Adoption by Gay community can prevent abortions.

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Near death experiencer Christian Andreason was shown that the Ancient of Days the Father and the Ancient of Days the Mother (The Holy Spirit) have plans for the LGBT community.

    Many long term stable Gay couples could inspire dozens of heterosexual couples to be willing to become adoptive parents in the near future when Gay couples are more free to adopt a child.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=288114&page=10&p=1065488467#post1065488467

    NDE message that God's has many plans for the Gay Community???

     
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    The OP is nonsensical as is the pointlessness of someone claiming a near death experience.

    There is no shortage of couples willing and wanting to adopt the child of pregnant women. That is not where the adoption shortage is.
     
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    I must be getting old because nothing makes sense to me, especially this post.
     
  4. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Back in 1990 I began to study near death experience accounts a bit obsessively. Over these past 25 years I confronted some pretty serious cognitive dissonance due to what had been shown to people while they flatlined.


    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a11


    What about sexually diverse people?



    What was shown to Mr.Christian Andreason during his NDE sure sounds different than what the Apostle Paul or Moses had been shown about homosexuality so I was confronted with the question of whether or not the being of light of NDE fame was Messiah Yeshua - Jesus keeping his promise to, in the future, "speak plainly of the Father" or...… was this being of light an extremely powerful fallen angel impersonating...… Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in his glorified form??????

    I wondered what specifically could be those plans that G-d had for the LGBT community???
     
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    Christian journalist Ms. Lorna Dueck did a program one time in which she asserted that there are roughly 22,000 children here in Canada alone who are being raised in group homes or foster families, who would love to find a caring adoptive family, but none is available.

    http://www.contextwithlornadueck.com/episodes/the-right-to-a-home---the-story-of-vicki-mansell

    The Right to a Home - The Story of Vicki Mansell


     
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    Is the being of light of NDE fame:
    John 16:25


    … or......
    2Corinthians 11:14


    Is the book of Baruch in the Catholic Bible really written by the friend and scribe to the Prophet Jeremiah?

    http://www.drbo.org/chapter/30006.htm


    http://www.near-death.com/science/research/life-review.html

    The Life Review and the Near-Death Experience

     
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    Then clearly the OP is false since gays can marry and adopt in Canada.
     
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    Gay people are not special, Dennis.
     
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    True.......... but........ I get the impression that the being of light of NDE fame has a great sense of humor and looks at each situation that we are in from a viewpoint that considers all relevant angles.

    The fact........ that a high percentage of heterosexual couples who attend church a lot would perhaps tend to have a strong emotional reaction to a reality film in their area in which an expectant mother is given a significant expansion of choice available to her........... is relevant.

    We are all being taught hundreds of important lessons each day.......... and the Creator wishes for us to place a significantly higher value on children.

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a04

     
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    But the incidence so far is very low...… and the being of light of NDE fame wishes to teach all of us to place a much higher value on children.

    ..............(This much better world shown to near death experiencer Howard Storm that I mentioned in post #9 above was show to be about two centuries in the future).....



    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a04


     
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    Churchies are a**holes. They go to church for a sense of community, or a sense of self righteousness. "Community" is just a synonym for "mob". I know a transwoman who was involved in a church but got too rejected for changing gender (she did fine at work mind you, beats me how). Now she is very "active" in the queer community. I worked out that "community" is very important to her, not God, or even being a woman.

    I won't go into details but its uneasy to observe the validation they give her, for being so easily led. It's extremely,"Emperor's new clothes". She seems quite content for now, though she looks ridiculous. I don't know how long the content will last.
     
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    Absolutely! Adoption by Gay parents can reduce abortions. There are plenty of children who need to be adopted.
     
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    There is NOTHING showing gay adoptions are reducing abortions. There is NO shortage of people willing to pre-birth commit to adopting a newborn. None whatever. Huge waiting lists. People pay big money just to get on the potential adoption list for pregnant women who are going put the newborn up for adoption.

    I doubt ANY woman decides whether or not to abort based upon whether someone will adopt the child at birth, since it is known there are people who will and want to. Contracts/agreements made prior to birth for adoption is big business including for such as Catholic charities. There are big fees just to be put on the list to be considered as potential by pregnant females.

    The problem is NOT newborns. The problem is almost no one will adopt or even foster care seriously disabled children or troubled older children. In Florida, they literally ran an ad on TV of a single man ragingly beating a cookie pan of cookies he burned in a fit of rage, with TWO young teenage girls watching. The point was that even single, male violently raging lunatics certainly capable of foster caring at least TWO teenagers. That is how severe the shortage is of people willing to foster care for a fee, let alone unwilling to adopt such children.

