Activists Protest ‘Conversion Therapy’ Conference In San Diego

I think you're being purposefully naive. Stopping a behavior isn't difficult unless you're talking about a compulsion. If we're talking about curing homosexuality we're talking about eliminating the attraction to the same sex if you can't do that as far as I'm concerned you haven't done anything. If a person simply stops having sex with someone of the same sex they have done everything there was no treatment there was no medicine no culture nothing involved in that but one person deciding not to do something.

this is some real bible thumper crap. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation not an addiction. If you don't understand the difference I suggest you consult an English dictionary.

 

repeating b******* over and over doesn't magically make it not b*******.

it's not science it's Make-Believe.

I don't dismiss it with extreme anything. I dismiss all unsupported claims with indifference because they're not supported. They can be dismissed without support because they were made without support.

Yes you can you can believe in luck dragons and leprechauns and unicorns and fairy dust. You can subscribe to that too. I'm not saying you can't. I'm simply saying your claims lack Merit.

 

'not doing something' is the point of the exercise. residual inner turmoil is inevitable, and unique to the individual. It can't be quantified or qualified.

We don't measure quitting smoking success by how much the person longs for a smoke after dinner.

 

No, YOU are qualifying 'cure' as the eradication of all urges.

I simply state that for many, cessation of activity is enough. Further, some folk regard their homosexuality as an addiction. Because you don't see it that way, doesn't mean others don't. You can't reasonably demand that everyone regard their own sexuality the same way that you do.

 

No it isn't.

Only if you don't know anything about what you're talking about. If you're still attracted to the same sex you are still homosexual. Even if you don't act on it or act against it. I just Quantified it.

Once again crank you're absolutely wrong.

That's a dumb comparison. One does not have an innate attraction to smoking.

 

So ... you dismiss it with extreme prejudice.

oy vay

 

no I am quantifying homosexuality as an attraction to the same sex. And if you do nothing about that you're not curing it.

that's absurd you never had to do any activity in the first place.

because they never bothered to try and understand it.

I'm not I'm saying this sexual orientation is a sexual orientation not an action.

People do things because of the desire to the cause is the desire not what they are doing.

 

You're speaking from personal perspective. You are not all gay men, Poly.

Some don't want to be gay, and regard their sexuality as a matter of urges and behaviour (yeah, just like addiction!). They understand that there'll always be urges, but regard them as no different to the urges some married men have to shag someone other than their wife. Ordinary sex drive stuff, kept under control.

 

No I dismiss with indifference. I poke fun at people who think it's demons are fairy dust.

 

you are speaking from absolutely no experience and no possible way to gain experience. You are not a man nor are you a homosexual man.

some men want to be women for them it's a matter of hormone therapy and maybe surgery. But conveniently because you have an ex to grind with that we brush off a little fairy dust and see your bias show through.

celibacy is not ordinary sex drive stuff kept under control. Ordinary sex drive kept under control is considered simply showing restraint.

 

I'm not speaking for myself, I'm speaking about gay men who've addressed this with me.

I didn't say anything at all about celibacy. But since you brought it up, yes, it's a suppression of the sex drive. Many many humans live perfectly good lives without sex for long periods of time, for a zillion different reasons. The human sex drive expresses itself in sleep, if unmet in waking hours.

 

yes I said you're speaking from absolutely no experience. And whatever imaginary gay people you made up do by amount to experiance.

Well if you are homosexual and refuse to have sex with someone of the same sex you would be celibate. If you are homosexual and trick the opposite sex into having sex with you you are a manipulative selfish *******.

then it isn't the Cure it isn't the treatment it isn't anything but suppression of a biological Behavior. You don't need doctors you don't need treatments to do that all you need is willpower.

I don't care about this.

 

Why would you say 'made up'? that's totally weird. Again, my experience is that of the listener. But if someone tells me "I don't want to be gay", should I respond with "yes you do, liar, Poly says so"?

