Adam Schiff rejects reports that Mueller indictments are over, says special counsel could be called

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  1. Promise Hero

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    Here's what Nadler read from the Mueller report:
    "'Barr: stated that while this report does not conclude the President committed a crime It also does not exonerate him". But Barr deliberately ignored the two sentences before that line.
    "If we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of Justice we would say so. Base on the facts and the applicable legal standards however we are unable to reach that judgement. Mueller went on to say that "a thorough FBI investigation would have uncovered facts about the campaign and the President personally that the president could have understood to be crimes or that would have risen to personnel and considerable concern."


    Keep swilling the Orange Kool Aid because Trump needs you to. Also here's what Trump says about his loyal supporters.
    "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, okay, and I wouldn't lose any voters, okay?" Trump said at a rally in Sioux Center, Iowa as the audience laughed. "It's, like, incredible." :roflol::roflol:
     
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    Sorry your hoax crashed and burned so ignominiously.
     
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    No facts. No intelligible observations. Just burnt crap.
     
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    Exactly.

    And, Trump has committed innumerable "Impeachable Offenses", but there aren't 20 GOP Patriots (in the Senate) to vote to convict.

    So, as usual, Trump has Carte Blanche to Crap all over The Constitution and continue his assault on America.
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's a fact that the hoax failed. Anything else is conspiracy theory.

    You can try to keep it going, but it's plain silly at this point.

    Do you really want to be on the side of those who are the butt of jokes?

    You know, we know, we all now know that it was a hoax, all along. Are you wanting to pretend that you are proudly being played? Do you think that there is anyone left that you can play?

    It's a failed hoax. It's done. The perpetrators can probably be saved. Maybe that's what you're hoping for? Maybe you can help create a scenario where it can be viewed as plausible that the scumbags really, really believed in the hoax. That might save them. Is that what you're working towards?
     
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    Lol meanwhile psycho-don the patho-liar and Bill "suckazz' Barr keep falling ever-more deeply into fecal matter. The investigations are on-going and more and more comes out.


    Barr: stated in his corrupted version of Muellers Report ‘that while this report does not conclude the President committed a crime It also does not exonerate him. But Barr deliberately ignored the two sentences before that line.
    "If we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of Justice we would say so. Base on the facts and the applicable legal standards however we are unable to reach that judgement. Mueller went on to say that a thorough FBI investigation would have uncovered facts about the campaign and the President personally that the president could have understood to be crimes or that would have risen to personnel and considerable concern.' For some reason Barr excluded this critical finding as well from his version of events

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    WASHINGTON (AP) — Special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election identified 10 instances of possible obstruction of justice by President Donald Trump;

    PRESSURE ON COMEY TO END PROBE OF MICHAEL FLYNN
    This includes the president's statement to then-FBI Director James Comey regarding the investigation of then-national security adviser Michael Flynn. Trump told Comey: "I hope you can see your way to letting this go."

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    PRESIDENT'S REACTION TO THE CONTINUING RUSSIA INVESTIGATION
    Among the evidence is the president telling then-White House counsel Don McGahn to stop Attorney General Jeff Sessions from recusing himself from the Russia investigation and Trump's subsequent anger at Sessions. Trump also contacted Comey and other intelligence agency leaders to ask them to push back publicly on the suggestion that Trump had any connection to the Russian election-interference effort. McGann eventually quit rather than carry out Trumps continuing illegal demands.

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    FIRING OF COMEY AND AFTERMATH
    Mueller's report says "substantial evidence" indicates Trump's decision to fire Comey in May 2017 was the result of the FBI director's unwillingness to say publicly that Trump was not personally under investigation. On the day after Trump fired Comey, the president told Russian officials that he had "faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off."

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    APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL AND EFFORTS TO REMOVE HIM
    Trump reacted to news of Mueller's appointment by telling advisers that it was "the end of his presidency." The president told aides that Mueller had conflicts of interest and should have to step aside. His aides told Trump the asserted conflicts were meritless. Following media reports that Mueller's team was investigating whether the president had obstructed justice, Trump called then-White House counsel Don McGahn at home and directed him to have Mueller removed. McGahn refused.

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    FURTHER EFFORTS TO CURTAIL THE SPECIAL COUNSEL's INVESTIGATION
    Trump instructed former campaign manager Corey Lewandowski to have Sessions publicly announce that, notwithstanding his recusal from the Russia investigation, the investigation was "very unfair" to the president, the president had done nothing wrong, and Sessions planned to meet with Mueller to limit him to "investigating election meddling for future elections."