    In Canada and now nearly anywhere in the USA gays can adopt, so this isn't even a issue. If gays were willing to adopt seriously disabled children and troubled older teens in juvenile detention, boys ranches and juvenile centers they would be doing so. They aren't.
     
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    The psychological fantasy of a religious zealot claiming knowledge of God establishing a kingdom within 2 centuries does mean anything but to other religious zealots, does it? It falls into the category of people predicting the time of the end of the world or that the rapture is at hand. The coming "kingdom" of God has been predicted to be imminent for the last 2000+ years.
     
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    I like and endorse your theory on abortion, preventing them, and giving well meaning gay couples the opportunity to be parents, but let's be honest with each other. Most people that adamantly oppose abortion also adamantly oppose the idea of gays adopting children. I do not want to draw from the hypocrisy angle because I think you have already done this.... indirectly. I want to ask why pro-lifers are so against the idea of gay couples adopting unwanted children? It leads to an interesting debate that I think many will never consider.
     
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    I get it, in theory. As a theoretical discussion, we should ask why pro-lifers are anti-gay adoption. Many are against abortion and many of the same sex couples adopting children. The question is why? One has to wonder.

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    And now you lost me. Keep the debate simple. You are going all over the place with your assertions.

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    You b*tch...... I am special. How dare you! LOL (Okay, it is getting too serious in here and I am trying to lighten the mood a bit)
     
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    Is it any consolation to you at all that Howard Storm Ph. D. was an atheist at the time of his near death experience?

    He was shocked....... to realize that his identity, his personality........ seemed to be able to exist separate from his physical body, in an out of the body state!

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html

    I read his book "My Descent Into Death" about five years ago.

    Interestingly enough......… it was published by Ms. Anne Rice who is the author of a famous series of Vampire novels who is certainly not attempting to spread any form of dogmatic fundamentalist religious belief.

    I was quite struck by the many ways that Howard Storm Ph. D. attempted to sort through the other possible explanations for what he observed in what he felt was an out of the body state.
     
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    Yes...… I admit that I definitely have a problem with quickly taking a debate from one extreme to the other extreme.

    I think that you may find the following poll somewhat encouraging, (especially considering that this was done on a Christian discussion forum)!

    http://www.christianforums.com/threads/gods-many-plans-for-the-gay-community.7728763/



    Do you agree that God has plans for the Gay community?


    *

    Yes, God owns this studio, we are the actors playing out our role!
    12 vote(s) ...............30.0%



    No, God would never compromise one millionth of an inch with sin!!!!
    11 vote(s) ..................27.5%


    *

    Yes, deep down we all love God and He has good planned for all of us.
    16 vote(s) ..............40.0%



    I have really never considered this idea before???
    9 vote(s) ................22.5%



    Multiple votes are allowed.
     
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    Most gay couples with children are busy raising children from one of their previous heteosexual relationships.
     
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    The fella of the OP is a nutcase. The claim that God decided to reveal to him that in 200 years he is going to establish a God-kingdom and what is most important for this is eliminating abortions by having gays adopt children being at the core of this goal of God is so wacko bizarre and a phobic fixation on LGTBs that the guy is just nuts, totally off the deep end.

    Of all the problems of the world - the starvation, genocide, wars, diseases, suffering and death - gay marriage and adoptions in trivial. In addition, apparently he decided God is gay, because there is no particular reason why the topic of adoptions should be limited to gays. And he has been proven wrong as gays can adopt children - and are not generally speaking - plus there is no shortage of people wanting to adopt newborns now so gays aren't needed for the adoption of newborns or to commit to adopting the children of a pregnant female not wanting to be pregnant.

    Women do not abort because they worry of being stuck with the child. ANY woman can walk away from a newborn at birth under the laws of every state. So his near death revelation was exactly NOTHING in effect and is just a personal psychological disturbance of excessive fixation on gays.
     
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    True, but gays also do have their own children, with this particularly true for lesbians - even lifelong lesbians.
     
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    :roflol:
     
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    String together a few words and make a point if you can.
     
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    It was funny. :)
     
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    Actually...... all seven billion of us seem to have some sort of "over soul" that is so off the scale powerful and ancient that those who were allowed a glimpse of what the human spirit - soul - higher dimensional hard drive really is....... were shocked!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...an-andreason-he-onto-something-important.html

    The Man on the Throne by Christian Andreason.... is he onto something important?
     

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