Advocates seek to expand gay rights

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    So there isn't any dictator just a weak congress.

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    They aren't though.
     
  2. PatriotNews

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    Both.

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    Ifthere was adictator Idoubt you'd be able to say that without droves of g-men kickingin your door.
     
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    Isn't it amazing how one gay man demanding a cake has so shaken the conservatives that they are literally eating their own guts in consternation.
    How many gay threads have there been since that event predicting the end of the world for conservatives.

    It's really amazing how thin a thread they have been walking all these years if all it takes is one cake for it all to unravel.
     
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    The saddest part is that it isn't even a true story.http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/ore...hed-for-sharing-lesbian-couples-home-address/

    They were sued for sharing the lesbian couples address.
     
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    Which is it?
     
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    Both statements are correct.
     
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    Except of course any law in the US based on any of the first 5 commandments would be immediately tossed out as unconstitutional. But why let reality slow you down now, you never have in the past.
     
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    Ah yes!! Those pesky. Petulant, ungrateful gays. Marriage is not enough. Now they actually want all of the same rights that you have like the right not to be fired from a job or denied housing because of their sexuality. These are not new issues by the way. They are not just coming up now because of the marriage ruling. However, with the issue of marriage settled, attention can now be more sharply focused on these issues as well as the New Jim Crow laws that discriminate in the name of religious freedom. Get used to it. Interesting how you can take a positive story from The Advocate and turn it into a whiney, lugubrious rant claiming victimhood at the hands of gays and making ridiculous assertions about how everyone will be forced to “believe “ in same sex marriage. If you can be forced to believe anything you must have a very weak mind
     
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    The court is doing it's job-at least in this case-of upholding the constitution. If you think that this decision is so wrong, perhaps you can explain to the class what possible justification- what rational basis dis the states have in denying same sex couples the right to marry. Caution: I 've heard them all and they have all been kicked out of court.
     
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    Now here is something that certain people on this forum should consider……maybe you too are being manipulated

     
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    Homosexuals do have the same rights as heterosexuals. Always have.

    I don't remember the homosexual cake problem from 20 years ago.

    Sure it is, just like the global warming science is settled. You just don't get to shut down debate or silence opponents because you won one battle.

    Oh my God. How many times are homosexual supporters going to play the race card? Homosexual is not the same as black. You don't get to hijack the black civil rights movement based on the private sexual preferences in the bedroom. Isn't the point to get government out of the bedroom?

    Just because you are against homosexual marriage doesn't mean you are religious. Just because you are religious does not give someone the right to be bigoted against you because of you religious beliefs.

    Because that is exactly what you are proposing. Everyone must comply or face some kind of government sanctioned penalties.

    Forced to believe, or just simply forced to comply? You will not ever be able to force everyone to believe that homosexual marriage is moral or justifiable.
     
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    Oh please. Settle down! You're going to have a stroke. You sound more than a little hysterical and even delusional when you say that gays already have equal rights. Give me a break with that bigoted bovine excrement. Pull yourself together and realize that this is the new normal. Embrace it. You'll be happy and live longer. Anger and hate is not healthy.
     
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    The only hysterical and delusional bigotry and hate on display is that being leveled against people of faith.
     
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    Sure, people who are being forced to comply with Supreme Court decision which are against their religious beliefs are a bunch of bullies.

    That makes complete sense.
     
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    The Supreme Court rules on the law, not religious beliefs. This is a constitutional republic, not a theocracy . I 've tried to school you on that before but it appears to be hopeless.
     
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    And I think I may have mentioned that we have a First Amendment to you. In a constitutional republic, there are three different branches of government, each with their respective duties. Writing laws from the bench is not in the job description of a supreme court justice. That is supposed to be the duty of the legislature. Nobody is asking for a theocracy, we want the rule of law to be respected.
     
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    You complained that people are being forced to comply with Supreme Court decision which are against their religious beliefs . However, in this matter the court is not concerned with your religious beliefs. If you think that the court should uphold laws banning same sex marriage, and other discriminatory laws because of your religious beliefs, then you have a very strange idea of how the rule of law works.