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    EFFORTS TO PREVENT PUBLIC DISCLOSURE OF EVIDENCE
    In summer of 2017, Trump learned that the news media planned to report on the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower between senior campaign officials and Russians offering derogatory information about Hillary Clinton. The president directed aides not to publicly disclose the emails setting up the meeting. Before the emails became public, the president also edited a press statement for Donald Trump Jr. by deleting a line that acknowledged that the meeting was "with an individual who (Trump Jr.) was told might have information helpful to the campaign."

    ADDITIONAL EFFORTS TO HAVE SESSIONS TAKE CONTROL OF INVESTIGATION

    At several points in between July 2017 and December 2017, Trump tried to get Sessions to declare that he was no longer recused from the Russia investigation and would assert control over it. The report says there's evidence that one purpose of asking Sessions to step in was so that the attorney general would restrict the investigation's scope.

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    TRUMP ORDERS WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL TO DENY THAT PRESIDENT TRIED TO FIRE MUELLER

    In an Oval Office meeting in February 2018, Trump told McGahn to "correct" a New York Times story that reported Trump had earlier instructed McGahn to fire Mueller. Trump also asked why McGahn had told Mueller's investigators about the directive to remove Mueller. McGahn told Trump he had to tell the investigators the truth.

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    TRUMP'S ACTIONS TOWARD, FLYNN, MANAFORT AND OTHER POSSIBLE WITNESSES

    Mueller looked at whether Trump's sympathetic messages to Flynn, former campaign manager Paul Manafort and others were intended to limit their cooperation with Mueller's investigation. When Flynn began cooperating with prosecutors, Trump passed word through his lawyer that he still had warm feeling for Flynn and asked for a "heads up" if Flynn knew of information implicating Trump. Trump praised Manafort during and after his criminal convictions, and refused to rule out a pardon for his former campaign chairman.

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    TRUMP ACTIONS TOWARD MICHAEL COHEN

    Mueller noted that Trump's conduct toward Cohen, a former Trump Organization executive, changed from praise to castigation after Cohen began cooperating with prosecutors. The evidence could "support an inference that the president used inducements in the form of positive messages
    in an effort to get Cohen not to cooperate, and then turned to attacks and intimidation to deter" cooperation and undermine Cohen's credibility, Mueller wrote.


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    :roflol::roflol::roflol: - Funnier then the whole Russian collusion narrative.
     
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    Trump and his voters have a right to celebrate. No one in is campaign was indicted for a russian conspiracy. No one was indicted for obstruction of justice. From here on out, whatever the dems do in their partisan games will not indict trump or his campaign people for anything. Trump did not obstruct justice. That is the decision made by the AG since it was handed over to him, and was his to make. It is over, in so far as legalities.

    You can have as many congressional investigations into the same two issue till the cows come home. Even if the house were to impeach him, for partisan reasons, there is no way in hell the senate would remove him office. So you lost, suck it up, lick your wounds and get lost. The whining gets old.
     
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    I didn't say that I knew anything about you. I was just asking questions.

    I didn't bother to read the rest of the nonsense that you spewed.

    Have fun living your YouTube fantasies.
     
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    The Mueller Report proves that the investigation was started in January of 2016 without any evidence whatsoever.

    And from what Horowitz is looking at, Barack Obama apparently attended the meeting where it all started.
     
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    Don't include me in "you guys." I have no love for Mueller at all. He should have ended his investigation after a few months when he knew the answer to his original mission. Instead he spent two years and published a political report that, among other things, covered his rear end. It wasn't a criminal investigation. It was a political one. No excuse for it.
     
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    Still not aware how elections work?
    LOL, Republicans lost the house by 40 votes, it was democrats that lost the house by 60 votes. Republicans only need to pick up 17 seats to regain the house.
     
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    You complain about words getting left off things then go and do it your self with Trump. Interesting.
     
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    I'm not exactly partial to Hannity (aka 'wall banger' ), however, I do subscribe to this rather likely course of events, lol... (just in time for fall of 2020) :)



    (will likely backfire on Dems...)
     
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    I believe it is going to be a very interesting timeframe.
     
