being gay didn't exist in NE Asia. Then you started narrowing down the list of countries that might apply to and then you landed on "Chinese Parents". Then they didn't have to actually live in China for it to apply (even though I actually know quite a few "Chinese" gays both in the US and the UK) and now I'm the person suffering from:

?

I think I'll, charitably, assume you're having a bad week.

 

That's because MOST people are born with a biology that compels an overwhelming attraction to the opposite sex. Those born without it can choose to go either way. I think most bisexuals choose to identify as homosexual or heterosexual and most self identified homosexuals are bisexuals who have chosen to identify as homosexual.

 

Do you think there are people who are biologically homosexual? Or do you think they are bisexuals that identify as homosexual?

 

Science or studies to back these claims up?

 

No, I think some people are born without the normal biological drive that compels an attraction to the opposite sex.

 

As much science to back up my claims as there is to back up your claims. Its all speculation.

 

So you don't believe there's a such thing as biological homosexuality?

 

No, it isn't speculation. Go on, do a science experiment. Choose to be gay for a few weeks.

Let me know how it turns out.

 

Conversion Therapy works amazingly well. Go ask Ted Haggard.