Afghanistan: Nine women lashed for adultery

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nine women lashed for adultery by Taliban as Afghanistan returns to brutal sharia law

    The Taliban's supreme court spokesman revealed that nine women were among the 19 people lashed for adultery in the first major signs that the new government is again applying its strict interpretation of Islamic sharia law.

    Nine women lashed for 'adultery' by Taliban as Afghanistan returns to brutal sharia law - World News - Mirror Online, November 2022

    What I would be concerned about, some women in Afghanistan have been forced to marry against their will; and in some cases women who were raped instead get accused of adultery and punished because the local authorities are trying to protect the man so he will not be executed for rape (and in some cases perhaps to send a message to women that they shouldn't speak up).

    Since the U.S. pullout, the Taliban was able to take over the country again, wanting to implement sharia law, it hasn't been good for women's rights.

    related thread: Women's rights in Afghanistan have fallen off a cliff, everyone ignoring it (posted August 4, 2021 in the Current Events section)

    I personally feel like the fruits of former conservative president George Bush (Junior)'s 2001 invasion of Afghanistan (whether you agreed with it or not) has been flushed down the toilet. But I suppose that's a different discussion we could have somewhere else.
     
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    Both Iranian and Afghanistan women suffer under Muslim Shia or Sharia law.
    May Allah protect them
     
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    adultery should be a crime, as it's spousal abuse and puts them at risk of sexual transmitted diseases imo, male of female

    that said, jail, not this, maybe 30 days

    religious fanatics should never be in positions of power - theocracies are evil

    "Oklahoma GOP candidate: Stoning gays the 'right' thing to do"

    https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/gop-candidate-stone-gay-people-msna347586
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wait a minute. I thought the Left believes that this was "inevitable" and that there was nothing the U.S. or U.N. could have done to stop it.
    Make up your mind.

    You admit then that big government couldn't stop this and couldn't protect those women?
     
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    20 years of war did not stop it, what else you want us to do to stop these religious fanatics

    theocracies are evil
     
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    President George Bush (Junior)? The one who discovered Putin's soul?


    The one who accomplished his mission?


    We don't care much about human or women right, we care more about our business. If majority of Afghan believe in strict Sharia law, why our soldiers must die there to teach them our values? Women in Saudi Arabia have no more rights and our presidents go there to kiss Saudis ass - yes, Trump did it too.
    It is sad, but as ancient Russians say: c’est la vie!
     
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    Yes it did. The occupation almost entirely put a stop to it.

    Once American forces were gone, the Taliban came right back out with the whips.
     
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    If we had only stayed another 50 years or so, it would be a glittering democracy right? lol.

    The only fruit to be had in the invasion was showing there are consequences for messing with us and disrupting a major terrorist network. Then we should have left and gotten the same result with less waste.

    Sharia law is contemptible. I just don't think we can change them.
     
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    nope, just put it on hold, religious fanatics were there then, there now, when it ended Trump made a deal with the Taliban

    we could not afford another 20 years of war
     
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    I think you're 60% wrong. There was a war yes, but that war didn't really last 20 years. Maybe 4 to 6 years into it, that war had mostly died down and became more of just an occupation. There was barely any fighting, the Taliban was weak and knew it was fruitless to wage a fight. The Taliban only started taking over and becoming stronger when U.S. forces pulled out. You are sort of half right, when Trump began pulling out more it allowed the Taliban to start taking over more distant parts of the country and gaining more power. But the Taliban still would not have been able to take the capital Kabul, if the U.S. had just provided some air support. Once the Taliban was allowed to take Kabul, they were able to take over the entire country and become 20 times more powerful, within only half a year. Stopping the Taliban from taking the entire country at that point would have been like 20 or 40 times easier than trying to stop them now, if the U.S. had to start over from scratch and completely invade all over again.

    What this did prove is that Afghanistan was not ready for the U.S. to completely leave. I think if the U.S. had only just continued to keep 1500 soldiers there and continued to provide some moderate level of air support, that alone would have allowed the Afghani government to keep the Taliban at bay.

    On top of that, the Biden administration allowed large amounts of U.S. military equipment to fall into Taliban hands.

    There is no hope for those women now.
     
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    once Trump made the deal with the Taliban, he gave Afganatan back to them
     
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    Not accurate.
    Start another thread if you wish to discuss.
     
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    very accurate, you start another thread if you want
     
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    Trump had already made the deal and brought most of the troops home, Trump forgot about the civilians

    and Trump made a deal with the Taliban vs the Afghanistan government, Trump gave the Taliban Afganastan
     
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    Biden reversed many Trump policies and could have reversed the Afghanistan decisions too, but he did not. Instead, he chose to join in Trump's dishonor.
     
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    Biden wanted to end the war, what Trump did was done, all he could do is move forward
     
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    Nonsense. After 9/11 we began the destruction of the Taliban regime with fewer than 20 Americans. Don't tell me Biden could not have reversed course. He endorsed and followed through on Trump's dishonorable abandonment of those who put their faith in us.
     
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    Biden did not want to reescalate the war, the damage Trump had done was done, was time to move on

    I think Biden did the right thing, he ended the war
     
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    Biden and Trump dishonorably abandoned our allies who were still fighting for values we told them we shared.
    ". . . The meaning for the CIA, he said, lay in the fact that the Afghan commandos it had trained had conducted a fighting withdrawal to Kabul even after the Afghan Army had collapsed; the commandos had been the decisive factor in seizing the airport and holding its perimeter. Whereas the overall evacuation conducted by the U.S. government had been calamitous, the CIA had been able to get every one of these commandos, along with their families, out of Afghanistan. . . . "
    CIA Comrades Honor Mike Spann by Rescuing Afghan Allies

    Toby Harnden, RCP
     
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    20+ years is enough for a war that should have only lasted a few months
     
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    We've been in Germany for 77 years, in Korea for 72.
     
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    not anything like Afghanistan and Iraq were
     
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    Similar enough. Two points: After 9/11 you heard references to "the Long War," meaning a generational conflict to support freedom against Islamist tyranny and aggression. And keep in mind that KIA for Iraq and Afghanistan combined were less than one tenth of Vietnam. Every death is a tragedy, but the cost was bearable.
     
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    wasn't worth it, we heard that the Iraq war would be easy and pay for itself
     
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