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    His original mission was to investigate whether or not foreign spies and crooks were trying to manipulate our election by illegal means. Judging by his report, I’d say he did a hell of a job. Being the professional he is he has created a record and backed up all of his assertions. Now it is up to our elected officials in both houses of Congress to take his findings and act to secure our election process by creating legislation and or working with our law enforcement and intel agencies to stop such intrusions in the future. The fact that his investigation turned up ample evidence that the present occupant of the White House and many of his cohorts are lying sacks of crap who were trying to undermine this investigation may be politically embarrassing does not equate to this investigation being a political witch hunt, but rather a valuable excercise which will hopefully prevent any future Presidents from behaving in this disgusting, gangsterlike manner. Kudos to Mr. Mueller and his team. This will end up being great for America.
     
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    Hopefully not for long. He is a lame duck for the rest of his time in office. House and Senate investigations will fill the news cycles for the next year and what is revealed will make it very hard for regular working Americans to support this lying cheating scumbag again.
     
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    The real purpose was to get Trump. It may not have been Mueller's purpose but it was the purpose DOJ. The whole thing was disreputable - about what one would expect from federal government.
     
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    Our counterintel guys had been investigating these Russian crooks and spies long before Trump ever thought of running for President. Obama warned Trump not to hire Flynn as he was aware that Flynn was being investigated. When many of the same spies and crooks who were known to counterespionage agents and law enforcement officers like Strzok, Ohr and McCabe started showing up around Trumps associates and campaign officials, they rightly started investigating. Get a grip.
     
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    I have a grip. What you say is correct. What I said is also correct.
     
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    But of course you haven't read the report so your fantasies of the endgame will not come True. By the way I'd be careful calling the millions of American's who already don't trust Trump and have graded Trump with the lowest ratings on record partisan. They haven't seen the report yet and they will be the final arbiters of the report's results.

    I never said what the endgame was for me so once again you wallow in your ignorance about my expectations.
    You're so confused you can't understand that the State Of New York is looking at a variety of possible Trump criminal activities separate from what the House of Reps is looking into.

    Also according to Mueller's findings in the report itself Barr the Buttlicker completely bastardized the meaning of the Report with a false narrative that you will gladly swallow.. As Congress explores this the American people will see the brutal dishonesty of the Putin/Trump regime.. .Their distrust of the regime will only deepen. Careful who you call a partisan.

    From Mueller's report:" If we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of Justice we would say so. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards however we are unable to reach that judgement'

    Keep swallowing the Orange Kool-Aid. Barr is a member of the executive branch and you like the idea of the executive branch giving the executive branch complete exoneration.
    When it comes to Trump you believe in letting ignorance be your guide. Same with your posts.
     
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    The trend will continue in the Democrats favor. Usually the party in power looses more seats than the party out of power (the Dems) But with this president who has consistently lower ratings this will be even more so. The fact that we have a somewhat booming economy should have lifted the presidents ratings much higher than where he is at now. But Trump is disliked and not trusted so in the next election look for the Dems to pick up more seats than would normally be expected for a party out of power.
     
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    I have not read the report, for I am not a lawyer and it is written in legalese, that neither you nor I understand sufficiently. But I did the best thing. I relied upon Dershowitz, a liberal democrat and Prof of Law and Greenwald who has a law degree and is also a liberal democrat. I would never use a conservative, given partisan bias. So, I used experts, liberals, men who will not submit to the brain damage created by partisanship. And, my opinions are based upon what they have said in regards to this report, You, unless you are a lawyer, are assuming you can understande the fine details, the legal nuances, whereas I will never make such a claim.

    Most of the americans who don't trust trump and believe him to be in a conpiracy, are the losers in the last election. And I have heard two damn years of their BS and fantasies, and you are just trying to continue that, IMO. BTW, I did not vote for trump, but sanders and stein. So, there is no partisanship rendering me brain dead as you see on the democratic side.

    The NY State deal is not the Mueller report and if they come up with criminality, you will not see me defending that criminality. I am only interested in the truth, and I have not seen much of that from the losing democrats.

    All that you will see congress do, is what we have seen them do for decades. Play partisan games, and trying to use that to win the next election. If you actually had paid attention to our political system as long as I have, 60 years, you would not believe anything else.

    Go and piss on someone else's leg sir. And try to tell them its rain. I ain't buying it.
     
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    That is how propaganda works. That is why the democrat media complex does it all the time but then they are playing to the useful idiots.
     
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    Thank you for your fantasy filled opinions they will by put into the circular file.
     

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