Yes, if you don't have sex, you're celibate. We sorta know that. If a previously homosexual man has sex with a female, and it's not terrible, is he still damned in your eyes? Do you judge him based on how much he enjoys it?

Yes, willpower is essentially all that's required. Just as with addictions. But some people need help with that willpower, and that's where group type therapy or a therapist come into it.

 

Because you seem to say anything to save face.

I have lost count of how many times you have moved the goal posts.

Now you are simply making a bible thumper argument. Saw sec do that 3 years ago.

Nothing.

A selective listener. You only listen to people who confirm your opinion. You talk at and deny anything I say. You are a **** listener.

I don't care how you respond.

Duh.

No just bisexual.

If he enjoys he isn't homosexual. That's called bisexual.

Well as far as sex goes it takes a lot of things to do it. So to not do it requires nothing. Just stay at home.

 

I simply had a number of men tell me that they were unhappy with being homosexual (I also had plenty who said they were happy with being homosexual), what point are you trying to make? These are the kinds of responses you give which often just seem angry and nonsensical, Poly.

 

When you were carrying on about China and North east Asia this was what you ment? When you argued that we have to accept people that claim they are cured this is all you were talking about?

See this is why i call you dishonest. This is the first time you said anything close to that. It makes me suspicious that you simply altered your position to save face.

what that people that like both sexes are bisexual? That doesn't make sense to you?

 

I'll give you that one, they could definitely decide to avoid homosexual activity. I agree with Poly though that is more aversion than treatment. Now if a legal adult wants to go down that road of their own accord and they are not being pressured or coerced, I'm all for it. I think it's nuts personally, but who am I to stop them? Where I really lose it with conversion therapy is when it's being shoved down a minor's throat, or it's driven by religious leaders who threaten or coerce people into going. If someone is gay and really doesn't want to be and wants to learn how to avoid it and live with that choice, go for it. Just don't indoctrinate people into thinking they have to do that to get into heaven or to stay a member of your family.

 

If a consenting adult CHOOSES to go through conversion therapy because they feel they they shouldn't be gay and was born the wrong sexual orientation, or any other reason, that is their choice. I support it the same as I support someone believing they were born as the wrong gender choosing to go through a sex change.

However, the moment this stuff starts getting forced on minors, the parents, and those running the programs need to be charged with abuse and thrown in prison.

 

Agreed.

 

I agree. An a consenting adult has every right to choose to go through this therapy. I consider it to be no different than a trans person chooseing to have a sex change. If someone truly feels that they shouldn't be gay and thinks conversion therapy can help, more power to them.
It SHOULD be a crime, however, to force cpnversion therapy on minors, and it should be frowned upon at least, to coerce adults into it. In many cases, conversion therapy involves mental and physical torture to force a person to involve mentally link the pain caused by the therapy with homosexual behavior.

INHO, a parent who would force this on their kid, an many conversative "Christian" parents do just that, should be charged with child abuse and neglect.

 

I agree with you but there are certain things not related to this that should also be considered child abuse in my opinion.

 

But one can not to want to be. The premise of conversation therapy is not an automatic one of the individual choose to be gay. Now that is not to say there are not specific therapies that use that premise, but since no specific one was presented we are working on generalities. Also not, just because I am pointing out a logical fallacy of the argument I do not support these therapies as there has been none to date that do not cause more damage that they "fix". However, should one be developed that can cause the conversion without any collateral damage, I would support the right of those who want it to obtain it.

 

Do not mistake sexual behavior with sexual orientation. I can put a gun to a person's head and force them to do homosexual acts. It doesn't suddenly change their orientation. Orientation is about what sexually attracts you, gender wise. It has nothing to do with what, if anything, disgusts you, nor what you are willing to do physically. So you can be attracted to the opposite gender, but still willing to have sex with the same gender if the pay or pay-off is good enough. It doesn't change what gender attracts you.

 

We did not always believe that. Many societies held that there was something wrong with left handed people. They were wrong about that, so why are you correct in saying that homosexuality is biologically wrong?

 

Because they don't reproduce unless they drift outside their sexuality.