    And again, YOU are not being forced to do anything. Your religious beliefs do not give you the right to discriminate. Your religious rights do not trump the rights of others

     
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    How? Because you can't discriminate anymore?

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    This is a secular nation, and a nation of laws. You are and always have been free to believe anything you wish. But those beliefs do not allow you to break the law.

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    Which is in no way affected by this ruling.
    I agree. And they didn't. The 14th amendment was written by congress 2 centuries ago.

    Which is what happened here.
     
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    That one sentence, "However, in this matter the court is not concerned with your religious beliefs" says it all. That they are not concerned is a great threat to the Constitution. The Constitution explicitly gives people the right to freedom of religion.

    With this ruling, people of faith are being forced to do something. They are being forced to enable, condone or facilitate the act of homosexual sin which is a sin for them to do. So in that regard, the government is insisting that they commit sins. I'm sure that has been explained to you in multiple ways and my multiple people. You just ignore over and over their feelings and opinions.

    If someone doesn't want to do something and you use the force of government to force them to comply, how is that not using force?

    If someone says that it is against their religion and they truly believe that in their heart, who are you to tell them they are wrong? That it is not against their religion?

    This is why people have been fighting against same sex marriage since the dumb idea started a few years ago. We predicted that people would be forced against their will by a tyrannical government and a politically correct society to abandon their faith or face penalties.
     
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    Because faith is now being portrayed as discriminatory and bigotry.

    Those beliefs were never against the law until now. Secular should mean that all faiths are welcome and not mean no faith is welcome.

    You just demonstrated why the First Amendment effects this ruling by stating that people don't have the First Amendment right to freely practice their religious beliefs.

    Well, 135 years ago, but it did not address, nor was it ever intended to address homosexual marriage. If you can read that into the Constitution from the words in the 14th Amendment, then there is no Constitution because you could literally interpret anything

    Absolutely not. The 10th Amendment was completely ignored as was the 1st Amemdment.
     
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    No, discrimination and bigotry are being shown to be discrimination and bigotry.


    This is a false framing. No beliefs are against the law.

    It does. It also means no religious laws are permitted.


    Dealt with this canard repeatedly. You can practice your beliefs all day long, you just can't break the law.


    "All persons" means all persons. "Equal protection" means equal protection. Simple stuff here.



    The 10th amendment doesn't apply here. And neither does the 1st. Marriage is a legal institution, religion is irrelevant to it.
     
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    This is all backwards, upside down and inside out. The victims of leftist bigotry are portrayed as the perpetrators of bigotry, the laws protecting freedom are being used to deny freedom and a form of dictatorship is slowly creeping into power and eating away at the civil society.

    Homosexuals were never forced to do what religious people are being compelled to do today. In other words, gays weren't being forced to do something that is against their beliefs, but have no problem with forcing other to do things against their beliefs.

    This is the tyranny that we've warned about with this type of social engineering and Constitutional nullification.
     
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    It's all demonstrable legal fact.

    Lol, one giant strawman.

    What are you forced to do?
    What are you forced to do?

    The 14th amendment doesn't nullify the constitution, lol
     
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    It all seems to boil down to one basic point that we can never get past. We are operating under two different definitions of religious freedom. You contend that it means that you can discriminate against others and that somehow you rights are of a higher order than the rights of others, perhaps because they are religious rights. I presented the argument that somewhere along the way, back when people were using the religious freedom argument to justify racial discrimination, the definition of religious freedom changed from being allowed to live and worship as you please free of fear and interference from the government or others religious.

    Now religious freedom is taking on a new meaning: the freedom and liberty of a believer apply their religious beliefs in order to hate, oppress, deny service to, denigrate, discriminate against, and/or reduce the human rights of minorities.

    The fact is that the direction of the oppression has reversed. It is now the believer who is the oppressor -- typically fundamentalist and evangelical Christians and other religious conservatives. I realize that you probably can't see that, and certainly won't acknowledge it due to your religious obsession and obvious bias against gays. Therefore it is really no use in continuing this.
     
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